Princess Syndrome: Why Aren't Guys Investing More in Online Dates?

Five_Decades · 2016-05-23T22:45:38+00:00

The real answer, which the author will never figure out, is that due to social media and online dating many of today's women have become extremely flaky, demanding and fickle and as a result are not worth any kind of investment (timewise, financial or emotional) until they prove they are above those kinds of negative character traits. Men are smart, they don't want to invest time, money or emotions in a flake or a user. Lots of women nowadays just like the validation and will make plans, then cancel at the last minute. Any guy who constantly makes reservations at a $100 restaurant just so he can sit there alone because some flake was using him for validation is a chump if he doesn't learn his lesson after the first or second blowoff.

Also because these women are deluged with options, they try to date far above their weight class which means that if you are a woman and a 6, you shouldn't be surprised that a man who is an 8.5 has no interest in 'woo-ing' you. Why would he, he is dating down and if anything she should be woo-ing him. If you want a guy to woo you, find a guy in or below your league. You can't have the best of all worlds. You can have guys above your league, or you can have guys who woo you and are devoted to you (because you are the best option those men have). Pick one, you can't have both.

Thats the real answer, but they'll never figure it out. There are so many dysfunctional women today that men need a low investment probationary period just to verify if the woman is worth investing in and investing with.

By all means, demand that every guy make a massive investment of time, energy and money in you on a first date before they know if they are dealing with a narcissistic flake or a 49er (a woman who is a 4 who thinks she is a 9) or not. All that'll do is drive away the men with self esteem and life experience. You can keep the rest, let the flakes and narcissistic women screw them over and then we can invite them to go MGTOW after the frustration becomes too much to bear.

Mgtowredpillonroids · 2016-05-23T22:41:02+00:00

I grew up hearing tales of men who tried super hard to impress a woman on a first date: putting on a nice outfit, bringing her flowers, taking her to the best restaurant in town. These stories implied the guys wanted to pull out all the stops to show they were worthy of a woman’s time and attention. So what changed?

After decades of demanding men treat us as equals, why don't they put us on a pedestal anymore?!

flamethrowup · 2016-05-24T01:27:48+00:00

What's that saying again? Ah, yes: "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."

Teflon0819 · 2016-05-23T23:38:55+00:00

The whole article is basically one big rant wondering why men aren't as subservient to women as they used to be.

"Why isn't he going out of his way to facilitate my schedule? Why is he not willing to lavishly spend money on me right off the bat? Why does it seem like I'm the one that has to prove myself worthy of his time?"

Princess feels like men aren't treating her like a princess anymore and it bothers her.

lauranium · 2016-05-24T00:04:13+00:00

The thing is, dating is for attractive people, in my opinion. The vast majority of women are after tall men, some of whom are handsome/sexy/hot, who've got a lot of options of all kinds of women 7/10 and above on the looks scale. There are more attractive women than there are attractive men and all these women want the 20%. To confound things further, these women want a successful man who makes money and/or has status. All the other men realize how tiresome and annoying date is, a complete hassle and a waste of time, money, and energy, while others drop out entirely. Some permanently reject relationships altogether.

Most men are average height, average looking, and make average amounts of money but the women at or below his level are incredibly entitled and difficult to deal with. It seems that most men are actually dating below their league; a man who is a 7 is looking for/dating 5s because the women who are 7s and above are incredibly difficult to attract and please. So why should the average guy bother? The juice isn't worth the squeeze.

mgtowguynow · 2016-05-23T22:28:11+00:00

Because, delusional twat, men only invest effort in what they determine to be worth it and you don't quite fit the bill.

I'd rather take a hammer to my nuts than do online dating again.

flamethrowup · 2016-05-24T01:56:39+00:00

A few days later, I came across another guy on the app whose profile read, “Please know that our first meeting will be over coffee or tea only.” Huh?

Coffee or tea for a first date should be so standard that this is left unsaid. Any woman who pitches a fit over such reasonable terms is a gold digger, because she sure as hell doesn't plan on paying her half for that expensive dinner date she's pressuring you into.

Okieant33 · 2016-05-23T23:35:41+00:00

Asking a woman why guys act like this instead of a man. Makes sense

2016-05-23T22:11:08+00:00

Why should I waste my time and energy feeding the ego of some slut online? Don't forget those unread counts makes them think they're special and in demand.

jezzzaa · 2016-05-24T06:28:41+00:00

Hard for me to comment as I haven't been on a conventional date for nearly a decade. But speaking from the filthy gutters of the Tinder/KiK dating world, a lot of it rings true. Little princess is out there itching to get fucked, but still want the whole compliment of bullshit first before she opens her legs.

