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Hysteria In The Air: I Don't Want My Kids Sitting Next To A Man On A Plane

Imnotmrabut

April 7, 2017
52 upvotes
/r/MensRights
http://www.traveller.com.au/i-dont-want-my-kids-sitting-next-to-a-man-on-a-plane-375z6
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Title Hysteria In The Air: I Don't Want My Kids Sitting Next To A Man On A Plane
Author

Imnotmrabut

Upvotes 52
Comments 39
Date April 7, 2017 3:36 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/64148a/hysteria_in_the_air_i_dont_want_my_kids_sitting/
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Comments

[+]Arthas_Greyjoy points 9 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Narrative 1: Majority of pedos are men = i don't want children sitting next to men on planes.

Narrative 2: Majority of terrorist attacks are committed by muslim = i don't want children sitting next to muslims on planes.

For some reason, narrative 2 seems like it would rustle more jimmies that narrative 1 ever could.

[–]mwobuddy 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Well, number 1 is considered to be more true, because data supports that claim currently, and anything sub-18 is considered pedophilia, as in "if they'd bang a 16 year old, they'd probably try to bang my 9 year old".

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/are_all_men_pedophiles/

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if statistics include the fact that most females that have sex with underage males get away with it.

[–]AppaBearSoup 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It does not.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Considering that it has been serially ignored for the last 100 years, because no one took it seriously or believed in it, I doubt those stats are in there.

Furthermore, that's not pedophilia. Age of consent doesn't start or end the 'pedophile line'.

[–]deathdragon5858 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Minors should not be able to ride a plane without an adult escort. Airlines were dumb for allowing it in the first place.

[–]Grand-Poobah -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

i dont think do, parents usually go with them as far as possible and someone picks them up at the other end. i dont see an issue with it.

[–]deathdragon5858 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The issue is, that the airlines are taking full responsibility for a minor on that plane ride. It's insane they even considered it. Even if they charged quadruple price for the ticket, it's not worth the potential liability headaches.

[–]Grand-Poobah 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

what issues would airlines have with minor specifically?

[–]cld8 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure the airlines have calculated the liability and figured out that it is worth it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, and in the air the flight attendants keep an eye on them.

[–]1LtKaiser 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When the plane is going down or there is a disturbance, kids are forgotten. The flight attendant that escorts them to their chair and checks on them now and then, isn't making sure they don't get molested or messed with at all. From the door to the seat from the seat to the door and off to someone else who's there to escort them.

In case of emergency or anything, the flight attendant has her duties. Parents would mind their child, make sure they got off the plane, made sure they could use their meds if an allergic reaction. The flight attendant is too busy to babysit. They stop by now and then.

[–]spcarlin 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

It's so much worse when they make the guy move.

If airlines just checked the kids seat position on record, way before the flight, or just make the seat next to the kid unavailable for selection at check in, they wouldn't have to make a guy move in front of an audience. I'm not saying its right, but no one would be any wiser and men wouldn't have the big Pedo banner over their head when told to move.

[–]Grand-Poobah 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

i feel like that is an ass backwards way to go about it, why not just let kids sit next to men.

[–]spcarlin 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No I agree, but I don't actually think what you suggest will happen. It's not about airlines, its about societies' perception of 'all men', and unfortunately things are not looking good for us if you look at the crap thats drilled into peoples brains in college, or media coverage.

So I'm suggesting a way that the current method airlines use can be modified so that it doesn't have to unnecessarily shame men for no reason. I'm just saying that the men in this article didn't have to go through what they did EVEN THOUGH there's this twisted perception. I guess that these things happen because no one thought to care about men's considerations.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But your way still encourages the biased perception you say you dislike, just at a different level.

[–]spcarlin 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it does yes, but my point is I don't think that we can have what we want, at least not soon, so there are ways to move in the right direction even if we don't go directly to the main goal, any improvement is better than none, I'm just saying the whole thing doesn't have to be as bad as it is.

[–]Stripes1974 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

My response:

"If the child isn't supposed to sit next to a stranger [strange man], then move the child. Ergo, I'm not giving up my seat; put the kid somewhere else."

[–]cld8 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You are required by law to follow crewmember instructions. Taking an attitude like that would likely get you arrested.

