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Is this true? How’s THIS for a red-pill theory?

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December 29, 2018

I received this comment on on the catholic subreddit and was wondering what you all here would think of it. Is it true?

“First of all, marriage isn't about being happy.

It's about the continuance of society and the raising of children. It's about reining in men's destructive, and women's seductive, capacities , and channeling these into a well-ordered good.

There is no "one" - there is simply the one you choose to live with. The whole idea of selecting your own mate is predicated on the idea that dictating your preferences will somehow give you a greater chance of happiness (read: satisfaction) than to live with someone to which you were assigned, or who won you with some means related to skill or power.

This is demonstrably false. I (and I'm sure most people) have often been more pleased with things I wouldn't have chosen for myself (e.g., colors of clothes, flavors of foods) because of habit or errant preference, only to discover via someone else's choice (gift) that what I thought I liked or didn't like wasn't true at all.

The idea that you choose your way into a marriage, more often than not (though admittedly not of necessity) leads to the idea that you can also choose your way out of it. No, you can't. You can't trade it in or get a refund. We've spent the better part of the past century advertising 'try before you buy' and nothing got better - it got far, far worse.

This is because everyone goes from trial to trial and never commits. You want to try the other model, the next edition, glutting yourself on 'new experiences' instead of taking what you have to the fullest. The more serious and permanent a commitment, the more seriously you're supposed to take it. You can research, think about it, ask advice, but the deep dark secret of humanity is this: confirmation bias is real, it's strong, and the only thing that it requires is for you to want it to exist.

Yeah. The mere act of deciding that you're stuck with something puts you into a continuous mode of post-hoc justification. You can literally brainwash yourself into being satisfied with what you've got. Of course, this can and often is an excuse to avoid self-improvement, but this powerful weapon can be turned in any direction.

What we did with divorce culture is take it out of the relationship equation because we stopped expecting satiety from anyone. The entirety of advertising is geared toward arousing jealousy and dissatisfaction. We are obsessed with acquisition as a means of feeling fulfilled. If you don't instill loyalty, honor, or duty into anyone, if you don't reinforce their commitment with peer pressure and societal expectation, more will fail than not, because no one minds if they do. Just having a steady boyfriend or girlfriend for a year is considered a great achievement these days.

If there's no limit to the test drive, if you never have to bring the car back or sign a paper (or you can tear the paper up at will), who the hell is going to lay out actual money for it??

They are getting fewer and fewer.

The bottom line is that God told the Church how to run things because He made us and He knows exactly to what depths we'll sink if given even an inch of rope. You see no problem in 'tiny' concessions that look 'good' on the surface but they all add up to total destruction..

Do not look at marriage as if it is supposed to make you happy, because once you decide how happy you're 'supposed' (read: expect) to be, everything falling short of your yardstick is deemed inadequate payment due, and then you feel slighted, which then justifies stinginess on your part, and you have a vicious cycle of passive aggressive vengeance that ends in misery for all. Pass that person on to the next unwitting test driver; rinse and repeat.”

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Title Is this true? How’s THIS for a red-pill theory?
Author CalmPassenger
Upvotes 57
Comments 46
Date 29 December 2018 10:38 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 38 points39 points  (7 children) | Copy

Sounds logical to me. When you can choose freely, you do not value it in the same way

[–]i8a4re7333 points34 points  (5 children) | Copy

Interesting. Civilization was built on delayed gratification

[–]CRGRO24 points25 points  (4 children) | Copy

The guy basically paraphrased jordan peterson

[–]i8a4re738 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Got that one from Stefan Moleneux actually

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy

He's budget jordan peterson

[–]i8a4re731 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I can’t see how trolling is a way to add value. No one remembers those that pull down, but rather add & contribute. Not a famous critical troller out there

[–]Jabbermouth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

6ix9ine is pretty famous for trolling.

[–]jalapenotrp30 points31 points  (2 children) | Copy

I've been married for more than 15 years and I have never read something truer when it comes to a marriage. Marriage is a choice, and staying married is also a choice.

The euphoria of a marriage fades away in the first few years, then it becomes a continuous decision if staying with that person is the best choice so marriage is not an emotional choice, is a rational one, at least for us men.

You went very deep in this post, some of these things are very hard to grasp, I'm an atheist, but I'm starting to realize why religion and some other social orders are necessary in our society.

