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teen love

January 15, 2023
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Crosspost "The importance of teen love is underrated." from /r/PurplePillDebate:

"Adolescent romance is an important developmental marker for adolescents’ self-identity, functioning and capacity for intimacy." (Price et al., 2016)

A meta-analysis in 2019 byGómez-López et al. of over 100 research articles published over the last three decades proved that romantic relationships during adolescence made them happier,feel more satisfied with their lives, have fewer problems with mental and physical illness, show greater positive affect, and have better levels of self-esteem than single people. Romantic relationships also reduced symptoms of depression and anxiety and improved decision-making."Modeling analysis showed romantic relationships as a predictor of psychological well-being, having a positive link with positive interpersonal relationships and with life development".

"Adolescent romantic relationships promote lower rates of alienation and isolation, a better self-image, better future expectations, higher levels of self-esteem, and a greater level of commitment in later relationships."(Viejo et al., 2015)

Carver et al. (2003), Collins, (2003), Collins et al. (2009), Zimmer-Gembeck et al. (2006), Price et al. (2016), Connolly and McIsaac (2011), and Furman et al. (1999) all express the profound importance of teenage relationships, and how being unable to fulfill biological desires produce significant mental and physical harm in the long-term, and how it affects relationships during adulthood.

Till and Niederkrotenthaler (2022) explain that romantic and sexual relationships are "an essential and integral factor" that increases happiness, personal satisfaction, mental and physical health, and satisfies needs for social integration and support. Romantic and sexual relationships also reduce the risk of cardiovascular illnesses, suicidal ideation and behaviour, depression, and stress.

Adolescence is when a person is truly desired for whom they really are and not what they can provide, without factors like a job, living alone, having money / a place of their own / a vehicle, etc. coming into play.

Getting validation in one's formative years that one is sexually attractive positively affects self-esteem, self-worth, and self-confidence. It provides an incentive to keep improving oneself, and frees up one's mind to focus on other things.


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Title teen love
Author no_bling_just_ding
Upvotes 5
Comments 55
Date January 15, 2023 8:18 PM UTC (2 months ago)
Subreddit /r/AllPillDebate
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[–]PublicLobbyists1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

Just need to restore patriarchy

90% marriage rate in 1950, late teens/early 20s age of marriage

[–]NotARussianBot1984 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah just end welfare. Let the single moms to Criminal Chads starve on the streets or beg betas for money.

What is the fucking point of beta bucks if govt steals their money and gives it to women knocked up by Chad. Fuck if I was a woman, I'd chase Chad too based on the system.

Change the fucking system, stop taxing 40% of my income!

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let the single moms to Criminal Chads starve on the streets or beg betas for money.

Great idea. Triple the population of non-dominant males being stripped for resources in divorce court after a 5+ year sexless marriage and/or being cheated on. No way that can go wrong for men or society in general. /s

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee[S] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

yes let's return from 2023 gynocentrism to 1950 gynocentrism and be a betabuck jfl

[–]PublicLobbyists1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

What would you suggest?

[–]no_bling_just_ding1 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

for others? coping

for myself? smith and wesson

[–]PublicLobbyists1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

So there's literally no combination of arrangements that would satisfy you lol

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

there is and i am rational about the odds of entering into such an arrangement

[–]MegaGigaTeraBased -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A combination of arrangements that would satisfy me is the destruction of modern feminism and changing women's hypergamous nature.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL nailed it!

[–]hutavan 3 points4 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Briefly skimming through these and I already know it's gonna be suifuel. Still I'm gonna save the post for later because so many woke redditors claim teen romance is detrimental for development and that it's been proven by studies. As usual, no fucking clue where they come up with these ideas, but there they are.

[–]TsugaC 2 points3 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Who claims that teen romance is unhealthy? The only people I’ve seen claim they teenagers shouldn’t be dating are ultra conservative types.

[–]MegaGigaTeraBased 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Whenever a teenager posts about their frustrations with being a KHHV incel, all the replies are telling them is "you shouldn't be dating at 17 anyway", "being a 19 year old virgin is normal/perfectly fine", etc.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

well having sex before you're old enough to consent is definitely not a good idea but being an outcast in your teens fucks you up for a long time i can say that for myself

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m pretty sure those people were either raised in conservative environments or didn’t have the social presence themselves to date and don’t want anyone else to have fun, either.

