A few days ago a young man posted on askTRP complaining how he was matching with girls and getting dates, but couldn't seem to translate those dates into sex. I'll paste the first part of his post:
I downloaded tinder and gotten some good matches. I’ve gone out with 5-6 women so far in the past two weeks. Guess what?
I have failed ALL of them. It’s truth pathetic and starting to feel really bad.
I mean I had gotten used to failure. But at least last year when shit was normal I had successes in between, but now it’s legit 6 dates in a row where I’ve been ghosted after or ignored. I don’t think I’ve had this many string of failures like ever.
There’s something obviously very wrong with me and I don’t know what.
This is an extremely common issue. Posts exactly like these come up all the fucking time. And since I find myself repeating the same thing over and over again in response, I figure it's finally time to put this to rest in a full post.
To be sure, perhaps there was something in this guy's profile or in-person Game that gave off Beta vibes to these girls. Both should be fixed. But he could have saved himself a whole lot of trouble if he approached the app from a different mindset.
What is Tinder?
Let's start with the basics. Tinder is not a dating app. It's a hookup app.
That's literally what it was designed for. Are you hot or not? Would I bang or not bang? This should be obvious to everyone here. We all know what Tinder is, but how most guys actually use the app reflects their Blue Pill conditioning. They behave as if Tinder is designed for dates. The distinction is critical.
Here I review how to actually get laid from Tinder in a way so straightforward and simple that even a genius couldn't mess it up. This post is written for guys who are already getting matches, but can't seem to translate them into bangs because they overthink it.
If you aren't getting many hot matches (e.g. at least one HB6-7+ every day), then stop reading right now and use the search function to check out the excellent profile guides written by EC mallardcove, or the one that was just posted by KillYourInnerLoser. If you're in a scarcity mindset, then you will inevitably ignore what I have to say here and go back to your ineffective Blue Pill ways.
What Girls Actually Want
Despite the plain fact that Tinder is a sex app, guys still draw out the seduction process into a lengthy affair. You match and message her over the course of several days. Then you eventually meet her for drinks or coffee first. Maybe bounce her from 2-3 different venues before inviting her back under some pretense, where you continue to Game her for a few hours before finally sealing the deal.
And that's the best case scenario. Most of the time, they don't even try for sex until the second or third date. Usually what happens is that after all that effort, she'll end up flaking away. Or the guy gets hit with "LMR" in the bedroom. Then he will come on here wondering what the fuck happened.
All of this nonsense comes from Blue Pill conditioning - that you need to "get to know her" and "build comfort" before coitus can occur.
Bullshit.
Young girls in their sexual prime age 18-23 just want to hookup and have fun. They don't "date." Most of them have never even been on an actual first date. It feels too contrived. To young chicks, casual fucking = dating.
The mere fact that you asked her out on a date risks making you look Beta, because Chad Thundercock isn't doing any of that shit. He's opening with "wanna come over?" which leads us to the next section.
Modus Operandi for Tinder
Many of my Tinder lays have come from following a very simple playbook. I open her (or she opens me). We exchange brief lighthearted banter and establish basic compatibility. Then after 5 messages or so, I invite myself over her place to smoke weed or drink wine or some other bullshit. Once I'm there, I'm balls deep within 30 minutes.
It's important that you invite yourself to her place and not the other way around. Girls are much more comfortable with this sort of debauchery in their own domain. I have never failed to sleep with a girl after going to her place.
The Blue Pill conditions you to believe that a hot tight 20 YO girl wouldn't possibly want a strange man to come over to her apartment, fuck the shit out of her, and then leave. The Red Pill, however, shows that not only are girls totally open to this, but they often prefer it.
Guys often ask can't I just tell her flat out that I want to hookup? No, no you can't. That's socially retarded and demonstrates that you don't understand the Game. You invite yourself to her place and she knows what's up. Communicate what you want with your actions.
Should I Ever Invite Her On a Date First?
The one thing to know about the above strategy is that not every girl will go for it, but the girls that do accept are 100% down to have sex with you.
Inviting her out for drinks or whatever first will net you more overall chances, but a lower bang rate. If you want to meet more girls but potentially waste a lot of time, then go the date route. But if you want guaranteed sex, then go the hookup route. What you do is up to you, but don't come here whining if you bomb a few dates in a row.
Note: I'll still meet her out if she asks or if the situation calls for it (e.g. she's cheating on her boyfriend, she's an au pair living with a host family, etc.)
Move Quickly
Carpe diem. Strike while the iron is hot. You snooze, you lose. You hesitate, you masturbate.
My final admonishment for you Tinder Fuckbois is to seize the moment. Whether you're meeting her out or at her place, try to do it the very night that you match. At most, meet her no more than 24-72 hours later. Otherwise the opportunity is likely to slip away forever. Believe me, I've lost enough bangs by dithering.
Women are driven by emotions. She may be hot and heavy and ready to go one night, only to turn ice cold the very next day. While some women may give you more time, your window of opportunity is finite. On Tinder, her ADD brain will flit to the next Chad that appears in her feed if you don't move quickly.
If she's responding promptly to your messages at 9 PM on a Friday and is just "hanging out at home," that's a pretty good indicator that she's DTF. Escalate quickly, otherwise you'll be left with your dick in the wind.
As a wise man once said, grab 'em by the pussy.
Conclusion
You want to know how I all know all this? It's because I've been that guy in the first part of this post. I've been that guy who didn't try to bang Tinder matches right away. I've been that guy who lost many lays and wasted a lot of time because I didn't treat Tinder like a hookup app.
If you're getting hot matches but consistently failing to get sex, then the problem is your approach. You will have a hell of a lot more success with Tinder if you simply follow the strategy that I outline above. Tinder should be a fun diversion and an easy source of free lays, not a source of angst and frustration. Don't make banging Tinder hoes more complicated than it has to be.
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