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Harvey Weinstein finally gets some of his just desserts. More to come, one hopes.

ThePigmanAgain

February 24, 2020
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https://www.9news.com.au/world/harvey-weinstein-guilty-over-sexual-assault-heres-what-happens-now/10737382-1604-4f85-bc15-23bc9e0da2ce
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Title Harvey Weinstein finally gets some of his just desserts. More to come, one hopes.
Author

ThePigmanAgain

Upvotes 13
Comments 34
Date February 24, 2020 8:55 PM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/f8xzme/harvey_weinstein_finally_gets_some_of_his_just/
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Comments

[–]xNOM 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Just so people are aware:

The prosecution cast Weinstein as a conniving predator who demanded sex in exchange for access to a film universe where he reigned, but presented no forensic evidence or witness accounts.

The state's case instead rested on asking the jury to believe the women.

https://www.afp.com/en/news/15/harvey-weinstein-convicted-sexual-assault-and-rape-new-era-metoo-doc-1p990e2

[–]_Randy_C 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Weinstein is a piece of trash. However, this sets a horrible precedent for the coming years of witch trials against men. I have a feeling if the higher courts don’t overturn this, it will become a shit show.

[–]throwlaca 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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presented no forensic evidence or witness accounts

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Fucking scary.

[–]Ody_ssey 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good, now less directors will do that and more people will be hired based on merit.

[–]CircleToShoot 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What I want to know is whether jury bias played a part in the sentencing. Weinstein has had so much exposure as a rapist for years so does this play a part for the jury in their decision making?

[–]llmethuselah 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Discussions of evidence including reading of transcripts from two people who watched it all.

https://open.spotify.com/show/2MlkDxBgnfcaISTbPKii3G?si=6hQg8DfFRjyW8WRCasCX9Q

Entertaining listening. The verdict implies the jury thinks that women are children.

[–]mherm79 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Hollywood is a mess, time to clean it up

[–]CountFucker 11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The difference between "Suck my dick for a role" and "I'll suck your dick for a role" is not vast, so both men and women need to shape up here.

[–]mherm79 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree. Still a mess regardless of which side of the window you look through

[+]AndaliteBandits0 points 6 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

This case in question was more like, “Suck my dick or you’ll never have another role.” There’s a pretty obvious difference between an offer to advance someone’s career and a threat to end their career.

[–]throwlaca 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

This case in question was more like, “Suck my dick or you’ll never have another role.”

Which is also not illegal. At least, it's not raping.

[+]AndaliteBandits1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

The law says otherwise. It's called coercion. Would you like a legal dictionary?

[–]throwlaca 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Guilty of coercion is not the same as guilty of rape. You surely agree those are very different crimes with very different punishments.

[+]AndaliteBandits1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

He was convicted on two charges-- (1) rape in the first degree, which is forcible rape and (2) rape in the third degree, under which rape by coercion falls.

https://statelaws.findlaw.com/new-york-law/new-york-rape-laws.html

A person is guilty of rape in the third degree when he or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person:

  • Who is incapable of consent by reason of some factor other than being less than 17 years old;
  • Who is less than 17 years old, and the defendant is 21 years old or more; or
  • Without such person's consent, which is withheld for some other reason than incapacity to consent.

https://www.stlawu.edu/title-ix/new-york-state-standard-affirmative-consent

e. Consent cannot be given when it is the result of any coercion, intimidation, force, or threat of harm.

Your personal feelings on what should and shouldn't be illegal do not change what the actual laws state.

[–]throwlaca 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Coercion can be anything and under those laws, so if you say to your wife "we are having sex or I break with you" then you are raping her? that's ridiculous.

Oh...wait..."affirmative consent law". I see.

That law was signed on 2015 (https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-cuomo-signs-enough-enough-legislation-combat-sexual-assault-college-and-university)

No doubt forced by the new fascist 4th wave feminist movement.

How can he found guilty of breaking a law signed in 2015, for crimes he did 20 years ago? laws do not work retrospectively.

Please next time you cite a law, cite a non-fascist-feminist regime law. Affirmative consent is not a law, it's anti-constitutional and will be repealed in the future when crazy feminist times stop.

[+]ThePigmanAgain[S] -7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He did far worse than that.

[–]Doing_It_In_The_Butt 6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Did he? Like what? Is there evidence or just witness testimony?

If it's just witness testimony I'll believe it because the Weinstein case sounds like he definitely was a prick. But I will take the testimony with a pinch of salt, especially when it comes to the severity of the act.

If there is other evidence apart from witnesses then I honestly have not heard about it.

[+]AndaliteBandits1 points 6 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Did he? Like what? Is there evidence or just witness testimony?

He was dumb enough to put his threats in writing.

[–]Doing_It_In_The_Butt 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll look that up

[–]Swiggy 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Dear women,

If you want to see more convictions of rapists please follow these tips:

  1. Do not send rapist messages expressing your love after rape
  2. Do not date rapist for months or years after rape.

[–]BornFreeWE -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's not our job here to tell women (especially victims) what to do, ok?

[–]Swiggy 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it is not ok.

In cases that hinge on consent it would go a long way into removing doubt if you didn't date the person you accused.

[–]throwlaca 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't get to call people victims for a make-believe crime.

If you loved and dated your rapist, then the actual crime "rape" did not happened, because rape assumes non-consent.

If there is no crime, there is no victim.

[–]auMatech 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Technically it is possible to be raped by a lover, just be cause you have feelings for someone in a standard setting doesn't give them free reign over your body at all time.

I also agree with you though that people aren't automatically victims for making an accusations. Hence why one party is the accuser, one the accused until all evidence has been reviewed and a verdict has been made

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alright then! It's also not our job to protect them (especially victims). We'll eat popcorn and let it happen.

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Dear idiot, you are stupid.

[–]Doing_It_In_The_Butt 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Downvoted because you contributed nothing to the discussion.

[–]ThePigmanAgain[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You deserved no better.

[–]Doing_It_In_The_Butt 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What did I do? You need to calm down. Your being too loud.

[–]icefire54 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Cringe post. Weinstein is innocent.

[–]throwlaca 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What exactly did Weinstein do? Asking for sex in exchange of a role is not illegal. Also is not illegal if he threatened with anything other than physical violence, and he didn't do that.

Raping? all rape accusations have more than 10 years old, and allegedly Weinstein even dated the actresses after the supposed "rape". Also some girls said they were raped many times, how is that even possible? do you welcome your rapist to your house many times? Do those girls even know what "rape" means?

In my country, just yesterday, a girl was raped. She and her 9 year old kid were abducted, the kid was killed bashing his head with a stone, and she was savagely raped until she was covered in blood. THAT's rape. Weinstein did nothing even remotely similar to that.

[–]BornFreeWE 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Can we now talk about that it is abuse of power?

[–]throwlaca 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

yes, but abuse of power is not rape, and likely not even illegal.

[–]BornFreeWE 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And what is about the abuse of the power to falsley accuse men?

It's not even illegal, too.

Is also not rape if she blackmails you to 'consent' with that?

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