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Pentagon recommends requiring women to register for the draft

RustyGamer

October 28, 2017
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/r/MensRights
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/357055-pentagon-recommends-requiring-women-to-register-for-the-draft#
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Title Pentagon recommends requiring women to register for the draft
Author

RustyGamer

Upvotes 171
Comments 45
Date October 28, 2017 8:01 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/79c8ps/pentagon_recommends_requiring_women_to_register/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/pentagon-recommends-requiring-women-to-register.912213
https://theredarchive.com/post/912213
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Comments

[+]rick74751 points 8 years ago [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

Good, fair is fair, but don't expect many conscripted females to end up in front line infantry. if at all. They will end up taking more rear spots away from men due to lack of strength, so men will have less chance of getting a break from the front line.

[–]oshmkufa2010 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is, should this really happen, women will (hopefully) know what it feels like to have a reason to fear being completely powerless and having the government bitch you around and demanding of you to give up your life if need be. They'll get a taste of actual submission to the system. Right now for them it's just such an abstract concept, in my experience they can't fathom why one would feel cheated if he's subject to the state's mercy in case a war should happen. Their life is not in danger, at least not any more than any given men's life, and certainly not more than the lives of conscripted men (should the time ever come).

Chances are, if women are required to register for the draft, they'll shit their pants so hard, they'll set the process in motion to get the draft abolished altogether. Maybe that's just wishful thinking, but if the draft is ever going to be abolished once and for all, that's probably how it'll happen.

[–]ThatNinaGAL 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

In the situation where we actually need to draft a huge army to fight for our nation's survival, FUCK ANYBODY "GETTING A BREAK." My sons are going to the front lines if that's where they are needed, perhaps along with my daughters who are all naturally athletic. My old ass is going to work 60+ hours/week to fill the gaps left by drafted young people. My mother's ancient ass will be hoisted up out of its rocker to become the primary caregiver for her great-grandchildren. That's how you win a real war - total social mobilization.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When my Grandfather and others whet to war their Wives stayed home to take care of the family.

WAR is a Team Effort. We all have to chip in and give is our all. At least that is how is used to be.

[–]ThatNinaGAL 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My great-grandmother drove an ambulance in NYC. Before Pearl Harbor, she was a wealthy middle-aged woman with a chaffeur to drive her to her ladies' luncheons. Didn't stop her being truly useful in the war effort.

[–]mwobuddy -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My sons are going to the front lines if that's where they are needed, perhaps along with my daughters who are all naturally athletic.

The fact that you didn't pick one of each says you still have a lot of work to do to be a 'good egalitarian feminist'.

[–]ThatNinaGAL 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Picking one" is NOT THE FUCKING POINT OF THE DRAFT. I'm not picking shit. The military will pick, and I would want them to use my children in the most efficient way to save our country. Both of my sons are healthy and strong, and if they are young when WWIII starts, they are likely to be assigned to combat roles. My daughters are also healthy and strong, but they're not exceptional female specimens. I don't want ANY of my kids to go to war, but if we have to fight for our survival, we need to fucking win.

[–]mwobuddy -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

you said "my sons are going perhaps along with my daughters", meaning maybe the daughters get to avoid it. That's a bit sexist.

[–]Arby01 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but the military is volunteer at this point and no-one expects conscription to happen in the foreseeable future - and if it was necessary, what you are suggesting would be what would happen anyways.

[–]Tex623 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Lets have female-only front line units and they can survive or get decimated. After all, we are equal.

This way we could lower the physical requirements for them as they wouldn’t have to be able to carry a 220lb man.

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I approve of this idea. Make some female combat gear, and make female only front line units, and see how it plays out. Women are equal right? Time to step up. But then they'll say this is offensive to women and degrading to say things like this, possibly even 'muh soggy knees!' because you're hoping women get killed or something, in order to red herring counterargue out of the point of the issue.

[–]Tex623 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact we support this is, is sexist. If we say the shouldn’t be in combat, it is sexist. Feminism isn’t about logic, it’s about a narrative.

[–]HardLessontoLearn 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This comment makes me think you've never been near "front line units", nor do you closely know anyone who has. You talk about it like a dumb video game.

[–]metric_units 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

220 lb ≈ 100 kg

metric units bot | feedback | source | hacktoberfest | block | refresh conversion | v0.11.12

[+]1493271 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Slots are slots. If there aren't slots for water cleanliness specialist, or any other useless MOS then women won't get them.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Slots are slots.

That's the way I see it when I go to the bar.

[–]_Thurston_Howell_ 21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Women need to occupy an equal number of graves, coffins, body bags, hospital beds, wheel chairs, crutches and mental health professionals office schedules.

