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Dailybeast hit piece correlates Trump with "attracting the purposely disaffected MRA", MRA to misogynists and interviews Daryush “Roosh” Valizadeh as our spokes-person.

oshout

March 27, 2016
77 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://archive.is/sBTtQ
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Title Dailybeast hit piece correlates Trump with "attracting the purposely disaffected MRA", MRA to misogynists and interviews Daryush “Roosh” Valizadeh as our spokes-person.
Author

oshout

Upvotes 77
Comments 29
Date March 27, 2016 2:42 AM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4c434m/dailybeast_hit_piece_correlates_trump_with/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/dailybeast-hit-piece-correlates-trump-with.953207
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Comments

[–]chocoboat 19 points20 points21 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Imagine if the media was this uninformed about politics. Suppose Trump goes out and gives his "build a wall" speech and his supporters cheer it.

In the newspaper the next day: "Sanders and the Democratic Party Support Building A Wall". You correct them on their completely misinformed bullshit and their response is "whatever, it's an older man who talks about political issues like immigration, it's the same thing".

The media is actually that incompetent when it comes to gender issues. They do make a minimum effort to avoid blatant inaccuracy in politics just because they've learned they'll get public backlash for incompetence in that area.

So-called men’s rights activists applauded

I can see their excuses now. "See, technically this isn't inaccurate! We called them MRAs, so that makes it accurate to name them as so-called MRAs."

[–]lasciate 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They spew misinformation constantly, whether it be through mistakes, "mistakes", half-truths, faulty conclusions, propaganda, biased story choice, shill editorials, etc. You notice the blatant lies mistakes about the MRM because you're educated on the subject. If you're knowledgeable about other subjects you start to notice the sheer amount of bullshit, obfuscation, advocacy, and manipulation that masquerades as free, unbiased press. That holds true from the Scientology newsletter up to the NYT.

[–]Nucktuck_ 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I thought Roosh specifically didn't see himself as an MRA?

[–]soalone34 22 points23 points24 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He doesn't. He's written articles criticizing MRA's, in every interview he has he says he's not an MRA. If you google Roosh V MRA the first result is an article he wrote where he says he isn't an MRA, and the rest of the results are news articles calling him an MRA.

[–]rg57 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We live in a world where any fool with a keyboard can be called "journalist" on a "news" site.

I'm betting there's not just a few people who might like to see the days of Dan Rather (who I picked specifically as the least competent of his time) come back.

[–]Deansdale 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

After we fucked him over he wrote a blog post saying he'll call himself an MRA from then on just to reciprocate our kindness.

[–]sillymod 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He fucked himself over. No one here did anything to him.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats a load of shit and you know it. Roosh is attacked here almost as frequently as at feminist blogs.

[–]Lrellok 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Apparetnly MGTOW now has un-named spokemen.

[–]Deansdale 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

spokes-person

You mean spokesman? Drop the retarded feminist newspeak, please.

Yeah, the daily beast is trash, just like any other publication on the regressive left. They lie about their political opponents with reckless abandon. What MRAs should realize here is that regressives lie about Roosh just the same as they're lying about us. We should probably stop the infighting in the manosphere and join forces to beat our real enemies - we can restart the infighting after we've won the war.

[–]oshout[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Drop the retarded feminist newspeak, please.

We should probably stop the infighting

I realize the subject is a man, but spokes person is a valid definition.

If someone called you a spokeswoman, would you not think about it? It not inconvenient to replace my verbiage: it's considerate and energy efficient (mentally and in presentation, I've saved tons of energy, not just with this example).

It's not mandatory for MRA to oppose every aspect of feminism or progress.

An interesting thought; whereas I would react, "I don't care if my son play's with girls dolls" you would likely react, "my son isn't playing with girls dolls."

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Man already means person. People who are offended by these sorts of things are simply advertising their ignorance.

[–]oshout[S] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

I received this as a forward from a friend. I hope /mr can be rational in pulling it apart.

I told my friend that the guy didn't speak for the MRA movement, I explained how redpill was different. That this was a hit piece, biased and on a mission. I explained the wage gap being a contended or flat out wrong bit of info which Bernie continually campaigned on. And that it wasn't likely that Trump's campaign kicked out those black students pre-emptively- he hadn't done it in past or present, the student's stories had changed and the police clammed up when pressed for more answers- with a link to a review of the Valdosta students being pre-emptively removed.

I was on the fence about linking to archive.is - it seemed like garbage content and that it shouldn't be rewarded, but also I wanted people who searched for discussions on this article to find it.

Maybe the original link will help link this conversation to that article.

[–]Sasha_ 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Just tell your friend it's a rag for yellow publication that lies all the time.

[–]sillymod -4 points-3 points-2 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, use racist comments. Smart thinking. You are a genius.

Hmm, learn something new every day...