Having said that, it is perfectly fine for some people to wait until they are older for sex because not everyone is mature enough to take precautions against unwanted pregnancy or has parents who will help them if they wind up in trouble.

And I don’t know what KHHV means.

[–]TOitneverbegun -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lurk moAr

[–]debatelord_1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

khhv

Kissless handheldless hugless virgin

It's old 4chan lingo.

[–]hutavan 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

In my case it's mostly been progressive anti-incel redditors like IT, IIA, doogy fans, etc. Maybe some ultra conservatives would think that, but you won't find them in these circles. It's hard to believe you never saw it considering you're a regular poster here (which is a bit of an obscure reddit), but apparently you also don't see "looks don't matter" types either. Maybe you just need to lurk reddit more before you can have valuable input here ngl.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Homies will tell a 30 year old virgin "you're still so young, OP. Just focus on becoming a billionaire and women will come. I know a guy who lost his virginity at 68, don't give up!"

[–]TsugaC1 points [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you just need to lurk reddit more before you can have valuable input here ngl.

Yeah, maybe. Kinda thought that my real life experience working for years with disaffected men gave me some insight. I’m definitely not “anti-incel”. Not pro, either. I want frustrated, lonely people to succeed and make connections with people who care about them.

[–]hutavan 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

Someone here mentions a common everyday talking point on social media and 99% of people who join in on discussion know what they're talking about, but then you're like "Whaaat? That doesn't happen, who ever says that?" lol

There's literally comments like that in the original PPD post. Yes, right under the studies that tells them that idea is wrong there are people claiming "nah, teen love is bad for your health". It's defended even more when it isn't on a post that literally proves them wrong, but here are some top comments that say this: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/10co68r/the_importance_of_teen_love_is_underrated/

Looking back it (teen love) was the dumbest shit. On what basis did my high school sweetheart think we should get married? We need to stop teaching hetero people to play house at such a young age

Ugh. I did not date in high school and I am so damn happy I didn't.

You can have someone who doesn't have romance/dates until later in life but because they had a rich social life in other ways they don't experience as much of a detriment.

(Even though the study talked specifically about sexual validation: "Getting validation in one's formative years that one is sexually attractive positively affects self-esteem, self-worth, and self-confidence.")

Also you "worked with disaffected men" in what way?

[–]TsugaC 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t mean it doesn’t happen, I asked who makes these claims. I was chastised harshly by someone in this sub for admitting I was in a relationship and having sex in high school, so I was surprised by the OP.

I feel strongly that high school is when and where people should be developing a social sphere and relationships with the opposite sex.

I teach an intro level class for students in my field which is unfortunately filled with tech majors who choose the course as Biology for non-science majors. Fully half of my classes are woman-hating, socially isolated (at least at school; I suspect all have a rich internet presence) 18-20 year old men who attempt to shoehorn pop evolutionary psychologists into every discussion.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee[S] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

i dont know if you are hinting at me here but im not a slut shamer and did not call you a bad person i pointed out that under the age of consent it's not a wise idea to be sexually active which is a very specific thing and a standard i hold for both sexes because i know how it ended poorly for a lot of people i knew offline and online. here are a few examples:

-kid from my neighborhood, banged in his mom's flat in his teens. ended up facing a rape trial because the other party didn't like to be known for having consented to it even though she was the one who kept coming back to his place in broad daylight.

-woman younger than me, still in high school. state of ny and i knew her for a number of years. got p&d'ed and she regretted it. could have been worse if she had gotten STDs or a pregnancy.

-this if you want to believe it's real (i am not pro-life)

[–]TsugaC 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

I wasn’t hinting, it’s in our post histories. As far as consent, my boyfriend was one year older and having sex was my idea. At 15 I was all over him every chance we were alone. But I was a very responsible teenager. I’d been babysitting since 13, in ballet and piano and making perfect grades for years. And my boyfriend at the time was also responsible and smart. For us, it was fine. And in my circles, every one of our friends were also behaving but having sex at the earliest opportunity.

