Is DV gender-symmetrical?

SchalaZeal01 · 2019-09-08T14:17:24+00:00

It's not valid. The guy who made the CTS also asked about the motives, and they didn't differ between men and women. Men weren't doing it more out of anger or seeking control, and women weren't doing it more in self-defense. It was pretty equal motivations, which defeats the 'patriarchy causes DV' theory.

serpentineeyelash · 2019-09-08T14:33:12+00:00

No.

The motivation of violence is, I imagine, something very difficult for researchers to measure, even when the motivations are self-reported. It is a very shaky basis on which to base a theory that male violence is worse than female violence.

The claim that female domestic violence is merely “violent resistance” and only male domestic violence is “intimate terrorism”, supposedly based in “patriarchy”, seems to originate from Michael Johnson. Absurdly, Johnson came up with the theory by surveying only men in prisons and women in refuges!

Murray Straus has published studies showing that when criteria for “intimate terrorism” are applied to female-on-male violence rather than only male-on-female, the rates are about the same. He also debunks several studies claiming to prove female violence is self-defence. The most revealing example is a 2005 study by Kernsmith, whose “self-defence” category includes motivations such as anger, coercion, revenge, and retaliation. The same study also showed men and women were equally likely to be motivated by “disciplining” and “exerting power”. Other studies misleadingly drew sweeping conclusions from just a few percentage points difference between men and women.

More recently, research by Elizabeth Bates has found that, even using Johnson’s typology and asking women to describe the motivations behind their own violence, women are more likely to be intimate terrorists and men are more likely to engage in violent resistance. (The same study also found that women are more likely to be violent toward men than toward other women, whereas men are more likely to be violent toward other men than toward women.)

And although the CTS does not include post-separation violence, Bates' latest research shows female-on-male violence also escalates post-separation. Post-separation is when women tend to actually make rather than merely threaten false allegations, which can result in the male victim being arrested, investigated, or suspended from his job. This is also when male victims experience having their children turned against them. The threats of false allegations and parental alienation are both major reasons why male victims stay with their abusers.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2019-09-08T12:58:05+00:00

CTS?

Egalitarianwhistle · 2019-09-08T15:31:34+00:00

False allegations are a form of abuse.

From one study, 70% of non-reciprocal DV was female on male.

mewacketergi · 2019-09-08T16:59:28+00:00

See what Erin Pizzey says about this, she spent a long time both speaking about how most of DV is reciprocated, and being ostracized by feminists for it.

Blauwpetje · 2019-09-08T14:26:22+00:00

Look up videos and articles by/about Erin Pizzey. She is about the greatest expert around, she started the first shelters for battered women and was aghast when feminism took over the business. To her, the 'patriarchy' theory is a lie, dv stems from all kinds of often inherited social problems. Strange (and sad) that she blames the 'left' for the wrong theories, while imho her ideas are more 'left' than the feminist ones.

highmrk · 2019-09-08T22:37:31+00:00

Everybody's got the data, so I'll just give an anecdote. I once asked a cop the ratio of DV and he said 50/50. I was pretty blown away lol I thought it was just dudes my entire life

Sewblon · 2019-09-09T10:24:28+00:00

I would say that it isn't valid. The CTS was never intended to measure motives or context behind spousal abuse by women, or anyone else. (More Than a Literature Review: The Partner Abuse State of Knowledge Articles and Online Database John Hamel, LCSW). Women and men generally have the same motives for spousal abuse, the idea that women are just reacting to violence by men doesn't enjoy much empirical support. (Hamby, S. (2009). The gender debate about intimate partner violence: Solutions and dead ends. Psychological Trauma: Theory, Research, Practice, and Policy, 1(1), 24-34. http://dx.doi.org/10.1037/a0015066 )

Title	Is DV gender-symmetrical?
Author	Strikester101
Upvotes	11
Comments	17
Date	September 8, 2019 12:57 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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