Is the red pill really that bad?

temptags · 2020-01-07T01:04:48+00:00

In my opinion, yes, it is that bad because it does not incentivize its adherents to address their core issues. The feeling I get from redpill followers is that they generally have issues with inadequacy, don't know how to get their emotional and/or physical needs met, and don't know how to meet their partner's needs. They tend to have poor mate selection and unrealistic expectations of relationships. The tenants of redpill philosophy encourage a losing cycle because those tenants shift blame, don't allow for honest self introspection, and predetermine the type of man that's desired or acceptable enough. A lot of redpillers are hurt men with longstanding unresolved wounds, perhaps even from childhood. Its far harder to identify and work through underlying personal issues and easier to put a bunch of faith into an immature worldview dressed up as a distinguished and well-defined philosophy.

2020-01-07T03:09:38+00:00

Everyone here is saying "but the self-improvement stuff is good".

It is. Kinda.

But none of the self-improvement stuff is meaningfully "redpilled". It's mostly a grab bag of Tony Robbins, Jordan Peterson and Tim Ferris with a sprinkling of Marcus Aurelius to give it a patina of intellectual respectability.

But it's all based on very prescriptive ideas of manhood. If you basically fit in that space (and a lot of guys do), you might do okay. If you don't quite fit, it's going to be deeply alienating.

And there's no teasing apart the "good" stuff from the truly virulent misogyny. If you think you can, you're probably wrong. Those ideas will get traction sooner or later, because it's really comforting to believe that the parts of your life you're not happy with are all someone else's fault.

Jamonde · 2020-01-07T01:07:08+00:00

The stuff about self-improvement and working towards your own goals? Not that bad.

The part where they say all women are the same, and should be treated as second-class citizens, and don’t allow nuance in the analysis of their experiences (ie not going ‘it may just be my experience, but my opinion is that’ before they say something), and reject feminism as an absolute cancer? Then that’s bad.

All women are NOT the same. They are allowed to want different things. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.
Whatever men’s and women’s differences are, they have more in common than TRP philosophy typically allows itself to think.
My experience in the manosphere is that people tend to latch on to something that confirms what they already believe/want to believe (see what I did there?). I’d love to encounter redpillers who critically discuss RP philosophy and admit its shortcomings, and also that their own experiences can be as blinding as they are revealing, but I can’t recall many who have. In this vein, the advice I’d offer is to not get too involved in a community that isn’t willing to be reflective and critical, at least don’t take them too seriously.
Feminism is certainly not perfect, and some of its varieties are indeed cancerous. But even today, there are feminists and varieties of feminism that do good work. It wasn’t just earning the vote or the invention of the pill in yesteryear; there is still a lot of good and important work that is both being done and needs to be done which is extremely feminist in nature. Anyone who says ‘feminism is cancer’ or unironically uses the word ‘feminazi’ is someone whose views on feminism you should take with a grain of salt.

Nuuvv · 2020-01-07T00:32:06+00:00

Long story short, all the self improvement philosophy, being weary that a girl might be using you and not committing to relationships too fast is good imo, in my experience trp will help you understand woman a lot better and understand why you are scaring them away and you seem to be every girls best friend but no girl's boyfriend. But there is as much bad as there is good, a lot of people in trp seem to get the idea that healthy relationships are impossible and that all woman are trash, there seems to be some ties between pick up culture and trp which is not only contradictory in some sense but also counter productive. I see trp the same way I see MGTOW some really good ideas tied to self betterment and understanding what you want and how to get mixed in with some irrational hatred and oversimplification of woman. Before I keep going, I am going to say I just lurk here to get diverse opinions on certain topics, so I don't think, my views are the same as most people here. As you said I don't think you will be swayed and I wouldn't want to sway you anyways, all the advice I'd give you is don't gobble up everything you see on trp think through stuff, see how it relates to your own experience and throw away the bits that aren't useful, be careful and take care of your self. Good luck my dude.

GermanShepherdAMA · 2020-01-07T00:00:17+00:00

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yesnogoodbye · 2020-01-07T19:40:44+00:00

It is absolutely that bad. For a movement that claims to be all about self-improvement, they spend an inordinate amount of time blaming women as a group for their personal shortcomings. The solution? Why, codify a way of manipulating women into giving you attention despite those shortcomings, of course!

Actual self-improvement isn't pumping iron and seeing how many phone numbers you can collect in a night. It's looking inward and asking yourself how you might be the common denominator in your relationship failures.

my_69th_alt · 2020-01-08T03:03:55+00:00

MGTOW pretty much takes the worst of Feminism and flips the genders.

The feminists who had bad experiences with men and then generalize all men.
The MGTOWS who had bad experiences with women and then generalize all women.

The feminists who say all men are rapist pigs.
The MGTOWS who say all women are golddiggers.

Feminists who say the world would be such a better place without men. And who swear off of men.

MGTOWS who say the world would be such a better place without women. And who swear off of women.

theamazingsime · 2020-01-17T17:44:15+00:00

The red pill is a cult, they have their own little terms and a rigid sense of beliefs. If you go against that you’ll be ridiculed. They don’t want to hear any other arguments, it’s just one big echo chamber.

absolutebeginners · 2020-01-07T19:20:34+00:00

How many girls have you banged dude

ro8e · 2020-01-07T19:45:47+00:00

Here - some sources and explanations for your question (if you have a lot of time ofc).

InnerFish76 · 2020-01-07T22:01:47+00:00

My opinion of TRP is that while they criticize women with AWALT (All Women Are Like That).. they parrot the same ideology. If you're part of one group acting the same way, you don't have room to criticize others for acting the same way.

DDay_woke · 2020-01-13T12:08:11+00:00

No it's not. There are nut jobs in the red pill sub and people who take it too far. It's just an explanation of sexual strategies for females and males. You see this stuff play out all the time.

Reading the posts on this sub, I think this place is full of guys who took red pill too far, hated women, and now feel guilty for their own fanaticism.

briskthesceptile2002 · 2020-01-07T15:22:48+00:00

Is cocaine bad?

willyj19 · 2020-01-17T10:31:50+00:00

No, it's not. The redpill is basically realizing that there is unfair inequalities for men (paternity fraud, 1 and 3 men are fathering kids that isn't their bloodline and the woman let the poor guy be lead estray) family courts heavily favors the opposite gender and the women will win most divorce cases, false rape accusations, hypergamy, and other things that men are dealing with.

Title	Is the red pill really that bad?
Author	GermanShepherdAMA
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Comments	59
Date	January 6, 2020 11:50 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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