How MGTOW is viewed by TRP

tracker2208 · 2015-07-01T02:55:45+00:00

I see a shit ton of overlap between the 2. TRP does focus on sexual relationships, but in a way where women's typical tricks and traps aren't effective. I've come to realize the problem is to get the most love and devotion out of a woman you really have to not give a fuck about her. And it matches my experiences, the more devoted and attached I was to a girl the worse off I was. It's just so stupid.

However TRP is a pretty bit sub, almost 120K subscribers at the moment. There's bound to be some dumbasses. "MGTOW is code for coward" is one of the more stupid things on there. That has gynocentric pussy worship written all over it.

ancap-biochemist · 2015-07-01T00:36:56+00:00

TRP is not about running from danger... Well... Good luck with that.

Libido tends to decline with age, and cooler heads tend to prevail.

This is why I would ask; "how do you define winning?"

If winning is just giving women the tingles, then getting your dick wet, then, well, different strokes for different folks.

The cost of a marriage is perhaps in the 100s of thousands of dollars. The cost of a weekly escort for 20 years is also in the 10s to 100s of thousands of dollars. The cost of condoms and dating-not-dating for random hook-ups, maybe a few thousand dollars. The cost of a good wank now and then - free.

I have a different win condition for my life, but it doesn't concern me that other people have their own win conditions for their lives. Some people consider it a winning move to seek wanton danger.

I wouldn't worry about it too much if I were you. They're just trying to carry out their biological programing. They might occasionally try to shame you into joining them in the pursuit, and put on sententious airs, but, fundamentally, it is the shameful that employ shame as a motivator. Doesn't it strike you as curious that they (knowing nothing about you) will hurl insults (calling you a coward)?

Why do you think they do that?

Let me put it to you another way:

If I thought the most revolting thing in the world was the smell of... sage leaf... I mean, worse than shit... and furthermore, I thought it was the worst, most immoral, thing to have anything to do with that "foul" smelling substance (again, worse than shit, in this hypothetical)... then, if I called you a "sage"... You dirty sage... Then, whose preferences am I indicating? What insecurities, what moral standards of plant growth, etc. am I showing you?

They are saying that shame is effective... against them. They're saying that (like Marty McFly) calling them chicken is how you push their buttons.

Again, don't worry too much about it. They're just doing what they think is best.

opalweapon · 2015-06-30T23:46:02+00:00

MGTOW is code for coward.

Am I a "coward" for not wanting to play Russian Roulette with a revolver that has 5 out of 6 of its chambers loaded?

PartlyMe · 2015-07-01T00:16:24+00:00

"The confrontation" can only be won in very very limited terms and with guaranteed hassle and serious risks attached. I don't consider it a 'win' to dedicate a significant portion of my life and efforts towards moulding myself specifically in ways that appeal to women, just to get poon.

Some trpers assert that what they're doing is improving themselves primarily and that women are attracted to the results of that. I'm sure that's true for some, but for the vast majority of contributors to that sub, it's all about the poonani. Period.

There are several very rational voices on that sub and within trp-land in general. The muppets that are still insecure enough in their own life direction that they feel the need to attempt mockery of mgtow are so transparently defensive one wonders what they fear so much...? I think the answer is they fear they might be wrong to devote so much of their lives to chasing what is very rarely more than just ass (stole "just ass" from Paul Proteus ).

I read the FRs (field reports) on that sub when I need a good laugh. There are some very sharp minds wasting a significant amount of energy in working the game, spinning plates and putting up with ridiculous amounts of women's bullshit in order to do so. Good luck to them.

Really, the smarter trpers do not have any contempt for mgtow at all. They respect the choice even if they disagree with it. It's called being mature and not overly-identifying with your own opinions in a bigoted fashion.

jamesdavid73 · 2015-07-01T01:31:31+00:00

Who really cares what others think, the point of MGTOW is to look inward and not care how others view you. Inner peace is whats needed and its futile to live how others think you should. The point of MGTOW online is to spread the word, not to bash other people. Remember MGTOW has no single leader, we are all leaders so lets lead the way. Have a good one my brothers.

firstpitchthrow · 2015-07-01T02:10:25+00:00

Quick thought: I am partial to both communities. I try to incorporate RP in my life. My focus is on getting better. Always be the best version of yourself that you can be.

