going after feminism is nonsensical

mrBored0m · 2024-09-08T07:10:19+00:00

Some posts on that sub:

1) "is having male friends really that necessary?"

2) "why are men like this? i feel sick"

3) "what would a world run by women actually look like?"

Welp.

Skirt_Douglas · 2024-09-08T16:11:28+00:00

I agree with you on the premise that publicly identifying as an “anti-feminist” will never be a good look, because as you said most people, especially feminists, will interpret that as meaning “against women rights.”

That being said holding feminists and feminism accountable for the disinformation they spread and for toxifying the discourse is completely necessary. I think to avoid holding feminists accountable in favor of good optics is nothing short of cowardice.

I think we should be aiming to normalize criticism of feminism instead of aiming to silence ourselves.

beowulves · 2024-09-08T19:24:36+00:00

It comes across reasonable to me until you ask questions then u just get banned. I can't even state a thought without being told to stfu because I'm the wrong gender and they think it's correct behavior. It's literal patriarchy in reverse

thithothith · 2024-09-08T16:30:18+00:00

There should be a women's rights movement, but feminism isn't it. There should be people advocating for men's rights, but does that mean we should be pro-red pill or black pill because they sometimes assert themselves as pro-male?

People on this sub generally strive for gender equality, which necessarily means going against conservative ideology, and feminism is basically neo-conservative ideology.

ashfinsawriter · 2024-09-08T08:43:04+00:00

I'm all for women's rights- This sub, as far as I understand, support's women's rights as a whole. We're not going after women's rights. We're going after what should really be called the female supremacist movement at this point. Not every person who refers to themselves as feminist, or uses the term feminist, means female supremacy- but a big enough chunk of them do, that their talking points have to be considered when discussing feminism.

Glarus30 · 2024-09-10T13:01:08+00:00

Read the femcel comments. Directly or indirectly women will blame all their problems on men. They've realized the more they yap, complain, protest, push back - the more things they can get away with. Often at the expense of men.

They got equal rights, they keep their priviledges and now they want more at the expense of men's health, public focus, finances, opportunities, attention... The pendulum has swung past equality and they keep pushing it further.

They normalize anti-men behaviour, while we are policing ourselves from the Andrew Tate scumbags. How is that fair?

Look, we are OK with the ideas of feminism, but in practice the vast majority of it's goals have been achieved - equal rights & equal opportunities. But today feminism creates bitter & spiteful women who fear men, hate men and blame men for all their shortcomings and mistakes.

Phuxsea · 2024-09-10T11:11:04+00:00

I'm very glad this post was not taken down. I agree somewhat. I've been downvoted for saying I'm not anti-feminist. My reasoning is that anti-feminism is not advocating for men and associates with the worst of people like Andrew Tate and Pearl Davis. Furthermore much of the harmful anti-male rules in society are from conservative culture.

Independence_soft2 · 2024-09-09T17:26:06+00:00

https://youtube.com/watch?v=hj719mKBIB8&si=uPeVpjS_q3so3lYG

https://www.amazon.com/War-Against-Boys-Misguided-Policies/dp/1501125427

https://youtube.com/watch?v=jq2x2bz-VkU&si=O6lU5b7Ko3_RYQXy

https://www.amazon.com/Who-Stole-Feminism-Women-Betrayed/dp/0684801566

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGFFi6pRCnCdQTe1iG3Tw4Td9jvhY2w74&si=5DlFUeyZHteqBIUo

The MRM did not make itself the antagonist to feminism. Feminism and women's groups have regularly made themselves the enemy of men's rights; causing the education crisis, attacks on freedom of speech, attacks on the presumption of innocence, acts of mob violence and terrorism directly resulting from feminism, etc.

YetAgain67 · 2024-09-09T17:25:34+00:00

If feminism wasn't the default framework of viewing literally every progressive/liberal concern through I may agree with you. But that's the not the case.

Feminism IS leftism and progressive ideology to many that identify as such. It has its fingers every pie - from gender discourse to race discourse to class discourse to capitalism discourse.

Feminism has the backing of academia, the government, and wall street.

So yea, going after feminism makes ALL the sense.

Razorbladekandyfan · 2024-09-16T13:47:06+00:00

The problem with this is that if you mention misandry to people they just say "well feminism addresses male inequality too". And then you have to explain to them why it doesnt and boom you are "anti-feminist" now.

Whole_W · 2024-09-11T02:05:44+00:00

Feminist is an appropriate term for an egalitarian in some cultures and less so in others.

Main-Tiger8593 · 2024-09-11T04:57:24+00:00

feminism vs mens rights activism

No_Investment_1309 · 2024-09-11T19:44:46+00:00

Going after institutional feminism is perfectly sensible.

We just need to keep citing facts and what specifically feminists have done on systemic scales to harm men in order to educate people on the difference between women's rights and a misandrist ideology that claims to be just that.

AlternativSubscriber · 2024-09-11T23:17:25+00:00

No movement or ideology is immune to criticism.

Tech_Romancer1 · 2024-09-30T22:12:04+00:00

Except any cursory look at the history of feminism makes it clear the movement was always misandrist, classist, racist and never had noble intentions.

There's actual feminism which hasn't really changed since its inception and then there's dictionary-performative feminism which is regurgitated by the masses. This sort of 'Schrödinger's feminism' is whatever the so-called moderates want it to be and provides a shield for the actual movers and shakers (who are labeled 'extremists').

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