At least girls have certainty

raziphel · 2020-05-06T19:59:07+00:00

No, women do not have certainty. You need to get that idea out of your head right this instant.

You also need to understand that "bad attention" is not better than "no attention." This isn't to put your situation down at all, but don't let desperation drive your thoughts.

It's not about clicking with "a woman" but "the right woman". You aren't going to click with most women. I don't. No one does. Don't expect that.

| My personality is so far off stream from what people consider attractive in a western male

"what you think others find attractive in men"

Remember, the perception of the truth is not the same as the truth itself. Women aren't some monolith of singular opinions. There are basic social standards of course, but what any given woman might prioritize in a partner can wildly vary.

It's good that you can recognize abusive people and avoid them. That's a hell of a lot better than a lot of people out there! Avoid those folks.

| How is some fat nerdy guy to put in time and work to make himself attractive supposed to know if it worked at all because girls won't come out and say it like guys do.

You'll start getting positive reinforcement if you keep at it. Recognize it when it happens.

I also know a lot of fat nerdy guys who are in happy relationships, so even being fat and nerdy isn't a bad thing by itself.

What to do?

Figure out where women who like fat nerdy guys congregate and go meet them there. They will also be nerds, but that's a good thing. They may or may not be fat too, but whatever. Ask yourself what kind of people do nerdy women like, or better, go observe the kinds of people they like directly and see for yourself.

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Complaining about "women's bullshit" is exactly the sort of thing that typically drives women away, because you're assuming that their concerns are automatically inferior. That you automatically assume they all play "games" is not correct either - it means you do not actually respect women, despite the lip service. No not all women are paragons of stability, but that doesn't matter. If you cannot look at things positively from their perspective, you'll never succeed in being someone women want to spend time with.

They're doing their best with what they've got to work with, just like you.

HateKnuckle · 2020-05-06T21:26:26+00:00

I also have generally undesirable personality traits. I absolutely love to argue. Ideological conflict is my jam but many people avoid it like the plague. So I stay true to myself in hopes that I'll find a girl who wants to argue with me. I know they exist. I just have to find one.

The trick is to become content with who you are first and then just pursue your passions where people are likely to encounter you so women can find you. If you can be happy without the attention of women then finding a woman who wants you is just a happy bonus.

Improve yourself for your own benefit. You'll know you're doing well when you're happy with who you are.

Are you familiar with Contrapoints? She's a trans woman who lived as a man into her 20s and she's experienced the unlimited asshole dudes as a woman and the complete avoidance by women as a man. She prefers the unlimited shitty attention over nothing.

GGMcThroway · 2020-05-07T04:58:14+00:00

Have you thought about seeking therapy?

everydayloserguy · 2020-05-07T03:21:13+00:00

I recommend taking time focusing on you, don't listen to anyone's advice for a bit and decide what you want and think will make you happy. Find your own peace and don't worry about the thoughts of others. Cheers man, best of luck to you.

H2orocks3000 · 2020-05-15T13:14:22+00:00

Become well read, that’s for sure. Improv, practice.

Suvieren · 2020-05-07T01:27:43+00:00

From this post and the responses you've provided to other commentators, it seems that your issues with 'attracting' women stems from unattractive and disrespectful ideas about women. If your self-improvement isn't designed to challenge these ideas about women, if your self-improvement is focused on the goal of attracting women, then it is not truly self-improvement.

Focus on yourself. Women aren't nearly as silly and vapid as many would assume.

ClickerHeroes1505 · 2020-05-07T02:24:09+00:00

Damn you are a degenerate boy.

Title	At least girls have certainty
Author	defo18
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Date	May 6, 2020 7:22 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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