I've found ERP. So what's the difference between ERP and BP?

RedPillDetox · 2017-07-19T16:12:10+00:00

There's no such thing as "Blue pill". Some people define blue pill as /r/TheBluePill definition which is simply a sub aimed at mocking Red Pill and criticizing it. Nothing else, nothing more. Others define "Blue Pill" as the social conditioning of believing in disney like dating like "women like flowers", "unconditional love exists", "being a nice guy is a nice pick up strategy" and so on. However, some people think that many things in the Red Pill are actually completly Blue Pill because if Blue Pill is about typical social conditioning then AF/BB is 100% Blue Pill because it's a largely known stereotype. You see it all the time in the movies: The 50 year old sugar daddy whos wife cheats on him with the muscley gardner or the high school nice guy who is switched by the highschool jock. And finally, some define the Blue Pill in opposition to Red Pill. That is, if you don't believe in typical TRP dogma like AWALT, AF/BB and deny these things then you're a Blue Pill by default.

So which Blue Pill are you trying to avoid? Because let me tell you there's probably no such thing to start with because it's very much an imagined enemy perpectuated by red pill guys so that it's easier for them to understand concepts and to form their own red pill identity.

What you may be looking for are valuable lessons to keep from Red Pill without actually being one or more down to earth dating advise and in that regard here are my 2 cents:

The more cocky, arrogant, manipulative and game playing you are the more likely you are to attract someone like you. This isn't to say that normal women can't sometimes fall for the games and pretenses but still, most women are going to be the exact type that red pill hates when you use their techniques: overly emotional, cheating, manipulative, superficial, etc...
Don't put women on a pedestal. Women can sometimes lie or do shitty things. This doesn't mean that they are all BPD social climbers looking to somehow fuck you over for their own gain like Red Pill wants you to believe. But it does mean that you shouldn't feel surprised that women may have done a couple of bad things in their life, just like anyone else. Don't put women on a moral pedestal.
Lifting, reading, avoiding covert contracts, dressing well, producing more at work is the only decent advise in red pill. Have your own values and stick to them (boundaries) but be willing to compromise provided that other people persuade you to do so in a rational compassionate way. You don't have to be some sort of superman who rarely compromises, that's overcompensating, speaking of which...
Don't overcompensate. Overcompensation is the idea of exagerating your own behavior in the opposite extreme of what you think you are. For example, a homosexuals in denial may start behaving all macho to convince themselves they are not gay. Red Pillers have a lifetime of feelings of inadequacy regarding their masculinity so being alfa to them isn't just about being confident, it's about being the most dominant, powerful guy they can be... which usually translates to a super douchy arrogant guy with many people secretly hating and pittying them. This is the case for many guys in TRP. Be confident and assertive without overcompensating.
You can be vulnerable with women and connect with them emotionally. Women don't want you to be a feminine doormat but they also hate a guy who's insensitive and can't open himself. Talking about feelings isn't beta, it's normal. What's not normal (and it's "beta") is to do it all the fucking time, specially with women you have met recently. That's emotional vampirism and "emotionally vomiting".
Except for taking into account the above points, which are really just about keeping a minimal of good sense by not being a tremendous douche or a overly sensitive and decontextualized doormat, do whatever you want and talk about whatever you want with women. You dont have to impress anyone. Why the fuck wpuld you want to impress a woman who doesn't like you the way you are? If you have self-respect you don't do that. Being overly douchy or doormat it's about you most likelt having emotional problems and you should get them checked as it's not normal. But apart from that you should do whatever you want, accept yourself as you are and youre gonna attract people that are satisfied with your ways of being. Simple.

palacesofparagraphs · 2017-07-19T15:11:32+00:00

I think your biggest mistake is to assume you have to follow a particular ideology or sexual strategy in the first place. The idea that one set of rules works for everyone is massively flawed, because both men and women are individuals with their own personalities and tastes. The best way to find partners that are good for you is to present your real self in the best way you can, and to treat women with respect.

You say TRP was somewhat successful for you, but you found yourself attracting only shallow and gullible women. So it was successful if your goal was the find sexual partners, but it was completely unsuccessful for finding romantic or emotional partners, because you can't have a real relationship with someone you're tricking and don't respect. You seem to know this too.

I would stop using TRP techniques altogether. TRP relies on demeaning and taking advantage of women with low self-esteem. This is unkind behavior regardless of why you're doing it. You don't need to weed out women who fall for those techniques, you only need to seek out women who respect themselves and find you attractive for who you are when you respect them too.