 

Most of our parents knew we were all sexually active, and most of us were on birth control in high school either because we drove ourselves to the health department or because savvy parents took their daughters and sons to get birth control.

The near constant claim by the manosphere that women cry rape when they regret a sexual encounter isn’t a thing which happens. That is fearmongering written as a reactionary response to demands for enthusiastic consent before sex.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

it's in our post histories

what's in mine? harsh chastizing? i have nothing to hide, i didn't delete anything i said on that thread.

For us, it was fine. And in my circles, every one of our friends were also behaving but having sex at the earliest opportunity.

okay i concede you were a different case but your 15 year old self isn't what most people picture when they imagine "a teenager" and you were absolutely not average

and by the way it's not my claim about rape accusations it's something i witnessed not something i learned from manospherians. ive seen feminists who think they should be able to retroactively withdraw consent and women that abuse the term rape to encompass "any sexual activity i didnt like after it was done"

[–]TsugaC 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Working part time, participating in sports, dance, cheer, and other extracurricular activities is absolutely normal in the US, and those things require good grades and self-discipline. Most teenagers in the US are having sex, and most aren’t getting pregnant or charged with statutory rape.

feminists who think they should be able to retroactively withdraw consent

They do not. They advocate for withdrawing consent at any point during sexual activity. It’s acceptable for anyone to stop at any point.

[–]MegaGigaTeraBased 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely brutal suifuel. I'm graduating high school this year and have gotten zero validation in my formative years so far. At this point I can already see myself becoming a 30 year old KHHV

[–]OberOst 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

yOu dOn'T nEeD sOmEoNe tO bE hApPy, BrO!

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

this is useless advice

[–]OberOst 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's condescending, insincere, and false. Typical bluepill fare.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Bro teens need to be encouraged to form long term relationship that's how they learn relationship skills. I am fucking tired of the pessemistic losers who keep asserting their ideology and experience as absolute truths. I just hate pessemistic people in general they are the bane of our existence

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Bro teens need to be encouraged to form long term relationship that's how they learn relationship skills

Did you date in your teen years?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

No I have not but I know the bullshit they perpetuate is a lie and self full filling prophecy. Hello again Glad I am the Tamil dude

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hello again Glad I am the Tamil dude

Oh jeez,you again lol

How many accounts you have yet?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

27 still counting, I really need to delete reddit for good it's making me more misogynistic unfortunately. That's because of the women on here not the men surprisingly

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

27 still counting

But why?

I really need to delete reddit for good it's making me more misogynistic unfortunately.

You are just learning truth about women I guess

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

My OCD and other impulsive behavior disorders I think. Reddit is reliable way to get angry and I want to feel angry because I struggle with my emotional numbness. I also want to protect my culture and beliefs.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see.Let out all your anger if you want

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]zastale 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Based.

[–]RatDontPanicAverage Unfrustrated Chump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Patriarchy isn't the solution. It only ever worked somewhat when we removed thousands or millions of men from the dating pool by means of huge wars, wars we can no longer afford in the era of nuclear weapons.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

So you'all saying teens should date compulsory?

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i didnt say any shoulds

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

i was bullied for being ugly as a teen girl

[–]inkvellian1984 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Probably a landwhale tbh.

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

[–]inkvellian1984 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You said AS a teenager. I'm assuming you were talking past tense as in you're no longer one. Unless you're weird and like talking about yourself in past tense for some reason.

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I had a similar body to this

[–]inkvellian1984 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah tbh I don't believe you then, as long as you're normal weight you'll always have male attention even if you have an ugly face. You just don't like the male attention you got because it wasn't coming from chads but men you found unattractive, admit it.

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, i was literally asexual at that point and got bullied to depression

[–]inkvellian1984 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

No such thing as being "asexual" human beings by evolutionary design are meant to be sexual cause we are animals that are suppose to have offspring. Sounds more like a mental disability in which case I'm sad for you 🙏

[–]puririnpa 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Low iq, im saying i wasn't even interested in relationships or sex then.

[–]inkvellian1984 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I know, mental disability 🙏😔

[–]zastale 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go to a gym and snag a pretty boy.

[–]no_bling_just_dingself-aware MSTOW / i like my pill the way i like my coffee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

i am very sorry about this

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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