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Babies made without mothers 'will come sooner than we think', leading scientists warn. It is an interesting idea but one which I am sure will be blocked by feminists.

furchfur

January 11, 2017
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Title Babies made without mothers 'will come sooner than we think', leading scientists warn. It is an interesting idea but one which I am sure will be blocked by feminists.
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furchfur

Upvotes 71
Comments 38
Date January 11, 2017 9:05 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
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Comments

[–]ukreview 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

feminists demand reproductive rights for themselves but always block it for men. Of course they will try to stop it and probably succeed.

[–]AlexReynard 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah. Because Japan doesn't give a shit about feminism and will perfect it regardless.

[–]Xzillerationer 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

feminists demand reproductive rights for themselves but always block it for men.

I mean, that's a bit of a tricky subject, due to the whole "Bodily autonomy" thing.

[–]xNOM 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Kind of weird actually. It means that using this method lesbians will only be able to have biological daughters. Gay men will be able to have biological sons and daughters.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, I'd expect technology to be able to swap out whole chromosomes by this point in time, so I don't think that will be true, except for people who want 100% of the genetic material to come from the parents.

Similarly, if chromosomes are randomly assigned from both parents, there will be a 25% chance that a male homosexual couple's child will come out with YY, which is an unviable combination. Of the zygotes that survive, 2/3rds will be male, and 1/3 female.

[–]PeachyKarl 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What? How would they get a Y chromosome from 2 lesbians that only have X?

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I believe he was referring to homosexual males, not lesbians.

[–]PeachyKarl 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If he was, what is he saying is untrue?

[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

PeachyKarl seemed to be under the impression throwingawayaccount was talking about lesbians, when TAA was talking about gay men, so I clarified things.

[–]PeachyKarl 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

TAA also says men can have daughters an sons, that is not in disagreement with XNom.

Though TAA implies xNOMs statement is untrue in some way? Actually he does in the first part of the comment implying women can make a male if they take a chromosome from a male donor, which is spurious.

xNOM is in no way incorrect, 100% male and female donors is implied in his short comment for both cases. TAA is just being spurious and omegaphallic is confounding it.

[–]xNOM 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Embyro preselection is easy. Making a Y chromosome from scratch is not. The most viable option is probably to add a third (male) parent.

[–]Cannon0006 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

which could be then pumped for child support

[–]Source_or_gtfo 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think due to what this could allow for gay and lesbian couples, feminists will be more likely to support this than the average person.

[–]xNOM 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's possible but who knows.

[–]Rasalom72 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

When women find out that their entire reason for existing is being replaced by technology invented by men...

Sexbots replace them for sex. Male only procreation with artificial wombs for reproduction. What the fuck would we need women for anymore? Maybe with this we can finally put our foot down and tell them to go fuck themselves with their special rights...

[–]contractor808 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You say that, but what else is more tantalizing that swabbing a man and claiming him as the father? The government doesn't want to foot the bill for a single mother.

[–]Need_a_Ladder 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They probably will stop it but they can only halt progress for so long. As the process becomes safer and more viable, I feel like eventually no amount of whining and complaining will stop it. I hope so anyway.

A guy can dream.

[–]rg57 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Warn"?

Warn who? About what? This sounds like great news for single men and gay men, who want to be fathers!

[–]omegaphallic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Any feminist that tries to block this tech will get the slapdown from the GLBT community, and women with fertility issues, so that's likely not to be a serious road block.

Honestly if a dude wants to go it alone with no mother and he has the money he can buy an egg and hire a surrogate mother, then the kids all his alone, so feminists gain literally nothing from opposing this.

[–]gdengine 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link

I personally oppose any effort for people to make babies other than the "old fashion way", for a number of reasons. The main pitfalls I see in the field are designer babies, the possibility of losing diversity in the gene pool, and the potential for drastically unequal ratios of men to women. I mean take the U.S. population right now of 300M. Imagine a world where there are 55% men and 45% women (just for fun). That would mean there would be 30 million mathematically unable to find a mate. The 50/50 balance we have right now is really important to maintain.