Thanks for the post!

[–]JustARapper 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Me exactly. I've never considered this point of view and it really does tie into the concept of delayed gratification. A married man with a family in his 60's, even if it isn't perfect, is probably better than being alone, as no one would take care of any of your needs.

[–]jalapenotrp2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Happiness is an ambiguous thing.

what most people call happiness is the euphoria of new excitement, and it becomes a constant persuit.

[–]Endorsed Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

If you want a Catholic Marriage move to a country with a Catholic Legal traditional. Maybe make a time machine idk. Other wise what your gonna get is Kabala Marriage under the guise of Catholic Marriage.

Here's how it works. You get fake catholic married.

Next your wife aka the Golem gets manipulated by the Kabala television wizards into being unhaaaaapy.

She files for divorce.

Kabbala divorce wizards take your money. So does your wife.

The catholic church does absolutely nothing to help you and probably blames you for the entire situation.

[–]ARUKET5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Church, and all other Christians, have completely and utterly failed in every single cultural battle this country has ever fought. In fact, lately we find the Pope and plenty of weird protty denominations outright joining the other side in the culture war.

At this point I recommend the same thing to the trads - move to another country. But if you get married in a globohomo country like the US, consider getting married by the Church and not involving the government at all. You'll get 20 years before the government involves itself, which should be enough to see if your marriage will last.

[–]omega_dawg9313 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

"If you don't instill loyalty, honor, or duty into anyone..."

you need to read more on the true (Machiavellian) nature of women. THEY DON'T GIVE A FLYING FUCK ABOUT loyalty, honor, or duty; those concepts don't register in their world of feelings.

they're loyal to their feelings, they honor their feelings, and they dutifully serve their feelings.

the end.

reserve those concepts for dealing with (most) men. with women, you're best gaming them and using their techniques: lie, cheat, manipulate, deceive. that's what they understand & respect.

the two things women care about: their make-up (appearance) & their cunning... both serving the same purpose.

[–]garebear199590 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I came to say this there is no such thing as honor or loyalty in men and especially women these days.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sounds about right to me but I would have said it a bit differently. Being happy for the sake of being happy is hallow and in the end probably impossible. Humans need a mission and something to work for. It will be hard but if you "brainwash" yourself into putting in that work you will feel real happiness.

[–]Nergaal4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

The whole text is surprisingly close to Peterson's idea to not be somebody who borrowed closely from him. Leaving aside the religious stuff, it is a surprisingly rational position, and quite red-pilled.

[–]KilluaKanmuru4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

That's a great read. I recommend The Subtle Art of Not Giving a Fuck by Mark Manson. We need to recheck our values and find one's that can actually sustain our happiness. People think marriage is the end, but it's the beginning. It's like in Buddhism. You see emptiness, you meditate, you reach 4th path, but then you come to find that when you reach Buddhahood the path is still going.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

In a patriarchal or even truly egalitarian world, I would be the biggest advocate of marriage. But in this clown world, you'd have to be fucking crazy to enter a legal contract in which the other party (the wahman) doesn't have any legal obligations and can revoke the contract at any time for any reasons and have you pay the penalty fees, sometimes for a lifetime. She can also take assets that you earned long before you entered the contract, just because. But "muh prenups", I hear the skeptical say. Your prenup? Utterly worthless. You could wipe your ass with it and in fact it's probably what you'll have to do because you won't be able to afford toilet paper for a while. Any wahman can cry crocodile tears in front of a judge and claim she signed the prenup after drinking a glass of wine so it doesn't count or she signed it because it was the only way you evil man would agree to marry her, which defeats the entire point of a prenup.

[–]morescoobysnacks 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy

First of all, marriage isn't about being happy.

Stopped reading. Marriage is a mistake. Don't do it.

[–]empatheticapathetic34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy

You can still read the rest...

[–]bigdale0011 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I agree, I have no idea why a guy would choose marriage knowing it won't make him happy. Men should put themselves first, that's what Red Pill is all about.

[–]GiraffeOnWheels0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

No it isn’t about being happy. It’s about being the best. Best person by being the best you.

[–]Psychological_Radish7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

If you don't instill loyalty, honor, or duty into anyone, if you don't reinforce their commitment with peer pressure and societal expectation, more will fail than not, because no one minds if they do.