MGTOW and RP are two different approaches to the same issue. As Morpheus said "what is the Matrix? Control." MGTOW and RP are both trying to take control back for men from the matrix. MGTOW has decided to avoid playing by the same rules as the feminine matrix, RP is trying to find and exploit all the glitches in the system. Its two ways of attacking the same thing.

Here's my problem: its possible to screw both up. Its possible to be MGTOW and do absolutely nothing interesting with your life. To sleep on your couch, eat cheetos and jack off all day. I consider that life wasted, and I don't believe most of the people on this sub live anything like that. Go your own way, but remember, now that you have chosen that, you need to know what your own way is.

That's why so many will fight to protect the system. They do not know what their own way is, and at least in the system, the direction is provided for them. They aren't ready to take control. Its scary, its risky, what if people laugh at me? If you give up control to the system, and your life sucks, you can blame the system, if you take control, and your life sucks, you have no one to blame but you.

Either extreme is dangerous, IMHO. Being the guy who goes his own way, but is a loser, or being the guy whose pure RP, a degenerate asshole who bangs broads every night. Either existence is empty, for me at least. In the one case, your life is dedicated to nothing but sloth, in the other case, your life is dedicated to nothing but empty pussy. Both cases are the fringe, and non-representative of the whole, but both cases are the brush society paints the entire whole with. Neither interpretation is fair.

For my life, I try to improve something about myself every single day. I want to be the man who is the best version of myself. I want to be the man who is cultured, who lifts and is strong, who saves his money, invests wisely and who can travel when he wants to (still working on that for medical reasons). I want to be the man who can take women, or leave them alone, but knows he is worth too much to ever make a committment to anyone. I want to be the guy who reads everything he can find, who finds time to write novels and poetry and to meditate (I love to write and meditation has been an eye opening experience for me). I want to explore life. I only get one go at this world, and I want to know as much as I can before it is my turn to check out.

I am not that man I described above yet. That is who I want to be, and that is who I am working towards. Make small improvements, each day, make tiny changes each week or each month. Improve a tiny bit a piece at a time and let it build over time. That is "my own way" to me. I would not have found my path without the RP, and I would not have known it was a path I could travel with a woman or without (i.e. they're optional) without MGTOW. I owe something to both, and I see no inherent contradiction.

Panthers86 · 2015-07-01T00:35:10+00:00

I'd say as MGTOWs, we are more courageous than red pillers. We go against society's expectation that we will marry, have kids and devote our lives to a family. Also, we don't go chasing pussy the way men are expected to do. We are more free and independent than red pillers will ever be.

Nihilore · 2015-07-01T00:13:33+00:00

Who cares what they think?

SoullessTechnocrat · 2015-07-01T03:50:30+00:00

Umm. I don't give a damn? They're about sex; which is a debasement. Let them wallow in filth. When they go to the clinic and find they have something that'll never go away; I'll be laughing.

oldredder · 2015-07-01T03:41:32+00:00

TRP is about going from a subjugated slave to a slave with benefits. They're still slaves the same bullshit tap of pussy and spend their lives trying to figure out how to get it and control it rather than breaking their dependence on it.

I could get laid if I wanted. I've had ONSs. It's not that fucking hard if you make decent money. You look half decent and have basic social skills and go to a club and bullshit with some idiots and get more physical then make out then sometimes if they don't have conflicts then you go home with them. Big fucking woop. Anyone with some money and a couple spare nights and a little luck could do it. Subjugating women no doubt is a much longer process, but it's so much work to still be ultimately tied to the same source that will fuck you over in creative new ways.

Just cut your dependency. Then if you really want to, then have sex or do what you want, but don't be a fucking slave to it and control your own damn time, wallet and mind.

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2015-07-01T04:27:19+00:00

I was going to say it was probably a post from a 17 year old type...

But apparently it's a 30-something divorcee who was essentially blue-pill and cheated on by his wife, got VERY angry/distraught over it, and who still seems to have not fully learned the real lesson, as he is still basically obsessed with both pussy and notch count (and apparently draws a LOT of his self-esteem from that).

Oh and -- based on his submission history -- "winning the confrontation" for him seems to be not just getting ONS pussy, but fucking other men's wives (who he claims to know are then also cheating with others as well); there's probably some kind of a weird neurotic hamster "revenge" thing going on there (i.e. by being a part of affairs that are screwing up other marriages, internally he feels he's somehow "rebalancing" his own cuckolding).