Also, I find it fascinating (read fucking retarded) how much effort is going into reproductive science..as though the human population is having trouble reproducing...

[–]xNOM 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

as though the human population is having trouble reproducing...

In the western world, it is. Most developed countries are below replacement fertility rates. Noone is suggesting sub-Saharan Africans will use this.

[–]gdengine 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but it has nothing to do with our ability to reproduce. People are just choosing not to have kids. So there is a difference between not being able to reproduce, of which we have zero problem in that regard, and choosing not to reproduce.

[–]xNOM 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes and no. Women are having children much later. Which is much harder. About 15% of women are completely childless. Also using this technology, 70 yr olds might be able to have children. The fertility window might never close.

Anything which makes having children easier (including childcare subsidies, etc.) increases the fertility rate, in theory.

[–]gdengine 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Correct. I guess my point is that fertility rate aside, we don't NEED more babies. If we want more babies, we could simply cut the supply to birth control, for example. People are out there fucking more than they ever have. World population is skyrocketing, and in countries where the fertility rate is lower, it is because of things like BC, which are choices, that the rate has declined. I'm just saying that humans don't really need these scientific advancements in order to reproduce more, and especially since we all seem to be trying to find ways to produce less. And to add to that, these technologies which are mostly done in the name of making reproduction easier, have serious consequences that could really make things uncomfortable in the future.

[–]Eryemil -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess my point is that fertility rate aside, we don't NEED more babies.

That's like saying "I'm pretty healthy side from this pesky cancer".

If we want more babies, we could simply cut the supply to birth control, for example.

That's a human rights violation.

[–]Kuramo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean take the U.S. population right now of 300M. Imagine a world where there are 55% men and 45% women (just for fun). That would mean there would be 30 million mathematically unable to find a mate.

Have you recently noticed there are gay, asexual and MGTOW men ? And that's not all, but there are men who are not of revolving around a woman, such as me.

[–]gdengine 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for you. But 99% of the population pairs off, like it or not, and having 10s of millions of people unable to do so mathematically will lead to social unrest.

[–]Calliope719 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I'm curious to hear why you think feminists would have an issue with this. I'm personally a feminist (specifically the type that believes in equal rights, equal going both ways). Personally, I think this is pretty cool. Men want to make babies without involving women? Neat, by all means, go for it. One of the long standing issues feminists talk about is the idea that a woman's place is to have children. If you boys just found a way to do it on your own, great. It only helps combat the stereotypes we've been fighting all along. All it does is level the playing field a little more for both men and women. The only issue I'm seeing at the moment is that the article states that a woman would still be needed to act as surrogate, which takes quite a bit more work than donating some dna as far as creating a baby goes. A child created this way would still have a 'mother', even if she didn't donate any dna herself. Let's work on figuring out a way for men to carry a child and give birth, and then you can leave us out of it completely, okay?

[–]itty_bitty_beaver 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm curious to hear why you think feminists would have an issue with this.

Well, there's feminists that are in theory OK with men and childcare, but you don't have to go very far to see some pretty strident, organized and well-funded opposition to 50/50 parenting legislation by organizations like NOW around the country, do you? Similarly, many feminists have big issues with technologies like sex robots or male birth control. In addition, many feminists have issues with masculinity in general, openly raise their boys differently to try and blunt their masculinity, talk about "toxic masculinity" as if it's a disease, etc. Finally, women initiate the vast majority of divorces, all over the western world, so they are already voting with their feet, and don't want men around as partners or as child caregivers badly enough that they are willing to walk way from them.

The pattern is clear. Pretty much everything men do around marriage or children pisses feminists off in some capacity. Why would this be any different? I think you'd be the exception rather than the rule.

[–]Calliope719 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I disagree with your statement that my views are the exception to the norm. The feminists that you're hearing about are the extremists, and most rational people don't agree with their views. After all, you call yourself a men's rights activist - do you believe the extreme views? Like rape being a man's right? That men are biologically superior and women should remain 'in their place' as child caregivers? Feminism at its core really is about actual equality. Don't let the jerks ruin it for everyone.