The idea that relationship fidelity should be enforced rather than inspired is fundamentally opposed to TRP principles. The former is what underpinned marriages for most of human civilization. If a woman acted on her hypergamy by having premarital sex or cheating, then she was shamed or stoned to death or whatever. The author believes that society should go back to controlling people through force.

Here at the Red Pill, we believe that relationships are built on genuine desire, not control. This forum advances theory and practice for cultivating passionate relationships that result in crazy monkey sex, not methods of coercion and transaction that result in marriages of passionless starfish "duty sex."

That is what tradcon writers like Jordan Peterson and this guy don't understand. Fundamentally they're Blue Pill Betas that can only think in terms of negotiated desire (Beta Bucks), not genuine desire (Alpha Fucks).

[–]LE_REDDIT_HIVEMIND 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Just to play the devils advocate here, Jordan Peterson advocates that men make themselves attractive to many women but choose one, which essentially means dread game in TRP terminology. Some people here on TRP subs are too dismissive of Jordan Peterson, he's brilliant and the vast majority of his advice is virtually identical to key red pill guidelines, but worded differently. Of course some of his advice is contrary to RP, but he spreads important messages about hypergamy and (male) self-improvement.

[–]Psychological_Radish-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

Jordan Peterson is a Blue Pill Beta who is afflicted with lifelong ONEitis for his wife, whom he pursued since he was a little kid. He believes that you should "find a partner that you can negotiate with," which just about sums up Beta game. Peterson's entire philosophy is about "building a better Beta" as Rollo has stated. There is very little if anything that is Red Pill about him.

[–]garebear199591 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Christianity is too blue pilled and cucked for our current world.marriage will only work again if we take back respect and take out the feminist indoctrination by force.there is no way the church can instill honor and loyalty to women Just by repeating it to them.when fear and shame is not a factor.

Christianity keeps conveniently changing with the times,accepting of gay marriage,trans and degenerates,also became more passive just to be able to fit in with modern society while our ancestors took continents and crusades in the name of god.

IMO Christianianity and Catholics produce the sluttiest females and most blue pilled men.christianity will never be able to save us culturally,ya it produces a good sense of community but only to an extent.

The black pill is Islam is the only force that can fix the west’s shit family sector and cleanse the (((feminists))).

[–]bigdale0010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Some guys think they will find a conservative church girl, what he doesn't know is that she's probably the worst of them all. Some of these guys believe in unicorns, it's a blue pill and purple pill idea. They need to wake up and understand female nature.

[–]CaptainBW1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Paragraphs upon paragraphs of rationalization (I skimmed, not reading all that). As a former catholic here’s what marriage is: a soul-bond. You and another Soul bond yourselves to each other and the gubermint treats you as a single taxable entity. Cheat...even divorce? As a Man, you’re losing all your shit. And as Catholics, God is sending you both to Hell because duh doi, you knew what you were agreeing to. The Truth is that there is a deity which governs this Universe...but It doesn’t carry whether or not you marry, and if it’s for raising a family, etc. TLDR: DO NOT GET MARRIED. God doesn’t even care unless it ends in Divorce anyway!

[–]beefthathasredmiddle8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just don’t comment if you don’t read the post.

[–]BurnoutRS0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Once the rabbit is out of the hat, he doesnt go back in.

The phrase "forming societies" means organizing and controlling populations or groups of people. Religion is one such means through which this control and organization can be accomplished. Its a tool to be used along side politics and etc. in order to build nations, to set people towards goals...

What is our goal as a society though? Can we even ascertain a collective goal? Is it worthwhile to do so? I ask these redundant questions mainly because I dont fucking care and I want to try and emphasize how little it actually matters.

God is the highest form of yourself. it is the Archetypal being. The ultimate. What you strive towards. Whether or not there actually is a physical godbeing doesnt fucking matter either. All religion is predicated on various interpretations of this truth. There is a way of living that is most beneficial and conducive towards reaping as much reward out of life, for as little suffering as possible. That is what all religion strives to teach in one way or another. When you "sin" against "god" what you are really doing is commiting acts that are detrimental towards the pursuit of your higher self.

heres the fucking caveat though... what is your higher self? What the fuck sets the criteria for that? Anything outside of biological imperative could be argued to be human moralizing. So that boils it down to the highest self for a man being the one who fucks the most women, the highest self for a woman being the one who finds and fucks the best man.

