Have there been reverse thought experiments for gender roles and patriarchies, or any of the like?

azazelcrowley · 2020-03-04T16:03:38+00:00

Warren Farrell used to conduct an experiment where women would take on the man's role in a date and interrupt them to explain when they had done something wrong and thus failed the date, but wouldn't say what it was.

None of them could manage to pass in a way men are expected to. They said it was an eye opening experience supposedly.

This was upheld by Norah Vincent when she went undercover as a man and tried dating, and realized how ridiculous the standards are and how many ways to fail there are for men. Eventually she gave up.

manumiss1on · 2020-03-04T20:52:20+00:00

This may interest you:

http://archive.is/dFOIu

Crossing the divide

Do men really have it easier? These transgender guys found the truth was more complex

Basically transmen find life is much harder as a man than woman.

There are also ways in which men deal with sexism and gender oppression that I was not aware of when I was walking around in a female body ...

There are also ways in which men deal with sexism and gender oppression that I was not aware of when I was walking around in a female body...

She started coming on to me, stalking me, sending me emails and texts. My adviser and the dean — both women — laughed it off. It went on for the better part of a year, and that was the year that I was going up for tenure. It was a very scary time. I felt very worried that if the student felt I was not returning her attentions she would claim that I had assaulted her. I felt like as a guy, I was not taken seriously.

I had experienced harassment as a female person at another university and they had reacted immediately, sending a police escort with me to and from campus. I felt like if I had still been in my old body I would have gotten a lot more support.

It’s not only humiliating, but it creates anxiety on a daily basis. Before, I used to feel safe going up to a police officer if I was lost or needed directions. But I don’t do that anymore. I hike a lot, and if I’m out hiking and I see a dead body, I’ll keep on walking. I’ll never call the police again....

Prior to my transition, I was an outspoken radical feminist. I spoke up often, loudly and with confidence. I was encouraged to speak up. I was given awards for my efforts, literally — it was like, “Oh, yeah, speak up, speak out.” When I speak up now, I am often given the direct or indirect message that I am “mansplaining,” “taking up too much space” or “asserting my white male heterosexual privilege....

My ability to empathize has grown exponentially, because I now factor men into my thinking and feeling about situations....

I do notice that some women do expect me to acquiesce or concede to them more now: Let them speak first, let them board the bus first, let them sit down first, and so on.

I was put off by the way that some women want to be treated by me, now that I am a man, because it violates a foundational belief I carry, which is that women are fully capable human beings who do not need men to acquiesce or concede to them.

What continues to strike me is the significant reduction in friendliness and kindness now extended to me in public spaces...

Apparently, people were only holding the door for me because I was a woman rather than out of common courtesy as I had assumed. Not just men, women too. I learned this the first time I left the house presenting as male, when a woman entered a department store in front of me and just let the door swing shut behind her. I was so caught off guard I walked into it face first.

etc

Blauwpetje · 2020-03-05T20:13:04+00:00

I wonder if we really need thought experiments to point out double standards, as we can find examples everywhere. F ex Amazing Atheist and Roaming Millennial have made videos about this.

Title	Have there been reverse thought experiments for gender roles and patriarchies, or any of the like?
Author	Strikester101
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Date	March 4, 2020 3:59 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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