As far as male birth control goes? We need another option for men, absolutely.

In regards to toxic masculinity, I do believe that's an issue, but it's an issue for both men and women. Attitudes regarding traditional 'manliness' absolutely effect men. Men should be able to express their emotions, care about their children, be under less pressure to be a big muscley manly man, lack of paternity leave, etc. Those are all issues men face because of toxic masculinity. See where I'm going with that?

[–]itty_bitty_beaver 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The feminists that you're hearing about are the extremists, and most rational people don't agree with their views.

And yet they are driving the narrative. I get your concern, but it's not the moderates driving the bus, clearly. "Most" rational people ultimately doesn't mean much when we're inundated daily with pieces slagging on men and masculinity.

Feminism at its core really is about actual equality. Don't let the jerks ruin it for everyone.

You talk as if this is the exception! NOW has millions of members, so when they oppose 50/50 parenting, this is not the exception but the rule. Sure, you want to frame feminism in a positive light, but you have a LOT of work to do in this regard when the largest feminist organization on the planet is firmly opposing equality in parenting.

In my region, DV beds are allocated as such:

  • 226 total beds.
  • 218 reserved solely for women or children.
  • 8 shared between men and women.
  • The 8 shared beds are in rural areas far away from major population centers.

When our major social survey shows roughly a 50/50 split in DV in our province ... the only rational and sane response is to rail against the outrageous skew in our services. While 50/50 should be the goal, our current m.o. clearly has to push away from the 96.5/4.5 split that's currently in place. If you truly are in favour of allocating those beds in any reasonable and fair method, you'd be on board with Men's Rights. Most feminist aren't, clearly, or this would be an issue solved with one bill, and it wouldn't be a 40 year weeping sore, instead.

In regards to toxic masculinity, I do believe that's an issue, but it's an issue for both men and women.

And this is where I can't take you seriously. There's toxic aspects of both masculinity and femininity, but the fact only one is up for discussion is a rather cogent example of how skewed our gender discussion is at the moment. Where are the discussions about why sexual assault sees four times the fraudulent claims as any other violent crime? Clearly, that's one toxic aspect of our current concept of femininity, among others, but it's not even on the table for discussion. I see where you're going with that, but your one-sided attention is just like every feminist I've ever met. Where the attention gets put, and the dollars get spent, and the hours committed ... is firmly in favour of women.

[–]Rasalom72 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's not a mother, that's an incubator. And men don't need to carry a child and give birth, that's why artificial wombs are being invented.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm personally a feminist (specifically the type that believes in equal rights, equal going both ways).

All feminism is based on the assumption that women are oppressed or at least systematically discriminated. Feminism is not, and never has been, about equality, whatever that is. What equality do you believe in, anyway? Equality of opportunity, equality of outcome or legal equality. Each of these ideals excludes the others.

[–]Calliope719 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men being oppressed and women being oppressed are not mutually exclusive concepts. Both sexes face unique issues. As far as what type of equality? I'd say that at least theoretically, equality of opportunity and legal equality should lead to equal opportunity. Do you disagree?

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men being oppressed and women being oppressed

In this context, the feminist axiom is that women are uniquely oppressed and men are the oppressors.

Both sexes face unique issues

In which case equality of opportunity becomes a very subjective matter.

Do I agree with the idea of equal opportunity? Once again, this is a matter of subjective judgement and matters are better left to market forces.

[–]Novashadow115 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Equality of opportunity is biologically impossible though.

[–]autotldr 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 93%. (I'm a bot)


HOW SKIN CELL BABIES ARE MADE The discovery that embryos could be made with skin cells was made at the University of Bath.For the experiment, the scientists started off by creating 'parthenogenote' mouse embryos.

If in future babies can be conceived by injecting ordinary non-egg cells, such as skin cells, with sperm, the ramifications will be huge and highly controversial.

Difficult obstacles would have to be overcome before the parthenogenotes used by the scientists can be replaced with ordinary cells.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Theory | Feedback | Top keywords: cell#1 embryo#2 egg#3 sperm#4 produce#5

[–]chambertlo -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Once again proving that women are technically useless.

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