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The usual brigader downvoting MGTOW posts

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January 28, 2018

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Title	The usual brigader downvoting MGTOW posts
Author	sopun
Upvotes	1095
Comments	148
Date	January 28, 2018 8:46 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/7tmyzy/the_usual_brigader_downvoting_mgtow_posts/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MGTOW/the-usual-brigader-downvoting-mgtow-posts.600789 https://theredarchive.com/post/600789

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[–]TheToadShroom 243 points244 points245 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

I'm giving 0 fucks today so why not.

These types of feminists aren't the ones brigading or making splashes where it matters - It's the opposite. It's the super thots that went to a ivy league school with mommy and daddy's money while getting banged as a cheerleader from every Chad that came running to her.

4 years of that in highschool and the insane ego drive from the attention of beta cucks hanging on to every word she says in desperation to fuck her PLUS the validations of teachers and Chad dick made her think her opinion mattered to others.

And so these spoiled cunts become doctors and lawyers and psychologists and use that clout to jam their "opinions" down our throats. Now instead of beta arbiter geeks and nerds like she had in highschool, she has the white knights in congress drooling over them.

Rant over. Had to get that off my chest.

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Can confirm. My mother got a law degree at one point and was an attorney for 5 years.. until she got fired and disbarred for being drunk at the office numerous times and drunk in court.

She went to law school while I was raised by other kids in my shitty apartment building. My father was a typical dumbass fake alpha who would just get drunk and violent to solve his problems so he was in jail a lot in my childhood.. then mom kicked him out but still forced me to see him (free babysitting for her) even though he was violent and trained me to be subservient and beta minded through the bearings and berating.

The types of women who aim for an attorney job are usually power hungry and get a thrill out of fucking people over for life (revenge fantasy from abusive ex’s whose abuse they craved). Lots of them are alcoholics and drug addicts too.

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I'm working my way to university, my parents are too poor to financially support me and my loan isn't enough so I work at low paying McDonald's while looking for a better job WHILE juggling college. Yeah I'm your demographic alright.

Beware the downvote, but I'LL speak my mind. You have some serious issues, generalising an entire sex for most of your guy's problems. Your so fixated on marriage, but I know so many people, including my parents, who are happily married. Also who cares about marriage anyway? If you don't want to get married, don't get married, but don't go thinking your superior to men who want to.

Women aren't the cause of every problem on earth. You can't just categorise people into 'beta males', 'cucks', 'thots' and so forth. It dehumanises them, when we're all human beings with, you know, emotions and different opinions. The world doesn't exist to cater to you, if you can't get a girlfriend it might be because of your attitudes toward them rather than 'the system'.

You don't seem happy at all, to be honest. You're filled with envy and anger and it's made you a toxic person. If anything I wish the best for you. Please overcome this prejudice, focus on your hobbies and goals and bettering your mentality and judgement on people.

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Natural selection has failed.

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I stuffed mine in the bank. I probably paid bills with it for all I remember.

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It's more mainstream being nameless, than it is with the 'mgtow' label.

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Ah yes, the typical go-to statement to devalue and shame a man's opinions tempered by experience.

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That's a desperate over-reach if ever I've seen one.

Hardly.

I described physicality, you described behavior. Your story reinforces the good looks hypothesis - despite behaving in an unattractive manner, a woman went out of her way to fuck you. She then introduced you to other women, who also wanted to fuck you.

You made no mention of any behavior change preceding the fucking - just that she introduced you to these women. You then became more confident as you realized women wanted to fuck you.

It is telling that your comeback isn't "I'm extremely short" or "Im fat" or "I have bad acne." Your "counterpoint" was that you were "anti-social." There's nothing preventing attractive people from being anti-social. The only impediment to it is that people will seek them out...which is exactly what occurred in your case.

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[–]Pellaeon_redpill4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So you're saying I'm some handsome, muscly nerd? or at least was?