Basically if you cut this guy's dick off (and/or as he ages and has a bit more difficulty with keeping up his notch count); he would probably crumple into a little pile of piss... because his entire being is wrapped up inside of a condom: the dick (or actually "pussy") is more or less still running his life, his brain is simply subservient to it.

Not surprising really... the same is true of most TRP'ers.

So, yeah... you pretty much nailed it with your description of him.

scarredlife · 2015-07-01T10:04:52+00:00

I'm saying all the time that many TRP casanovas hate us mgtows just because we don't put our necks on the line for women.

Yet there are some fucknuggets in here who insist that we're friends and bros with the trp guys and should exchange warm milk and blowjobs. Don't be like that.

paracog · 2015-07-01T02:03:16+00:00

This is supposed to matter to a MGTOW? Why?

RationalistFaith1 · 2015-07-01T08:46:25+00:00

That person is projecting hard. MGTOW and its demand to tame the sex and gynocentric validation scheme is the most UN-coward battle a man can overtake, EVER!

I wouldn't be surprised a woman wrote that, then again PUA crowd spend so much time thinking about clams, they too develop a hamstupid and I observe that it has taken over its host! Excellent Exhibit and study of PUA stupidity.

sweatynut · 2015-07-01T04:10:15+00:00

TRP is how to win against the system.

MGTOW is saying fuck the system and finding fulfillment in life.

sardinemanR · 2015-07-01T20:25:52+00:00

just go lift braah, I'm sooooo alllpha and here are my lessons learned.

My opinion of TRP is the mods ruined some really good discussion over there by banning anyone who challenged a mod or vetted contributor. The vetted contributor will complain to mods, rather than debate, and then you're banned.

DarkestJ · 2015-07-02T03:24:25+00:00

This TRP overlap is getting ridiculous. Those pussy-worshipping betas are worse than the blue pill guys generally. They use women solely for validation and do everything they can to appease them indirectly while shouting shit like "HOLD FRAME!!!1!" and pretending it's something vastly superior than any other PUA degenerates.

You want to spend your time chasing girls, be my guest. As a MGTOW, I give zero fucks about what any man does with his spare time. But when you cross the line into blatant douchebaggery like that ass-clown, you can't expect to not be called out. Recent breeds of TRP'ers are AIDS.

oldredder · 2015-07-02T03:43:39+00:00

Ignore TRP.

I stopped reading it several times and I haven't looked in a week or two.

It's run by children and almost 10 entire actual adult men actually write there ever who have real experience with women - how to handle them to get sex and/or to keep them from fucking up your life.

That's a shit-ton of garbage posting and garbage-reading to find just those 10. I'm one of those 10 and refuse to waste more time on the children.

reasonbeing9 · 2015-07-01T01:53:48+00:00

Seriously, why are MGTOW, TRP (what the F does that stand for, I take it it has something to do with PUAs) and MRA's fighting with each other? It's like Catholics and Protestants fighting with each other. Why don't you all just get over it and work together to make REAL change?

To you point specifically, both MGTOW and TRA have good points. The way I see it is that MGTOW is basically the FOUNDATION of game: you have to actually not care AT ALL if women like you, etc. and be totally willing to just walk away from all of it. With that as the foundation, why wouldn't you want to learn how to get more out of the interactions that you DO have with women?

Stop worrying about the labels and "doctrines" guys, and focus on the main core similarities that all these groups have with each other, when compared with the rest of society.

Specter_1 · 2015-07-01T06:04:03+00:00

This video by Messenger Rising is the response I have anytime someone calls MGTOW cowards. https://youtu.be/wMN_stY9x1M

BleauGumms · 2015-07-01T15:17:24+00:00

I consider it removing yourself from danger. Just like in North Carolina, there are people being bitten by sharks. A MGTOW'er would look at that fact and merely not go swimming.

oldredder · 2015-07-02T00:07:59+00:00

The funny thing is calling someone a coward for not having the same addiction as you, in the RP case it's women. "That guys a coward for not smoking, its about smoking cigarettes and courageously facing the danger, coming out on top. ". It takes a real man to live up to my two pack a day habit.

TheQuestion78 · 2015-07-03T22:06:06+00:00

Male hamster going on. TRP claims to not put pussy on the pedestal but some TRPers make comments like this which reinforce the fact that they put pussy on a pedestal because they tie their self-worth to how many women they bang or how many plates they spin. MGTOW isn't cowardly it is being like "hey getting laid isn't that valuable to me so...I'm not playing this game". Hell, even some MGTOW still get laid because they manage a lifestyle where they can go their own way while having some side action.