PoopEndeavor · 2017-07-20T00:12:48+00:00

Keep:

Lifting *Eating well *Developing own hobbies *Independence *Financial planning *Not treating women as your biggest goal *Not letting yourself be used as a doormat *Pushing yourself to try new things *Confidence

Forget:

*Seeing women as objects (the idea that they either are there to get you laid or are useless) *Never allowing yourself to be vulnerable *Using canned language/patterns instead of reacting like a human *Strategizing every single move *Screening out women who you might actually like but won't fall for your TRP games (TRP basically teaches you to screen out feminists/women who have backbones/etc., so no wonder you're only meeting easily-gamed, shallow, or "damaged" women) *Thinking people (any gender) who are overweight/unattractive/non-alpha are worthless. Being empathetic doesn't make you less masculine. *Manipulating those who care about you with "nexting," "dreading," etc.

KelinciHutan · 2017-07-19T21:09:58+00:00

Should I employ "RP techniques" just to identify women who cannot spot the BS? I really want to avoid women who react positively to aggressive/abusive "RP techniques". Of course I don't want to cause any hurt either.

Bad plan. Extremely bad plan.

Most of the women who fall for TRP pick-up nonsense are...going to keep falling for it. There's a long psychology ramble that goes here, but the short version is that the type of women who are attracted to TRP men are exactly the type of women those men tend to complain about.

So, suppose you find a woman who doesn't fall for it, which is great. But now you've demonstrated to her that you have a whole bunch of traits she doesn't want/like/feel are compatible/insert other rejection rubric here. And when you explain, "Oh, I just wanted to see if you'd fall for it," then she will know that everything she knows about you up to that point has been filtered through an act that is not genuine and it will make you hard to trust going forward. You'll have to work much harder to convince her of your honesty.

So, not only will you be setting yourself up to attract women you say you're not interested in, you will also be setting yourself up to repel the ones you say you do want. And even if you come clean, that will only sink you further by making you look like a lying manipulator. Best to just be genuine from the start.

raziphel · 2017-07-19T18:11:26+00:00

bluepill only exists to mock redpill bullshit.

ex-redpill is people getting over (or people helping others get over) redpill bullshit.

FixinThePlanet · 2017-07-20T00:30:27+00:00

The most dangerous thing to take from TRP is the fake persona. The macho dude with no feelings who insults women and doesn't give a fuck. The hardest thing for people is to be simultaneously confident and vulnerable.

Try to find out what you are really like rather than trying to "fake it till you make it". Assess yourself objectively but kindly. Change things about yourself that you dislike, mentally and emotionally in addition to physically. When you are a person you really like being, it becomes incredibly easy to set your standards high, take no nonsense, and still be honest and vulnerable enough that people get to know who you really are.

If you don't value kindness and empathy you will not find others who do.

AnarchyshitpostBOT · 2017-07-19T18:50:44+00:00

What exactly about TRP brought you success? What did you start doing that you weren't doing before?

There a lots of comments here by men who whole lives have fallen apart by taking an adversarial approach to dating as advocated by TRP (search by top if you want to see). This is a community where those men can vent their frustration, interact with non-TRP men in a non judgmental way, and slowly try to heal and return to the mainstream.

TRP is just one part of a large network of men, and the majority of posters have some severe problems with their life. I'm unsure of how long you've been aware of TRP but communities like MGTOW, BlackPill, etc are all permutations of TRP (I was there to see them develop and eventually split off), which in itself is a permutation of earlier pick-up artistry. I and other users here help maintain this community because either we or people we know have been sucked into that side of the internet and it has damaged them emotionally, spiritually and at times physically, and we wont to offer a place where they can come to start unlearning.

Look at your post:

I have to admit, the women i met with TRP are very shallow and are probably entirely clueless about what I'm doing to them. They almost felt easy to manipulate, and right now I would be disappointed and turned off if a women falls for it. Next thing i know, she fell for a snake oil salesman armed with TRP. I am very attracted to intelligence and confidence. Should I employ "RP techniques" just to identify women who cannot spot the BS? I really want to avoid women who react positively to aggressive/abusive "RP techniques

How is this helping in any way? If you attracted to intelligence and confidence, why not just pursue that? Why add an extra barrier (which as you've described is shit testing) just to get to where you want to be? What's most likely to happen with this approach is women who don't have time for it will stay away, and you will be left with women who fall for it, who by definition you disrespect. Why self sabotage?

u/redpilldetox answered the bluepill side of the question pretty well so I'll leave you to his comment.

Title	I've found ERP. So what's the difference between ERP and BP?
Author	Cryxtalix
Upvotes	7
Comments	37
Date	July 19, 2017 12:29 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/ExRedPill
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