Now you need to factor in the means of control angle. Religion purports to offer the answer to all lifes questions. Which means that for every well meaning person who wants to show you the light and the way because they believe it is beneficial to society overall, there are also people who fully intend to use their "divine knowledge" to have power over you.

Whats even better is where you get these people who, are following what is essentially an incredibly dilute version of religious teachings that have been twisted and reinterpreted by so many minds and mouths, often for different purposes, that its practically devoid of any meaning and is only mysticism.

Im coming to realize that most religious texts are great. If youve had the proper historical context given to them, had the life experience to be able to determine the difference between fanaticism, cult behaviour and something thats actually sensible.

Anyways I also had a rabbit/hat point to wrap up. If not first a problem, there is no need for solution. In some ways I hate myself for doing this through a religious lens right now, but I'll use the adam and eve story. We could have lived in peace and harmony in the garden of eden, but we would always have to wonder, we would always be tempted by the curiousity of the apple.

Do you wish to trade progress for peace? Do you wish to just put a lid back on society, we'll perpetuate the ideal model. do you like 1950s america? the nuclear family model? (which im certain is fabricated horseshit) Why strive for anything more? We can just keep things the way they are. Stabilize the birthand death rates. Every 100 years the same cycle of celebrities, music, etc. all new faces and names filling relatively the same role....

Nope. Doesnt happen. You eat that fucking apple eve. Anything is better than taking the millionth fucking walk through the goddamn garden

[–]harbinger19450 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

The real question though in my opinion is why should I live life which I don't find fulfilling(I am not happy). Why should I go to great lengths just to satisfy my peers(to match expectations of society) ?

IMO it's just bullshit. There are reasons why religion and marriage had it's place in this world, but honestly I consider them both a mistake.

  1. Religion send us backwards many times throughout history. It's a shitty way to control people who are not aware of it and if you're exposed to it at early age it takes actually intelligence and ability(or will) to walk away from it. It works in similar way to hard drugs so people have issues with that kind of stuff
  2. Marriage maybe satisfied beta's and incels of their time, but I can't imagine being around(and possibly have kids with) a women I don't have a sincere connection with. Women is not just a wet hole to me.

I just wonder how it is possible that people will rather be satisfied with mediocrity than actually doing something to improve yourself. Where is that drive ? Where is that feeling that I don't have enough, that I want more in majority of people ?

I quit my job, I sent people I knew to hell because they held me back on my journey. In last 6 months I improved beyond what I considered possible and now I know that I wont stop. Where are these things in majority of humans ?

[–]bigdale0010 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women don't take marriage seriously anymore, it's just an opportunity to seeks resources. Anyone that tells you otherwise has a motive. If you are her Alpha, you can always have kids without marriage if that's what you are looking for.

[–]Endorsed ContributorAuvergnat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah. The mere act of deciding that you're stuck with something puts you into a continuous mode of post-hoc justification. You can literally brainwash yourself into being satisfied with what you've got.

Yep this is an amazing quirk of the human mind. Check out Dan Gilbert’s TED talk for more info

[–]SKRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Monogamous marriage is social sexual strategy.

[–]dukes1998-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy

Posts like this always have me questioning why I come here lmao

God isn’t real. People are selfish and motivated by self interest. Learn human nature and how people operate and your dealings with people will make sense and you won’t have to resort to cringe posts like this to explain basic human interaction.

[–]LE_REDDIT_HIVEMIND 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy

Convenient that reality is so simple.

[–]dukes19980 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s more simple to believe that someone is pulling the strings to make sense of a universe that doesn’t make any sense.

[–]bestsparkyalive-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

What a great post !!

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy

Jeezus H Christ.... who let the God Squad in here? Marriage is a bad idea no matter how you slice it. Whether you believe in a mainstream god, one of the lesser followed gods like Odin or Thor... it’s always bad, especially for men.

Suffering a miserable relationship to channel yourselves into something good sounds like utter bollocks to me. Whatever you’re doing with your time, it’s going to be of more value to society/family if you’re happy...

Also, what was the question? This is asktrp after all...

Mods? Does this post get to stay?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

The question was whether this information was valid

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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