Until then, gender equality does not exist.

[–]ThatNinaGAL 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, there's an interesting twist on the equality-of-outcomes canard.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

if they're so concerned about equity, how about increasing the number of female suicides by bullying or social claims that if they aren't a 'good woman who shits out babies' they're worthless, like how if you aren't 'a good man who makes money and can support a family, you're worthless'.

[–]HardLessontoLearn 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I keep seeing ignorant comments and almost all of them in this thread have your name next to them. At this point, I no longer think the source is ignorance. Something specific happened to you and you're taking your anger out on women as a whole.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Annnd here is prime example number 1, folks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funny how they are not pushing for Gender Equality of Military Admirals/Generals, Etc

[–]Senray 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Fuck that, eliminate selective service!

[–]casmuff 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is the first step on the path towards ending the draft.

Society only cares when it affects women.

[–]Bluebird_North 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There currently is no draft. There is just a requirement that men sign up for selective service. Not doing so can make you ineligible for student loans and financial aid.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not doing so can make you ineligible for student loans and financial aid.

Voting too because its a FELONY to not sign up. Yep, you can be a felon just by refusing to put your name on the bucket list of future body bags.

At least I would've gotten out of jury duty by refusing to sign.

[–]hatefulreason 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

and, as far as i know, voting

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

GOOD !

[–]0vesper0 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

If we're keeping selective service we might as well not limit it by sex or gender.

I'm curious though, what kind of physical condition do you need to be in order to actually be drafted? I assume they spend time training to help build fitness and discipline, but still...Given my current fitness, I wouldn't be able to pass the wildland firefighters pack test. I can't begin to imagine what the military requires.

[–]ThatNinaGAL 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They don't require anything near the level of fitness that wildland firefighters must demonstrate. Being a wildland firefighter is far more dangerous and physically difficult than the vast majority of military positions.

[–]mwobuddy 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL. Well, in some ways you're right. The army is so fat they don't just want bradleys, they NEED them, or their infantry would never get to the combat zone. Too many knee injuries and heart attacks.

[–]0vesper0 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Really? I didn't know that, I kinda expected the opposite. Thank you though for clarifying!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If we're keeping selective service we might as well not limit it by sex or gender.

wait if I claim I think I'm a woman on the inside does that mean I as a biological male don't have to register with selective service?

[–]0vesper0 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's a great question and I wish I had a definitive answer to that. After doing a quick google search I found a site that explains the issue quite well.

In short, the biological sex you were assigned at birth is used to determine whether or not you should be required to sign-up for selective service.

So a person who made a male to female (MTF) transition would have to register for selective service, but a person who made a female to male transition (FTM) would NOT have to register.

If someone else has more insight to this issue feel free to speak up. I'm not familiar with transgender issues or military life, so I'd rather be corrected early on than continue making assumptions.

(Source: http://www.transequality.org/issues/resources/selective-service-and-transgender-people)

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting stuff. It makes total sense though but I'm surprised none of the outspoken "progressives" in modern times address this topic.

Requiring MTF individuals to register is kind of a metaphorical slap in the face reminding them that they're still males. I guess approaching the topic would step on too many toes and just highlight the current draft inequality so feminists and other progressives just ignore it altogether. Typical.

[–]BaconCatBug 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

During a draft, they don't care about fitness, they need bodies to clog the enemies guns.

Of course, you can easily claim you're trans now and avoid it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If USA starts to do this, other countries might follow.

[–]DaneWhitman 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This will be important when Congress begins working on the 2019 NDAA early next year.

[–]BernieSandersgirl101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, maybe I can register when I'm 18.

[–]ThatNinaGAL 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I tried. Didn't accomplish anything beyond pissing off a postal clerk. It's actually an amazing feeling, imagining my daughters being able to perform this routine but integral act of adult citizenship.

[–]BernieSandersgirl101 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hoping to register.

[–]perplexedm 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Now that exoskeletons and robots are in war field, there is no excuse. They should be on front line.

[–]Incident-Pit -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's as far from the truth as you could get. There are zero exoskeletons in operational military service anywhere, same score with "robots." Everyone that has read this comment has become slightly less intelligent because of it.

[–]perplexedm 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_robot#In_current_use

^ already in use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_exoskeleton#Current_products

^ only a matter of very very few years at the max.

[–]_pulsar 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this but based on the subpar performance of mixed gender combat units compared to all-male units, I do have mixed feelings.

If I'm drafted and get sent to war, knowing that mixed gender units do not perform as well, would I be sexist for not wanting to fight alongside women? I don't personally think I would be but I'm sure others disagree.

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