Discussion about the Black pill.

Exis007 · 2023-02-11T13:46:20+00:00

So, if you believe the redpill--and you shouldn't--the blackpill is kind of the logical continuation of the thought. I use the word 'logical' there verrrry loosely. The redpill posits that 80% of women are attracted to 20% of men, that they will be sexually attracted to some men because of their alpha qualities but will accept low-quality mates for security after a point in their lives, and that all women are like this because it's biologically entrenched. There are evolutionary drives in women to do this, and the redpill argues that if you want to be successful with women you have to understand that drives and change your game to be strategically compatible with the reality of women. The blackpill accepts all of that as fact, but then asks the question about what fate is left for the men who, for whatever reason, can't or won't adjust to the reality? The blackpill posits that there must be some group of men at the bottom who lost the genetic lottery so badly that they are never going to be competitive even with this insider knowledge, and that they are never going to be able to change themselves to be 'alpha' and thus attractive. The best they can hope for, they imagine, is either a life without sex or companionship or a security-based 'beta buxx' match with a woman past her prime. And since this is all based in biological essentialism, meaning the body is the site of the decision since women are biologically programmed this way (or so they claim) and these men are biologically inferior (or so they claim), there's no real fighting the system. Your body is your body, and the body determines the outcome, so you're basically left with the set of cards you were dealt at birth and there's no changing it.

That's an explanation within the ideology. Let's talk about what's really happening in, you know, reality since the ideology is garbage.

Blackpill and redpill content is, primarily, a gift. The money isn't always coming out of your pocket ala "Pay for my classes, my VIP club, my face-rating" but instead of out addiction to advertised content that generates money for the content producer. It is designed to hook you in and get you to watch hours and hours and hours of content. This is an algorithmic wet dream, so the content gets a lot of preferential treatment in sites that use algorithms as it gets lot of views and high engagement and thus it gets pushed out to a wide base of users who they believe to be men based on data. And the 'match' that will be made is that men who are feeling pessimistic or frustrated or hopeless about dating will probably get thrown pilled content on some platform and some portion of them will get hooked.

There's an addictive loop to content that makes you mad, makes you fearful, and then soothes those two feelings. Qanon does this a lot. "Vaccines are poison (fear), they stole the election (anger), but [insert politician here] has a secret plan to out the cabal and bring military justice and keep us all safe and free (soothing)". Red and blackpill content uses this same loop. Here are statistics on infidelity or paternity fraud or divorce, be mad about it. Here's a diatribe about why women won't fuck short guys, be fearful and afraid it means you're never going to feel love. In the redpill, that soothing turn is to say, "But don't worry, you can follow our plan of self-improvement to cheat the system and get women and be happy". In the blackpill, that soothing message is more along the lines that it is totally fine to stop trying. The redpill offers proactive solutions that you can use to overcome. The blackpill soothes with the notion that you don't have to try, it's over, you can relax and just play 12 hours of league of legends in your room every day because you can't do anything about it. This bifurcates two groups of men who are coming to youtube or whatever depressed, lonely, and upset about dating. Some of them want solutions and they have one set of content. Some of them are struggling too much for solutions. Their social anxiety or their depression is too high, they are too geographically isolated, they've faced too much trauma, or for whatever other reason they want to stop. They want to be told it is okay to quit trying because they can't change the outcome.

And since loneliness is a driving force to being hooked on this content in the first place, one added bonus is that you can find a community of people who have also taken this in and who will be your friends in online spaces. That's important to the grift, too. Because this isn't a message you hear once and then you just accept it and go on with your life secure in the knowledge. You have to keep listening, keep watching the videos, reading the blogs, taking in the content. You need to be surrounded by people who are in agreement with the content and who will rehash and support you in agreeing that this is right and true. So people join social enclaves (discord, subreddits, whatever else) and gain a social group dedicated to this content. The tiniest bit of critical thinking will break the shelf on the ideology because it was poorly crafted and, you know, bullshit to begin with. So you need to keep coming back to places where you'll find content that reinforces your worldview. It's also worth mentioning that the anger-fear-soothing loop is SUPER ADDICTIVE. This is fucked up but functional kind of emotional regulation. When you encounter experiences that make you fearful or angry in real life, you can turn the "friends" you have online (either parasocial youtube personalities or members of your group) to channel those uncomfortable feelings through the content and achieve a kind of peace. It becomes a huge support system in the mental health of people who are down the rabbit hole and one of the main challenges of leaving is learning to use new and different emotional regulation structures, which can be a steep learning curve.