I remember meeting a Dutch girl on Tinder a few years ago. Sex at the end of our first date was such a done deal that we agreed beforehand that she'll be getting a wax, no condoms for blowjobs and if the condom happen to slip off during sex, I can keep going but pull out just before I start 'singing'. Maybe it's a Dutch colloquialism that doesn't translate well, I don't know. We even decided that we'll be going back to her place before we get too drunk so I can drive, etc. So, planned with precision and 'guarantee'.

Haha, famous last words. She spend the whole night bitching about 'men' and how they get more prize money in tennis tournaments than women. She then said, and this is 110% true, that if I don't buy her a bottle of red wine she won't sleep with me. She also moaned that she was hungry and that I had to get her some dinner otherwise she'll be sick when I get back to her place and sex won't happen unless I 'rape' her. I mean, WTF?? At this point I sensed that I'm either being Punk'd or set up for something worse and bailed while she was in the Ladies.

Long storey short, after her initial anger and then apologies, she started sending me naked photos of herself and even a short video to show me what was 'waiting' for me if only I'd be willing to come out to see her.

Number = blocked

Never heard from her again.

Women, crazy crazy fuckers.

BukM1 · 2016-05-24T00:00:18+00:00

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oldredder · 2016-05-23T22:24:25+00:00

Because dinner and cocktails are expensive.. The most expensive thing at Starbucks is about $5, and let's see them throw back 5 of them like they do martinis.

I've only been on two dinner dates.. Didn't get laid ethier time

LanceMH · 2016-05-24T03:30:27+00:00

How the tables have turned. Princess's don't understand that men are highly adaptable. Once one finds a chink in the armor. Other men flood in to plunder.

2016-05-24T04:39:00+00:00

Her advice is hilarious. Make the rules: yeah that's a great first impression. Demanding, pushy and hard to please is all i'm picking up here. Stop Emailing and Texting: Allrightythen..Too busy to respond to my txts then are we? Making the rules again huh? Fuck that, i'm out. Value Yourself: When don't women value themselves? As if there isn't enough narcissistic female crazy in the online dating world already..that's your advice!? Lady..you're already a hard-to-please, annoying pain in the ass and we haven't even met yet! Fuck this shit..i'm out.

JacksterTrackster · 2016-05-24T07:09:21+00:00

I had to stop reading after she mentioned the guy who only wanted to have a cup of coffee on the first date. Really? What's wrong with that? You want to go to some 5 Michelin Restaurant? Fuck you!

BukM1 · 2016-05-24T09:29:54+00:00

Lol this was inevitable and will become far worse for women as time moves forward.

Let me break down some truths bob kelso style.

Women tend to put security and commitment as a higher priority in partner choice, men tend to put physical attractiveness and health/aesthetics as a higher priority. (this is biologically hardwired due to the disparity of egg sperm mechanics).

A constant pool of flakey interchangeable partners who can change and seek new companions easily via social media or other methods are of course going to be more advantageous to men than women.

A man can immediately know and identify if a women is physically attractive to him or not and worth pursuing a sexual relationship with, a woman will not know the character and dependability of someone from first inspection but instead only over time.

The problem is that for women, their desire for security and commitment has been lost because a man now has greater choice and options so loses the need to invest and commit since his needs are satisfied more so than an equivalent womens.

Women have always used their desirability as a commodity of mutual exchange, the problem (for them) is that in the modern world their competitors (other women) are far more contactable and so they lose their bargaining power, as greater market access means they(a single woman) no longer hold the market share they used to have.

Men are used to relying on themselves, they are brought up and expected from childhood to be independent and not rely on anyone for anything, to fight the good fight against the odds, through adversity while struggling alone.

In a world of continuing interchangeable partners women will be the most miserable, because its the biggest shock to them and more painful, as they need a committed relationship for validation far more than men do.

flamethrowup · 2016-05-24T00:24:24+00:00

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Cristoff13 · 2016-05-24T00:59:39+00:00

This is ridiculous. Does she really expect a guy who doesn't know her to spend $50+ on her for a first date?

Actually this idea of a cheap first date is the historical norm from what I've read in some Christian sites. Those sites want to turn back the clock to how it was before casual sex, hook ups and the like. In America at least how it went was a guy would go on cheap strictly platonic dates with several girls, trying to find the Right One. Only when he found a potential marriage partner would dating get ramped up to include expensive meals and gifts etc.

I guess this new expectation of expensive first dates is because the guy is expecting to get sex pretty soon.

oldredder · 2016-05-24T05:00:02+00:00

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legessi · 2016-05-24T13:30:58+00:00

And what about the cons for guys? Well, for one thing, she says, “men are denying themselves the opportunity to really get to know someone.”

Wow. Isn't that, pretty much the verbatim line guys used to say about women who didn't give them the time of day?

