Accusations against MGTOW

Mgtowredpillonroids · 2016-05-03T10:14:24+00:00

This already exists, namely in the form of the MGTOW shaming catalogue: https://www.mgtow.com/shaming-tactics/ Naturally there's no reason why you shouldn't add to that from your own perspective though. Indeed all these (mainly based on strawmen and ad hominem attacks) "counter arguments" are so repetitive and unimaginative that arguing against them is a waste of time and one should simply refer them to the already existing material (i.e. yours, the shaming catalogue or any other manosphere material adressing these attacks).

Edit: Your last link doesn't work.

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exit-stage-right2 · 2016-05-03T16:47:55+00:00

I won't waste my time with your videos, that's what society and you want to make me do. No Thanks

exit-stage-right2 · 2016-05-03T16:39:57+00:00

once again I have to point out! MGTOW isn't any one thought or perspective. it means don't follow society rules just because they are taught and preached. Find your own way and do it the way that works for you. it can be loving women, hating women, writing all these posts about female behavior, living in the wilderness by yourself, even having a relationship and children. Stop trying to define MGTOW, IT ALREADY HAS A DEFINITION, don't do what society tells you, just because society tells you, figure your own decisions based on what works best for you. It's ironic that you tell us how to be because that's exactly how MGTOW emerged. Your comments only strengthens that fact.

2016-05-04T20:21:37+00:00

First two bullet points: shaming - irrelevant

Last bullet point: After a few weeks or months of digesting all of the information on various MGTOW resources, yes, we get it. We stay and contribute for all of the men, day after day, who swallowed the Red Pill 10 minutes ago. We have already gone our own way, but we are not going to abandon our brothers.

GreatRedYeti · 2016-05-03T09:22:22+00:00

Link to the video is wrong. It currently goes to the "My Videos" section on YouTube.

SergeantDickhead · 2016-05-03T11:40:30+00:00

Hey, don't forget that you are more than welcome to post your mgtow videos over at r/mgtowcinema as well.

Botanical-Concepts · 2016-05-03T15:57:27+00:00

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User-31f64a4e · 2016-05-03T16:51:09+00:00

The fact is the more men invest in knowledge and understanding of women, the less they willing invest in women sexually, emotionally, and economically. This is the real reason why women a don't want MGTOW talking about women.

This.

2016-05-03T17:06:10+00:00

Helo lads. good post. I wrote some thing very similar to this.but deleted it. since we are gow I said to me self,I need to focous on meself and let people think whatever they might.

arcesious · 2016-05-03T17:08:20+00:00

I told a close friend of mine I was 'going my own way' once when we drifted onto the topic of relationships and dating awhile back. I explained that I've never had much if any desire for romantic relationships, how in my experience being 'in love' compromised my ability to reason so much that I found it antithetical to who I am, how I've observed throughout my life many men manipulated to disaster, how I've never wanted children, how I've rarely ever met a woman who was logic-oriented like me, and that being the key thing I would want in a relationship if I ever had one, is someone as intelligent or more intelligent than myself who understood me on the most fundamental levels. But reality is not so I said, I've looked, tried to be as objective and unbiased as possible in my observations and consideration of data, and it seems to me the odds of finding such an individual are so remote that I should simply live my life as best as I can and improve myself autonomously. I told all of this to a person who himself claimed to have gone on over 30 dates with different women (with no success in starting a new relationship for himself) in the past year, and maybe my mistake in maintaining friendship was criticizing his decision to do so on the basis of the expenditure doing so required.

Since then he's accused me of being 'afraid of women' one on occasion for a brief awkward moment that I originally brushed off as a simple misunderstanding at the time. Now we've drifted apart (perhaps for other reasons) despite my best intentions to remain his friend. He doesn't talk to me except if I occasionally see him at work and try my best to be friendly and interested in what's going on with him. I'm not sure if maybe he got bored of my company or if maybe he investigated MGTOW and saw all the people going through the anger phase and concluded I was the same and not worth the time to hang out with anymore. Either way, shit's painful (the deterioration of a friendship) especially when it comes from someone who was your best friend for years. Maybe I wasn't the best friend to him either. I've always been rather emotionally disengaged, quiet during most conversations in groups, critical about a lot of things (but with good intentions), and didn't share a whole lot of interests with him other than gaming. I've tried to find something wrong with me to figure it out but I'm just being who I am with no ill will towards others. I don't know. On top of that, all my old friends all feel like acquaintances now, everyone I used to spend lots of time with is getting into romantic relationships and it's like I've just been forgotten. I just needed to vent since that's been on my mind for awhile, seemed appropriate to this thread.

nooooou · 2016-05-03T17:11:06+00:00

different spheres of the ball

I'll just suggest "coordinates of the sphere" as an improved version of that phrase.

Falkrik · 2016-05-03T20:44:08+00:00

Im not an mgtow, read this place a lot though mainly out of interest.

One thing that does puzzle me is the hate you get from all corners. The red pillers, half of them hate mgtow. Femminists; hate most things so put mgtow on the pile as well The rational anti feminist youtubers; hate ya asses. The generic american liberal; hates ya because its opinion that sounds good to him.

The criticisms seem ,to be frank fairly overblown. "women are whores, lets go play video games or something instead" shouldnt provoke the hatred you guys get from all those groups.

I'm curios if any of you have an explanation as to why MGTOW gets hated from all sides, even sides that you could be forgiven for thinking our natural allies when just looking at the ideas, and try not to make it too self serving.

Five_Decades · 2016-05-04T02:53:46+00:00

Barbarossa had a video about why 'shut up and go your own way' was terrible advice for MGTOWs, but I forget which video it was. It was about how dissemination of information was important to MGTOWers. The only reason I am here is because other people were talking about it, and the ideas made sense. People like me talking about it may help someone else who is thinking of MGTOW.

Spungo1 · 2016-05-03T13:43:17+00:00

I think MGTOW just needs to drop the name, much like feminism needs to drop the name. Instead of people identifying as members of a group and going overboard, as all groups eventually do, people should simply state their philosophy.

Others: "Are you dating anyone right now?"

You: "Nope. I find that I'm happier when I'm single, so I'll stay single."

No label, no angry ranting about how much you hate women or how much you hate your mother, no ranting about feminism. Lead by example. Women should do this too. Don't tell me you're a feminist and you hate men. Tell me you're happier when you don't have a man. I want to be around positive people. Don't bring me down with hateful nonsense and pink hair.

Title	Accusations against MGTOW
Author	Botanical-Concepts
Upvotes	33
Comments	31
Date	May 3, 2016 8:44 AM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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