male self-hating, self-esteem

Pasolini123 · 2022-04-28T20:00:44+00:00

That's a really sad post. And what's even more sad, the problems you describe usually don't have any impact on bad guys and douchebags. These are usually the best and most valuable men, who feel bad because of all these things.

But now the more positive part of what I wanted to say😉

Tbh with you, I love to be a dude. Everything about it. I wouldn't like to be a women. Well, maybe when I think about war in Ukraine and conscription laws (nearly) everywhere else. Apart from that, no. Being a guy is cool.

BloomingBrains · 2022-04-28T22:03:39+00:00

The way I see it, if their goal is to belittle men and make them feel bad then wishing to be female is surrendering in a way; you are admitting they are right and have won. Also, imagine there is a magic button that would allow you to re-live your life being born as a female. If you actually press that button, in a way you are killing yourself. The female version of yourself would essentially be a completely different person with a totally different outlook. I see that as identical to death. Same goes for any other drastic personality changes. So wishing to be female is largely futile, even if it were possible, which it isn't, and we can't change that. I don't think its something you should spend any significant amount of time thinking on.

Langland88 · 2022-04-28T23:29:41+00:00

Instead of asking about Male priviledges to be grateful, ask about the qualities that boys and men can be proud of. I think one of the biggest issues with why boys are seeing themselves as less intelligent by age 4 is because they have a lot of media to make them believe that. Today we are seeing a lot of TV shows star female characters, which is great, but now it's gone to a point of overcorrection in my opinion. We are trying correct all the wrong things in human history that I feel we are now going overboard on these corrections. We see movies and tv shows portray female characters as smart and flawless while putting down the male characters with very little to no accountability.

We have shows like the Simpsons and Family Guy where they are still pumping out new episodes and portraying characters like Homer Simpson and Peter Griffin as bumbling idiots who can't even operate a nail gun without a self inflicted injury. In those shows, Bart Simpson and Chris Griffin are equally stupid and show to always be failing in school and getting F's on their homework. In these same shows, Marge Simpson, Lisa Simpson, and Lois Griffin are seen as very intelligent and often correct the mistakes of their male counterpart. The only exception I see to this is Meg Griffin, who is often just a punching bag character.

Now we go to a lot of movies and look at what Disney and their production studio, Pixar has pumped out for movies in the last 10 years. Most of their movies star women and have made the male characters play the second fiddle and be reduced to bumbling idiots as well. Sure Marvel had a lot of success with their MCU line up of many impressive male protagonists but now most of them are now written out of the future plots or replaced by "strong women" now.

And it's already been mentioned numerous times already the education systems in the First World Nations have proven to favor girls over boys and the boys are often statistically getting bad grades. So it's no wonder to me that boys are feeling like they are less intelligent. Somehow our society decided that the only way to correct the wrongdoings of the past is to replace it with the same wrong doings but with everything in reverse now. Honestly, we can't correct the wrongdoings of our ancestors by repeating those wrongdoings again, we're being hypocrites in my opinion.

So to kind of go back to the first sentence, let's ask boys about traits that they have or see in positive male role models such as their fathers, uncles, grandfathers, brothers, teachers, or even male officials in their religious life if that's applicable. I bet you ask boys that question, they will find positive traits that a lot men possess and see pride in those traits.

Man_of_culture_112 · 2022-04-29T08:28:25+00:00

One good thing feminism did was improve women’s self esteem so they became proud to women/enjoyed being women.

Is that actually true though? Self esteem typically correlates with happiness, and I recall seeing a chart some time ago of women's average rated happiness being in decline for decades since the mid/late 20th century. I think you can attribute an increased sense of self-righteousness and self-importance to Feminism, particularly judging by the belligerence in which Feminists promote their agendas.

Dare I say it, what are male privileges we can be grateful for?

Well, we're typically stronger, taller and don't have to birth children. Most of the other "privileges" assigned to men are constructions or fabrications based on the usual myths and misinformation (i.e. the Wage Gap, Patriarchy, the Old Boys Club, Boys Will Be Boys, and so forth).

GodBirb · 2022-04-29T14:42:28+00:00

Dawg I was 13 when I was thinking how easy it would be if I was female. I think women have a better time in life socially and support wise.

You’ll be hard pressed to be a woman with no friends is all I’m saying.

Man_of_culture_112 · 2022-04-29T16:57:51+00:00

This floods Western culture a lot, especially in media. It's why anime and manga consumption (while Japanese culture is blatantly misandrist) are so high and increasing, anime and manga tend to demean men and boys a lot less (even though they are still misandrist to a degree).

Head-Medium-3007 · 2022-04-28T23:24:28+00:00

Feminism was never needed it was always a hate movement and is based on historical revisionism

shit-zen-giggles · 2022-04-29T18:13:03+00:00

One good thing feminism did was improve women’s self esteem so they became proud to women/enjoyed being women.

improve women's self esteem ✅
became proud to be women ✅
enjoyed being women ❌

The Paradox of Declining Female Happiness

My Point is: don't repeat their mistakes.

rochesterslim · 2022-04-29T17:21:14+00:00

i think one could be experiencing love from other men. male friends groups can be great to one another. also bill burr once said we have minds we can turn off so can just enjoy shit like sports easier. whereas women have a more multitasking brain makes it harder….so yeah

Darkwolf90 · 2022-04-29T01:28:36+00:00

What do you mean by man and women? People often tend to attach correlative probabilistic properties to a fairly simple largely overlapping concept. In humans it's by evolutionarily "engineering" "design" we tend to be X/X or X/Y. X/X is what we call women, X/Y is what we call men.

Full stop, there are very few unique exclusive genetic expressions. Gender advocates tend to make the mistake of attaching gender to sex, there is a correlative relation due to sex being a categorization of chromosomal structure. However this is almost entirely due to the differing probabilistics involved with the differing dichotomous(1-D measurement) categorization of sexual chromosomal structure in humans genetic structures and genetics is metaphorically the programming language life has found success in using.

So who you are is likely entirely decided by the interaction of the structures constructed by your genetics and its interaction with its environment both literally and theoretically. Collectivism is a "disease". I am not you, you are not me and the same can be said for every human in existence. Every human is unique to some degree, even if only in its context aka environment.

This leads to an issue of where we need to convince the entirety of our species to finally abandon collectivism and embrace libertarianism(not the political parties that name themselves just the concept). To treat a person as that person, hold them and teach them to hold themselves accountable for their actions and not the actions of others and if we want to help not attempt a vague unspecified, ignorant process to "heal" them to a direction we've decided due to subjective concepts.

a-man-from-earth · 2022-04-29T20:53:47+00:00

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Title	male self-hating, self-esteem
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Date	April 28, 2022 7:12 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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