People want to fight it using the ideas. They think if they just argue well, this will be over for people. The problem isn't that the ideas are great and sound. The problem is the emotional loop people find themselves in. It mimics a lot of the patterns within abusive relationships. It borrows a fair bit from BITE models of high control groups. But you can do it all from your phone in your own living room which is what makes it so terribly dangerous. It's absolutely devastating to the emotional landscape of an individual, and it's usually targeting people without great emotional resources in the first place, so climbing out of the hole is pretty fucking difficult. It's sad, really.

Naus1987 · 2023-02-11T15:07:01+00:00

I don’t know too much about the black pill, but it sounds a lot like nihilism. Which means if can have a positive or a negative spin to it. Depending on the person.

For example, with nihilism, the negative is

“Nothing matters, so why do anything? Why bother?” Emo depressed stuff.

And the positive version of nihilism is

“Nothing matters, so therefore I’m free to do anything!” Don’t have to follow social constructs or shame or be burdened by guilt or peer pressure. If nothing matters, then you could play video games your whole life, because you’re not destined to do anything important — so just make the most of it. Have fun!

I feel like black pill leads people to believe nothing matters, because relationships are too hard. So then they have to decide which direction to go. To embrace the joys of freedom. Or to wallow in the misery of feeling worthless.

And as always, one of my favorite Fight Club quotes.

“It’s only when you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.”

Men would ask women out more if they weren’t afraid of shame or anxiety. People would chase their goals if they weren’t afraid of failing.

If you have nothing to lose, you can only go up!

SweelFor- · 2023-02-11T04:45:10+00:00

This is as interesting as someone who wants to have a "genuine conversation" about astrology

Sabrepill · 2023-02-11T07:47:31+00:00

All of the pills are loosely based on harsh truths and realities which are then exaggerated, and taken to an extreme. Then they come to ridiculous conclusions

But if you’re to look at the pills from a clear lens, there is much wisdom to be gained from all of them. Even the blue pill

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leandrot · 2023-02-11T13:37:32+00:00

It's an ideology that takes some scientific studies saying "people with X traits are less succesful in love", add in some unproven assumptions (like independence of the previous studies) and exaggerate a lot to get to the conclusion that "failure in love is deterministic".

Naus1987 · 2023-02-11T15:07:08+00:00

I don’t know too much about the black pill, but it sounds a lot like nihilism. Which means if can have a positive or a negative spin to it. Depending on the person.

For example, with nihilism, the negative is

“Nothing matters, so why do anything? Why bother?” Emo depressed stuff.

And the positive version of nihilism is

“Nothing matters, so therefore I’m free to do anything!” Don’t have to follow social constructs or shame or be burdened by guilt or peer pressure. If nothing matters, then you could play video games your whole life, because you’re not destined to do anything important — so just make the most of it. Have fun!

I feel like black pill leads people to believe nothing matters, because relationships are too hard. So then they have to decide which direction to go. To embrace the joys of freedom. Or to wallow in the misery of feeling worthless.

And as always, one of my favorite Fight Club quotes.

“It’s only when you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.”

Men would ask women out more if they weren’t afraid of shame or anxiety. People would chase their goals if they weren’t afraid of failing.

If you have nothing to lose, you can only go up!

Naus1987 · 2023-02-11T15:07:16+00:00

I don’t know too much about the black pill, but it sounds a lot like nihilism. Which means if can have a positive or a negative spin to it. Depending on the person.

For example, with nihilism, the negative is

“Nothing matters, so why do anything? Why bother?” Emo depressed stuff.

And the positive version of nihilism is

“Nothing matters, so therefore I’m free to do anything!” Don’t have to follow social constructs or shame or be burdened by guilt or peer pressure. If nothing matters, then you could play video games your whole life, because you’re not destined to do anything important — so just make the most of it. Have fun!

I feel like black pill leads people to believe nothing matters, because relationships are too hard. So then they have to decide which direction to go. To embrace the joys of freedom. Or to wallow in the misery of feeling worthless.

And as always, one of my favorite Fight Club quotes.

“It’s only when you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.”

Men would ask women out more if they weren’t afraid of shame or anxiety. People would chase their goals if they weren’t afraid of failing.

If you have nothing to lose, you can only go up!

Naus1987 · 2023-02-11T15:07:32+00:00

I don’t know too much about the black pill, but it sounds a lot like nihilism. Which means if can have a positive or a negative spin to it. Depending on the person.

For example, with nihilism, the negative is

“Nothing matters, so why do anything? Why bother?” Emo depressed stuff.

And the positive version of nihilism is

“Nothing matters, so therefore I’m free to do anything!” Don’t have to follow social constructs or shame or be burdened by guilt or peer pressure. If nothing matters, then you could play video games your whole life, because you’re not destined to do anything important — so just make the most of it. Have fun!

I feel like black pill leads people to believe nothing matters, because relationships are too hard. So then they have to decide which direction to go. To embrace the joys of freedom. Or to wallow in the misery of feeling worthless.