[–]Stripes1974 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You seem to be assuming that such is not a reasonable request. It is not unreasonable to tell the airline rep (the steward) to seat the child elsewhere, instead of attempting to make me move.

I stand by my statement.

[–]cld8 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't think the law cares what you think is reasonable. You are required to comply with crewmember instructions, whether or not you agree with them.

Read the CoC. Your seat assignment is not part of the contract, and the airline has the right to move you to another seat at their sole discretion. Provided it's in the same cabin (economy to economy) you are not entitled to any compensation.

[–]Stripes1974 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

And the same follows for any and every other passenger, including children. And if there are other seats available, the suggestion to move a child to a seat that is more accommodating to both them and the passenger (me) that they are trying to move, is not an unreasonable one, and not one that cannot be undertaken.

If it were me, personally, I'd tell them to find another seat to move the child to, first. Regardless of the CoC.

You may be correct about the ideology of compliance with crew members. But there is nothing that says that negotiation isn't "on the table".

[–]cld8 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

And the same follows for any and every other passenger, including children. And if there are other seats available, the suggestion to move a child to a seat that is more accommodating to both them and the passenger (me) that they are trying to move, is not an unreasonable one, and not one that cannot be undertaken.

Once again, you are bringing up "unreasonable". No one cares what you think is reasonable or not. That is not a defense.

You may be correct about the ideology of compliance with crew members. But there is nothing that says that negotiation isn't "on the table".

You can certainly try to negotiate, but you need to make it clear that you are making a request, not a demand. If your request is denied, you need to be prepared to follow instructions.

[–]Stripes1974 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Okay, look... I've been reasonable. You have your opinion about what my behavior should be in such a situation. I don't agree. Let's just agree to disagree.

fini

[–]cld8 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

No problem, nothing wrong with disagreeing. You can behave however you want in this situation. But just be aware that there will potentially be consequences.

[–]Stripes1974 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Enough.

Don't continue this conversation any further.
Leave me be.

[–]Rethgil 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

'Hysteria'.

'Feminism'.

Sorry, I'm confused. What's the difference again?

[–]ThatNinaGAL 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't want my children sitting next to any stranger on a plane. It's close quarters, the kids will be a pain in the neck to the strangers, and who knows - the stranger may be a dangerous person.

THAT'S WHY MY YOUNG CHILDREN DO NOT TRAVEL ALONE. Jesus Christ, who thinks this is acceptable?

[–]ustael 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If her kids plane had to make an emergency landing and no men took it upon themselves to rescue her kids, I am sure she would be writing an article entitled "where have all the good men gone"... Bitch, chivalry is dead and women killed it.

[–]chadwickofwv 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guarantee that men on the plane would be doing everything they can to save the children. The women, however, very few would do anything other than save themselves. Those are our basic instincts.

[–]thrway_1000 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/EgD79

[–]IparryU 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There of course should not be an option, but this is one thing I don't really care about and I would rather not risk if I had no choice but to put my kids on a plane by themselves. But I just wouldn't put them on a plane solo.

But hey, if you are that worried, don't put your kid on a fucking plane/bus by themselves. Everyone is equal... RIGHT?!?!?!?!?

[–]feedmecarrots 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

At some point, there will be conflict and some bewildered, innocent man will be asked to leave the plane.

[–]OnTheSlope 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This was making me wonder, would flight attendants be open to bargaining? The misandry is really insulting but I'd be willing to move for a few free beers. I wonder if they'd agree to that?

[–]cld8 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are required to follow crewmember instructions. They don't need to bribe you, because they can remove you from the flight if you fail to comply. Maybe they will give you a few free beer as a customer service gesture, but you can't demand it.

[–]NigelDuckrag 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't want my children to be seated next to a woman, what if she falsely accused him of rape. After all, statistics show that women are much more likely to falsely accuse people of rape.

[–]warspite88 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

we need tags on people like this so that men will not help or save people like this, let them die in a disaster situation. men dont need to be saving pieces of shit like this if they cant even sit next to kids on some trip.

[–]Rasalom72 -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this works for us, and not against us. As long as this "rule" is in place, men won't have to put up with someone else's kid next to them on a plane if they can avoid it. Seems like a win for us.

Can we also get this to include fat people as well?

[–]Grand-Poobah 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but they make men move, so not only are you inconvenienced, you are treated like some sort of predator purely based on your gender.

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