I didn't say muscly, I said good looking. My guess would be tall, lean, with a full set of hair, and skin clear of acne. A lot of guys tend to underestimate how big of a factor being tall is.

And it wasn't like that at all, I had to work at it incredibly hard doing really awkward and stupid shit like practicing smiling, correcting my posture, holding eye contact.... etc.

Now this is starting to look like an actual argument. Did she just correct basic body language or did she teach you something less obvious, like breaking rapport early?

You do realize most women don't give a fuck about looks, right?

This has been actively disproven in many ways, one of them being the "looks" video in the "about this community" post for this subreddit. Now I can agree that looks aren't the end all be all that the video makes it out to be, and you can compensate for lackluster looks with tighter game, but that doesn't mean they play no part.

What's your point?

My point is that you haven't cited anything about your looks that disproves my inference. You keep focusing on behavioral cues. Most of the guys I've met who struggled with women tend to have a hang up on at least one physical thing that they felt self-conscious about, and that they blamed their lack of failure on.

The fact that you have yet to refer to a single shortcoming in the looks department reinforces the notion that you might not have one to be self-conscious about.

Again please note that she absolutely did NOT want to be in any sort of relationship with me at any time, ever

Alpha fucks, beta bucks. This reinforces the idea that it was your looks she was after. Women have higher standards for uncommitted sex than they do sex in a relationship (if you want, I can dig around and find the academic studies that support this claim). Your lack of social skills would definitely prevent her wanting a relationship, but it would not prevent her from wanting to bang a good looking guy.

Again, your argument is that I was attractive but didn't know it?

Yes.

I have a friend who thinks he's not attractive - he's over six foot tall with a full set of hair, clear skin, a very masculine jaw, and a lean athletic build (not "muscly" mind you, but fit). He lost his virginity when he walked up to random girl in the mall, said something silly, and walked away. Then she called him back over by telling him he had a "cute butt," and lied to him about being over 18 so she could fuck him.

I have done the same thing hundreds of times, with the same level of confidence, and never had a girl call me back like that. While I am on the taller side, at least average height, I am also obese, bald, have acne scars, and even light acne as an adult.

With that being said, I have gone on dates with women much more attractive than me, who should have been "out of my lesgue"," so I do have a good sense of what is required to compensate for a lack of looks.

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I'm about , in your system, 5'6 , maybe 5'7 That's about average at best.

That's fair, I can agree on that point. But again, that's only the height factor. I gave you several factors for myself which don't outright identify me, same with my friend.

your entire argument is that I'm secretly handsome..

No, I've made several logical arguments. You have mainly just dismissed them by mischaracterizing them, and laughing at them, while failing to address the underlying arguments that you've ridiculed.

What women say and do are different things. Obviously.

Correct. And all the evidence I referred to have been based on observations of women's actions, not their words.

you don't "disprove" inferences. They are unfalsifiable hypothesis.

Incorrect. We've already established that they are perfectly falsifiable. I inferred that you were tall, and you explained that you were only 5'6"-5'7". I then agreed that I wouldn't consider that tall. Thus, you have shown that particular hypothesis false.

If you spent more time addressing the actual arguments, and less time on emotional rhetoric, you might actually get me to concede that I was wrong. Instead, however, the intensity of your defensiveness, and the fact that you avoid most of my arguments, leads me to believe more strongly that I am more correct than I am wrong.

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where have all the good men gone?

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making yourself a slave to the business owners and the government that enforces their control?