And as always, one of my favorite Fight Club quotes.

“It’s only when you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.”

Men would ask women out more if they weren’t afraid of shame or anxiety. People would chase their goals if they weren’t afraid of failing.

Naus1987 · 2023-02-11T15:07:44+00:00

I don’t know too much about the black pill, but it sounds a lot like nihilism. Which means if can have a positive or a negative spin to it. Depending on the person.

For example, with nihilism, the negative is

“Nothing matters, so why do anything? Why bother?” Emo depressed stuff.

And the positive version of nihilism is

“Nothing matters, so therefore I’m free to do anything!” Don’t have to follow social constructs or shame or be burdened by guilt or peer pressure. If nothing matters, then you could play video games your whole life, because you’re not destined to do anything important — so just make the most of it. Have fun!

I feel like black pill leads people to believe nothing matters, because relationships are too hard. So then they have to decide which direction to go. To embrace the joys of freedom. Or to wallow in the misery of feeling worthless.

And as always, one of my favorite Fight Club quotes.

“It’s only when you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.”

Naus1987 · 2023-02-11T15:07:55+00:00

I don’t know too much about the black pill, but it sounds a lot like nihilism. Which means if can have a positive or a negative spin to it. Depending on the person.

For example, with nihilism, the negative is

“Nothing matters, so why do anything? Why bother?” Emo depressed stuff.

And the positive version of nihilism is

“Nothing matters, so therefore I’m free to do anything!” Don’t have to follow social constructs or shame or be burdened by guilt or peer pressure. If nothing matters, then you could play video games your whole life, because you’re not destined to do anything important — so just make the most of it. Have fun!

I feel like black pill leads people to believe nothing matters, because relationships are too hard. So then they have to decide which direction to go. To embrace the joys of freedom. Or to wallow in the misery of feeling worthless.

And as always, one of my favorite Fight Club quotes.

“It’s only when you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.”

Naus1987 · 2023-02-11T15:08:19+00:00

I don’t know too much about the black pill, but it sounds a lot like nihilism. Which means if can have a positive or a negative spin to it. Depending on the person.

For example, with nihilism, the negative is

“Nothing matters, so why do anything? Why bother?” Emo depressed stuff.

And the positive version of nihilism is

“Nothing matters, so therefore I’m free to do anything!” Don’t have to follow social constructs or shame or be burdened by guilt or peer pressure. If nothing matters, then you could play video games your whole life, because you’re not destined to do anything important — so just make the most of it. Have fun!

I feel like black pill leads people to believe nothing matters, because relationships are too hard. So then they have to decide which direction to go. To embrace the joys of freedom. Or to wallow in the misery of feeling worthless.

And as always, one of my favorite Fight Club quotes.

“It’s only when you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.”

Naus1987 · 2023-02-11T15:08:29+00:00

I don’t know too much about the black pill, but it sounds a lot like nihilism. Which means if can have a positive or a negative spin to it. Depending on the person.

For example, with nihilism, the negative is

“Nothing matters, so why do anything? Why bother?” Emo depressed stuff.

And the positive version of nihilism is

“Nothing matters, so therefore I’m free to do anything!” Don’t have to follow social constructs or shame or be burdened by guilt or peer pressure. If nothing matters, then you could play video games your whole life, because you’re not destined to do anything important — so just make the most of it. Have fun!

I feel like black pill leads people to believe nothing matters, because relationships are too hard. So then they have to decide which direction to go. To embrace the joys of freedom. Or to wallow in the misery of feeling worthless.

And as always, one of my favorite Fight Club quotes.

“It’s only when you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.”

Naus1987 · 2023-02-11T15:08:53+00:00

I don’t know too much about the black pill, but it sounds a lot like nihilism. Which means if can have a positive or a negative spin to it. Depending on the person.

For example, with nihilism, the negative is

“Nothing matters, so why do anything? Why bother?” Emo depressed stuff.

And the positive version of nihilism is

“Nothing matters, so therefore I’m free to do anything!” Don’t have to follow social constructs or shame or be burdened by guilt or peer pressure. If nothing matters, then you could play video games your whole life, because you’re not destined to do anything important — so just make the most of it. Have fun!

I feel like black pill leads people to believe nothing matters, because relationships are too hard. So then they have to decide which direction to go. To embrace the joys of freedom. Or to wallow in the misery of feeling worthless.

And as always, one of my favorite Fight Club quotes.

“It’s only when you’ve lost everything that you’re free to do anything.”

mikayrodr · 2023-02-12T17:50:54+00:00

Sane people aren’t going around talking about living by “pills.” That’s my thoughts on it.

Title	Discussion about the Black pill.
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