[–]zaiguy 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you serious, or do you seriously not know what "yellow journalism" means?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yellow journalism has nothing to do with a racial slur. The etymology has to do with the yellow ink used in a popular comic strip that was featured in newspapers with a reputation for sensational and shoddy journalistic practices.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"Hey everybody thats never heard of me before, i came to your defense today. Someone else you dont give a fuck about said Roosh was one of you, and i explained how much better....how much more politically correct the misunderstood MRM is than those awful PUAs. Here, let me play on your petty jealousies to drive another wedge into the manosphere...you know...to show how different you MRAs are...how much 'better' you are. Wont you join me in condemning thought criminals...er...Puas?"

The sad thing is, too many people here are too stupid to see through this kind of shit...

[–]oshout[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

The difference between thinking men get fucked (discriminated against) on a judicial and societal level and face different levels of expectations and actions; and tricking women by manipulating your personality & actions in a desperate bid to get them to sleep/interact with you are WORLDS apart.

To not draw a distinction between the two because they're both operated by men or seek to redress discrimination is a disservice to the MRM and allows PUA jackoffs to play their BS as acceptable to the wider group or under an umbrella of MRM - which it is not.

That you've never heard of me doesn't discredit my proposition, opinion, nor content.

The article was obvious trash and worthy of being talked about because it's what's being presented repeatedly by others, as it related to MRM.

The MRM is not at all related to PUA, it's that simple.

I hope people can see through your conformist-thought shit. MRM should constantly distance themselves from PUA if your train of thought is common - I had no idea the two were commonly conflated by supporters- I'm going to try to participate more in /r/mr to draw distinctions from it, now.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

When you dont understand something, you are better served to keep quiet and learn. The Red Pill is a phrase the entire manosphere adopted...even if the hard-left MRAs dont like it. And PUAs study psychology of sexual relationships, and how women think. I get that such things have no relevance in your life, but how you cant see strategic value in such a thing is beyond me.

Actually, it isnt. Youre One Good Man. Thats all that matters..amirite?

[–]oshout[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

"the red pill" was a phrase I noticed becoming common nomenclature reluctantly adopted by the "manosphere" (really?) after Cassie Jaye advertised her awkwardly named movie, "The red pill, down the rabbit hole of gender politics"

But the term redpill is more aptly, and originally, correlated to the PUA group known as "the red pill" and as such, shouldn't be correlated with MRM. I believe /r/theredpill was a subreddit before /r/mensrights. I strongly disagree that /r/theredpill or PUA are at all in the same vein as mensrights, except in the broad contexts of furthering men's power or perhaps addressing social inequalities (though in vastly different realms and methodologies).

The movie's title and /r/theredpill mean the term in the matrix sense; but, whereas the first seeks to out-doctrinate conformists, the second seeks to introduce its participants into a new paradgym in which they are better prepared to take advantage of women.

even if the hard-left MRAs dont like it.

Assumptions.

And PUAs study psychology of sexual relationships, and how women think. I get that such things have no relevance in your life, but how you cant see strategic value in such a thing is beyond me.

If you have to study pick up moves so you can figure out how to make a woman like you, something has gone wrong. It's like taking a class on cheating/misrepresenting so you can pass your test and get your degree.

If one is looking to become a better person, I suppose they'd be in /r/selfimprovement /r/getmotivated /r/fitness /r/bjj, nofap, etc. Manipulating others (PUA) to satisfy base desires isn't the same as MRA

I'll stay curt, because you're right, I don't get it -- I think that a distinction absolutely should be continuously drawn between PUA and MRM. It should not be a lazy correlation which taints the MRM and gives platform/justification to PUA.

Our conversation has motivated me to do more.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The term 'Red Pill' originated in 2009, by an article written by Hawaiian Libertarian called "Game is the Red Pill". Cassie Jaye is way late to that party. Also, 'Take the Red Pill' was a tag line for AVfM for years.....so, theres that.

As for your contention that any guy that needs to learn about the actual nature of women in this world full of PC lies is some kind of loser is flat out ridiculous. Aside from the obvious arguments that, for example, that must mean any woman that learns to apply makeup, or goes to the gym to be fit and attractive, is also a total loser....you seem to contend anyone not naturally a certain type deserves to be incel. Are you really that much of a bastard, or am i misreading?

One thing i see, though, is you are driven by fear of looking bad. Of guilt by association. And that alone tells me all i need to know about your true value as an MRA.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Wait a second...whats with the assumption MRAs dont support Trump? Im not American, but i can still see poll data....Trump has the support of record numbers of people. Some of whom frequent ths board.

The hard left moderators would do well to police the leftsts in their posturing here to the same degree they do the right...

[–]FromTheFarSouth 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

As a Latin American MRA, I despise Donald Trump. When he says that most Mexicans immigrants are "rapists", he couldn't be further from the truth and he's doing exactly what feminists do.

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah. Well, personally i like the guy. And i think the people calling 'racist' are full-of-shit SJWs.

Funnh how people can have different perspectives, hey?

[–]FromTheFarSouth 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Where are you from?

[–]Pornography_saves_li 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Canada.

[–]TheDude41 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

a

[–]Pornography_saves_li -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are dancing to the MSM tune. Stop it.

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