Literally WHERE in this post do you see any sentiment of that sort being made? I presume you're referring to the "Capitalism has failed" part, which means that you have no idea what you are talking about. Whether you live in a capitalist or communist society or a totalitarian dictatorship, you are a slave to the government regardless. At least capitalism keeps governments and businesses at each other's throats while maintaining the freedom of its people to make as much or as little profit as they themselves want. What choice do you have under any other regime, exactly?

men conforming to traditionalist social standards and trying to impose them on others;

LMFAO telling a mentally ill retard that they speak like mentally ill retards isn't "conforming" or "traditional", moron. It's called "having a normal functioning brain that recognizes biological attributes such as gender". For someone who seems so outraged, you sure are dependent on labels. Why does it bother you so much that you can't invent your own gender or sexuality or persuade anybody else to pretend as if your fake labels actually exist?

literally disparaging a man for choosing his own identity and going his own way

Calling yourself a special snowflake to differentiate yourself from the rest of the crowd is not "going your own way", hate to break it to you bitch. Going your own way = abandoning society and women. That doesn't mean you have an excuse to invent a new gender and create a fake label for yourself. You seem desperate to avoid accepting yourself for who you really are. I'm sorry you're such a bleak dismal failure at life that not even you can stand to look at yourself in the mirror.

traditionalist standards of success

You mean slavery? Yeah, nothing in this post, this sub, or this picture advocates enslaving men for women's comfort and luxury, SORRY!

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Why do some users mix mgtow and politics? What's exactly your problem?

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This is pure nonsense. Somebody talks about big brother then comes here to bash who does not think like he wants them to do like if it's some football match. I thought mgtow was about opting out and becoming monk and stuff, really I don't know anymore what kind of people hang around here. And yet, I'm very very far from many points in that picture and still I live mgtow, probably have been for more years than many of you.

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You don't think that governments are moving towards an authoritarian state everywhere? You think these concepts are fantasy? There is a massive difference between being critical of others and a state that wants to tax you simply because you are not married. I never introduced an affirmative action, the state did. I never overspent on unproductive female benefits programs, the state did. The state robbed men to elevate women and it failed. Now you might think these things are pure nonsense because you haven't read into any of this, well that's ok you have time to work on it.
Also, there is no official prescription of the mgtow lifestyle. But men who think like we do tend to statistically follow a similar pattern of behavior. We are en mass, individualists and have libertarian tendencies. Honestly, the points I made are at worst arguable and at best spot on; far from nonsense.

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pro capitalist propaganda bias

LOL.

Yes, facts = "pro capitalist propaganda bias"

Tell me more comrade..... what I was stating was nearly verbatim in the communist manifesto and constantly reinforced in Lenin's regime, get fucked commie. Learn your own history.

how communism is bad just for having a strong mainly MEN GOVERNMENT?

That is the most retarded question I've read in months.

Communism was bad because it subjugated men and sent them to their deaths on a grand scale. Throwing men at bullets was one of the most common tactics in the Soviet union.... men were drones for the factories.

Feminism derives greatly from marxist theory. How the fuck could you possibly argue that communism is in any way contradictory to feminism?

You are a straight up commie YOU are spreading propaganda.... fool.

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what I was stating was nearly verbatim in the communist manifesto

could you please copy and paste then? or at leas a link?

reinforced in Lenin's regime, get fucked commie. Learn your own history.

i know something about russian history. But that's not final communism, as USA is not final capitalism. There is not final communism or capitalism, there are governments following a system who they think it's better (or better for them).

Which is the best system for me?

I go my fucking way, so i'm an anarchist, a libertarian socialist.

But what i said about MGTOW is there is not a true economical system for MGTOW, you can be a capitalist mgtow, i can be anarchist, another person can be a communist. It doesn't matter.

So i asked to stop using mgtow as a anti socialist propaganda. It's not about that.

Do you want to debate about socialeconomic systems? ok, there are plenty of subs for that.

The way i think it is, is that under a capitalist system, corporations are in control (corporation are vertical organizations with no elections ... or can you, as a worker, choose your CEO?), those corporations think that what's best is to go under a Feminist way. Thats why they have rules and pussypass for women while enslaving men.

BUT, under communism you have pretty much the same. That system is ruled by burocrats, which is (as corporations are) a vertical organization.... so, it's the same problem.

I'm not saying there is a best system, i just say to let people have their own opinion because it has nothing to do with mgtow.

you can be socialist and mgtow.

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