Times have changed lady, so start going out on the coffee dates. Get to know the guy and let him get to know you instead of getting all butt hurt he's not forking over $50 the first time he sits down with you. Your ego may feel a sting he's not going all out to impress you on the first meeting, but can you blame him? He goes on 10 dates and is expected to cover all it, that could be $4-500. She goes on 10 dates and would net 10 free meals with numerous drinks. OF FUCKING COURSE she wants the dates...shit it doesn't hit her pocket book...

MuscleCarz · 2016-05-24T16:30:55+00:00

Not one fucking mention of the women on dating websites bragging how they "got free dinners for weeks" going out on dates where guys paid for meals, but of course, they don't go out on 2nd dates with any of them.

Up until the 80's, before cell phones and social media, people had to actually talk face to face. Most encounters were face to face before you asked them out, i.e, as a man, you could see what she really looked like and get an idea of her demeanor before asking her out. And when you did take them out to dinner or a movie, back then, they really appreciated it. You were the shit to them.

Now, they flip through men's profiles on-line like they're shopping for shoes.

Men are wising up. Deal with it.

Pastriarchy · 2016-05-24T05:59:30+00:00

The modern dating environment is the romantic equivalent of joylessly eating fast food or three-minute noodles every night instead of taking the time to learn how to cook a complex meal properly. The idea of putting effort into something that might not be perfect first-try, getting to know how something works inside out, and then perfecting it with patience is entirely lost on a generation of people raised to have zero job security, and relentless "options" at their fingertips for every facet of life. Don't like what's on TV? Don't sit at watch and see if it grows on you, flick to one of another 500 channels. Bit bored at work? Then quit and do something else. Didn't get "swept off your feet" or whatever bullshit you've been lead to believe "should" happen on a date, well there's endless other people to try.. why would anyone put any effort in when they know the other person is an endless browser who doesn't know how to accept that not everything of value is perfect right away?

oldredder · 2016-05-24T06:58:54+00:00

oh wow - women are getting more expensive to keep their interest and trying to hit up as many men as possible for their wallets - and they wonder why men are doing their best to guard their wallets?

LOL

aanarchist · 2016-05-24T14:43:26+00:00

i like how 0 accountability for women

2016-05-24T16:17:14+00:00

Women have a scale depending on how good they look. An ugly girl will put an average man on Chads level. An Average chick won't even know an average guy exists until she's looking for 'stability'.

Chad: Meet at a bar, a party, Tinder etc. Sex is the only commitment Chad gives until he's bored. Chads friend: Date, then go home and bang. Half-provider / Half Chads friend: Plan a date, drop some money, get some action within a few dates. Provider Pete: Lots of dates, text messages, 'She wants to take it slow.' Pure Cuck: Pay for everything, know for sure she's banged Chad and his friends in the past, yet keeps you waiting because she's looking to 'settle down'.

Met a girl at my brothers house. She was talking about how she wants a relationship with this firefighter who's texting her. Where was she 20 minutes later? Banging my brothers roommate. My brothers other friend laughs and says they've all ran through her.

That's exactly the type of girl that wakes up at 30 years old and wonders why she's single.

wordjedi · 2016-05-24T17:47:21+00:00

don’t forget that there are plenty of fish in the sea for a girl like you. “Don’t back down if he says no,” Flores says. “You have the option to move on too.”

So...much...left swiping. Yeah, I'm going to knock myself out to drop $600 on a moonlight carriage ride and five star dinner at Chateau Le Howmuchyougot.

I've pretty much given up on online dating, but back in the day when I was younger and dumber, I used to actually compose flirty, funny, original messages to girls I liked. Do that a couple times and get shut down and ignored, and you will never make that effort again.

Guys, it's the Obesity Epidemic. You simply can't have a big wide ass and be somebody's MPDG. When only a small percent of girls still have a little heart shaped ass you can fall in love with, you're gonna have a hard time.

CaptainStardust · 2016-05-24T19:12:00+00:00

It's pretty funny that the way she describes the man (trying to pencil her in) is pretty much how women treat the majority of guys. It's pretty obvious from the article that this woman is ONLY going after Chad. It's like all the men that aren't at least an 8 are invisible to her.

frzndesserts · 2016-06-02T04:16:48+00:00

Funny how the princess syndrome is working out for entitled snowflakes! I dont even do coffee at a coffee shop anymore! I tell them let's chat over coffee on video skype! There is no reason to even waste the drive time to meet up anymore! so far,every snoflake has been indignant and offended over this type of first date. I just say "meh" and then i proceed to call one of my atf escorts for a real live date where i know im getting action!

Title	Princess Syndrome: Why Aren't Guys Investing More in Online Dates?
Author	JPDG
Upvotes	52
Comments	68
Date	May 23, 2016 9:43 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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