Recently I thought of it like this: Let's say a TRPer and a MGTOW are writing a book about their lives. The TRPer's book would highlight his "playboy" lifestyle as a major victorious event in his life. Meanwhile, the MGTOW could have as well lived this same sort of lifestyle but this aspect of his life would merely be written off as a small side event to his life while his book's major events would be about some of the awesome things he did in his life (ie traveling, creating a business, going on an adventure, etc.). MGTOW and TRP place their importance on totally different things which is why you get a comment like this from an (at least I think) insecure TRPer.

ShitfacedBatman · 2015-07-01T06:34:31+00:00

I dunno, I tend to think there's something to be learned from the entire manosphere spectrum - MGTOW to PUA. Some of it's gold and some of it's dumb. Depends who you are and what you want to do with your life.

"But mah gayme is so tight, bruh! The bitches all want to gobble my nob!1111 Go approach 10000000 women"

This is the main thing that bothers me about Seddit, RP, and PUA. The zero filter thing. I remember back in college.... there was this one guy who was really handsome and wicked-popular with the girls. He would literally hang out on the lawn in front of the dorm and "pretend-study." And every goddamn single girl that walked by he would say, "Hi! My name is Brian, I don't believe I've met you!" Three years later my sister says to me, "Hey do you remember that guy Brian?" I go: "Yeah...." She goes: "Did you know he's gay?" I paused and then said, "No, but.... good!"

Approach-robots - hello, how does this not boldly proclaim polar-opposing-insecurity-compensation??? And to think POIC was a term popularized by a PUA guru who somewhat preaches approach-roboting.

If you're an approach-robot, you're likely transparent as fuck, coming across as a filterless dog, and hell you might even be GAY, as one redditor suspected about Owen Cook (RSD) 7 months ago.

I explore game on the side, and I don't care if I full-on shart my drawers when approaching a beautiful woman. It is what it is - I'm not going to approach a zillion women just to come home with my undies still white. Fuckit. And actually these days I wear black underwear and black pants. I know what I'm doing. Matter of fact, if you don't shart or have a fear of sharting, how in the hell would you be able to measure whether you're approaching the right girl?

As Batman, I insist on being classy and not being a filterless dog.

chinawinsworlds · 2015-07-01T01:37:37+00:00

Man, this is one of the times where it's weird to be a part of both TRP and MGTOW. I just like the wisdom of both, but I suppose in practice I lean more towards TRP. No offense of course.

weirdnamedindian · 2015-07-01T05:22:07+00:00

I subsribe to both MGTOW and the RedPill because I see both as complimentary. RedPill is first and foremost a sexual strategy. It's to teach men the truth about women and what they need to do to have sex with them. The RedPiller can then move beyond sex, having understood it and master other aspects of his life like his job and other pursuits. One of them can eventually be MGTOW. Afterall, the RedPill is about a man finally trying to understand who he is and what he wants from his life. And some RedPill men can decide that women are a serious hassle and he would logically decide they are not worth getting his dick wet for.

I think if MGTOW is being used by ForeverAlone men or Beta males, it might be a case of cowardice as MGTOW, in my opinion, should come after you've atleast played the Game a bit and understood the true nature of women. Basically, MGTOW is something to go for after you've swallowed the RedPill and not before.

qemist · 2015-07-01T12:48:26+00:00

SouthAfricanGiant · 2015-07-09T08:09:29+00:00

I live most of my life MGTOW but when I feel like having sexual contact I use some RP stuff to get the job done.

2015-07-14T00:54:40+00:00

There is a significant difference between the content of TRP and married TRP. A good portion of the former are concerned solely with getting laid, while a sizeable portion of the latter are concerned with improving their lives, becoming better men, and enjoying life--it the wife wants to follow, great.

Goldfulgore · 2015-07-01T13:51:18+00:00

Focus on the similarities instead of the differences. Both subs are fully aware of what females are capable of.

Cashews4U · 2015-07-01T00:25:03+00:00

While that OP was wrong, this sub does treat every woman like a disease. Like anyone you hook up with will keep the condom and claim rape 10/10 times. When the attitude is like this don't expect people not to say shit about it. Besides, we are all on the same team.

Title	How MGTOW is viewed by TRP
Author	aptway
Upvotes	39
Comments	111
Date	June 30, 2015 11:38 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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