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Norwegian Finance Minister: 'No circumcision ban on my watch'

Oklawolf

June 26, 2017
35 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/231591
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Title Norwegian Finance Minister: 'No circumcision ban on my watch'
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Oklawolf

Upvotes 35
Comments 24
Date June 26, 2017 10:45 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6jole9/norwegian_finance_minister_no_circumcision_ban_on/
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[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

"We in Norway are opposed to any form of anti-Semitism and we will always defend our Jewish community, with which we have an excellent relationship."

Protecting Jewish babies from genital mutilation = "anti-semitism". I guess the Norwegian Nurses Union and doctors all over the country have no rational reason to oppose the practice. They all must just be raging anti-semites.

[–]PatDiddyHam 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"We in Norway". Speak for yourself, bitch

[+]OakQuaffle -16 points-15 points-14 points 9 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

I mean it's part of our religion. I don't have a problem with it, almost all Jewish males are circumcised and I don't see it as "mutilation". Once in a while the operation goes wrong and that is a horrible occurrence. But for millions of people it doesn't effect us.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Almost all Jewish males are circumcised, but how many of them chose to be? Also are you prepared to speak for all Jews when you say "we" don't see it as mutilation?

[–]Yndrd1984 21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't have a problem with it

This isn't about your personal feelings, this is enforcing people's basic right to control their own lives. If you don't get to control what happens to your own sex organs, or what religious symbols are displayed on your body, how can you consider yourself free?

If you stab someone (and they aren't a consenting adult or in clear need of medical treatment) you go to prison. Why is this so complicated? And how do you justify carving out an exception to nearly every single ethical and legal principal we have for this one special case?

[–]Oklawolf[S] 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm curious why you'd want to choose an invasive, non consentual permanent cutting ritual that bears little resemblance to what was originally called circumcision when non cutting alternatives like Brit Shalom are a thing.

Seriously as a Christian preacher's kid, I'd love to know.

[–]Panel2468975 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It really should be noted that traditional circumcision differs significantly from the modern practice.

The circumcision practiced traditionally by the Jews removes a significantly smaller portion of the foreskin, limiting the loss of nerves and not exposing the glands. While there is still moral objections, it is still worth noting. Plus, it gives persons who point out religion as a reason pause.

On a side note, Christians really should not practice circumcisions since the idea is that it signifies the pact between Abraham and his descendants had with god which in Christian mythology, Christ's death absolved them of this burden.

[–]KDulius 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean it's part of our religion.

Killing gays, setting fire to witches and generally being terrible to people not belonging to your religion (your in the second person here, this isn't a comment specific to Judaism) used to all be part of the people's religions.. and then most of the world realised it was a shitty thing to do

[–]codaclouds 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It does not matter if you see it as mutilation or not, that is exactly BY DEFINITION, what it is. You don't have to like it (what sane person would?) but foreskin SERVES A FUNCTION and circumcision removes that function. It does absolutely 100% effect you, but you don't (or won't) see it. Circumcision is body censorship and a form of control. You got screwed and should be pissed like any sane person would be pissed if they had a finger or a piece of their tongue STOLEN.

[–]nocivo 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why take risks? There are some customs that need to die in some religions. The Catholics did kill some in the last century, why can't others.

Just remember that most of this things were started centuries ago when we had limit knowledge.

[–]probably_a_squid 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn't the covenant be more meaningful if it was between God and a consenting adult? A promise doesn't mean anything if you force it on someone.

[–]Mackowatosc 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, you ever experienced anything else than this state? It does affect you, you are just oblivious to the fact. And forcing a child to have its body part removed because "your god" is an atrocity.

[–]puppypuppy78 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not anti-Semitic it's pro human-rights. Babies and children along with the physically and mentally handicapped are the most vulnerable citizens of any society. As such, they deserve the utmost care and respect and the most tenacious effort at the preservation of their human dignity and rights. As the most vulnerable citizens, it is imperative that all rights to their body be unquestionably reserved to themselves upon coming of age, baring immediate medical need. To the Jews: this is not about you or your religion, you are free to think, feel, and worship as you like so long as you don't practice your religion on individuals unable to give informed meaningful consent. Banning ritual circumcision is not anti-Semitic, it is pro human-rights.

[+]HouseElfHaberdashery points 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Be nice if "progressives" weren't the ones trying to make sure genital mutilation stays legal.

[–]omegaphallic 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If a person supports genital mutilation of children they don't deserve to call themselves progressive.

[–]93re2 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Progress Party is a fairly right-wing party. They aren't really "progressive" as the term would normally be used in the US.

[–]feedmecarrots 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Why would the Finance Minister be making this statement?

[–]rg57 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Because foreskins are a profitable business, cutting them off, turning them into creams, even restoring them. Even just the discussion generates a little bit of economic activity.

[–]feedmecarrots 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That is cold. It would be good if this post ends up under his nose.

[–]feedmecarrots 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have to amend that. I looked up the Finance Minister. It is a woman. I am sure she is fine with circumcision.

[–]probably_a_squid 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Erectile dysfunction meds make a pretty penny as well.

[–]Urishima 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The fuck has a finance minister to say about this?

[–]PatDiddyHam 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A Finance minister representing the most pro-Israel party and is also up for reelection in 2 months

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any way to give that person a piece of my mind?

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