So, it's been around 7 years since I've been in an LTR. I've been focusing on my career and banging hookers to get by.
A few years ago I finally got the nice car, house, cash in the bank and enough experience that I can walk into any similar job in my field. So, I thought I'd start to work on the next milestone in the blue pill life plan, getting an LTR that will hopefully lead to marriage and kids.
After getting back on the horse, I realised my game had gotten weak. So, I started looking online for tips on text game and discovered TRP and the manosphere. After reading about AF/BB and AWALT I realised I've seen this all before and remembered every single girl I have ever known cheated and did all the AWALT shit that TRP describes. Was this confirmation bias? Maybe?
Anyway, I swallowed the red pill and started working out and practising game. I started going out every Friday and Saturday night. I'm 6"1, in good shape and dress to impress on a night out so thought I had a decent shot. I started to get better at game, I could approach without fear, hold a conversation, escalate etc. I had a handful of dates that didn't really lead anywhere and managed to scrape 2 ONS in two years (one fatty and one chunky). So, I wasn't slaying at all, but my confidence was increasing and I had enough "success" in my mind to convince myself that this was working and I had to just keep trying.
After a while I had a social circle with whom I genuinely enjoyed going out and socialising with. I am a normal functioning human after all! I'm not where I want to be but am really close, I can smell it. I started to get comfortable, I started thinking NAWALT, maybe TRP is a cult and how could I be so foolish to get sucked in. Even though I have more than a few friends and relatives who have been destroyed by divorce, I started to doubt that the game is rigged.
So, last weekend I ended up at my old university with a few friends. We thought it would be a good idea to get one drink at the university bar and then continue on with our night as usual. One drink led to another and we ended up staying there for a while. I was working my charm and chatting to loads of people that night and was having a good time. Around 3am, I had gotten blindingly drunk and my friends had all gone home. I went out on the balcony of the bar for one last cigarette before going home.
Outside was one of the groups I had been talking to that night. We continued chatting and laughing and then I finished my smoke and said goodbye. On my way out, one of the girl's from the group followed me and stopped me. I can't remember exactly what she said but she asked me if I thought she was fat, attractive or looked good in her outfit or some shit like that; It was shit test, I remember that much. My reply was something like "I don't know, I'm going home". As I was walking away, she shouted "did you call me fat?"
I had gotten to the door and some guy comes up to me and says "did you call that girl fat". I said, "I don't think so, I'm on my way out". He then says "that's my girlfriend" and starts pushing me and trying to provoke me to hit him. I said "I'm not looking for trouble mate, you must have me mistaken for someone else" and continued walking off. He followed me and started shouting at me and pushing me. People started to gather around and asking what's going on, then one guy in the crowd says "he called that girl fat". And then crowd starts cheering on the guy to hit me.
One of the bar staff intervened and kicked the guy out. I'm now surrounded by a bunch of uni students saying that I shouldn't call a girl fat. I walk out of the bar and get outside and the boyfriend is out there with a lynch mob. He starts shoving me again and shouting shit, surrounded by a mob cheering him on. The whole time he never once swung a punch, I'm guessing he wanted me to draw first blood. The bouncers grabbed us and told us to go our separate ways, which we did.
Some of the lynch mob was following me, they caught up to me and stopped me. I thought, fuck I can't believe this isn't over yet. They started saying that I shouldn't call a girl fat. I told them that I didn't and all of this is a misunderstanding. They then said it doesn't matter what I meant, even if i was joking or being ironic. Then one guy clocks me in the face, I didn't even see who, and then I start shouting "who the fuck hit me". Then the crowd disperses and I continued walking home.
I was stopped again by someone who was following me. This time it's by the guy who hit me, I didn't know at the time because I never saw who it was. This guy was some tiny fucking man child, must of been around 18/19 years old tops, no wonder I couldn't see him or barely felt the punch. He asked me why I called the girl fat and said I should turn around, go back and apologise. I told him that's not going to happen and I'm going home. We were arguing for a while and then he says if I don't go back to apologise he'll hit me again. This whiteknight's small guy syndrome was unreal. I then got pissed off and asked why he hit me, and he asked why I called the girl fat. This was going no where. By this point, it was just the two us of in the dark, on some back street where no one would see us; he realised and started to back off. I asked him if he knew the couple or if he was there, he said he was walking by and saw the commotion and thought he'd get involved. This fucking whiteknight cuck didn't even know who's honour he was defending. At that point I said to him, I'm close to where I live and I'm going home and he should do the same. He walked away and that was the end of it.
I wake up the next day thinking what the fuck happened last night. I can't believe failing a shit test escalated to that point. The familiar gut-punch of pain and confusion is back, hello old friend. Now I'm MGTOW for life, no more relapses. Chasing pussy is just not fucking worth it.
That night has been creeping into my thoughts all week. Hopefully, getting this off my chest here will help. Thanks guys for taking the time to read my story.
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Thanks for sharing your story.
Unbelievable what that whitekight cuck did to you in hitting your face unprovoked. I got quite angry reading about what he did to you. It seems unfortunately that there are all to many brainwashed pussy worshipping simps out there willing to do unjustified violence. I'm impressed that you had enough self control not to hit that pathetic pussy worshipper back in his face. Kudos to you for handling the situation quite calmly.
Also quite frightening and disturbing was when the crowd was cheering that girl's boyfriend on to hit you. Just goes to show how dangerous groupthink can be in which people allow the gynocentric narrative to brainwash them instead of independently and rationally thinking for themselves.
As a 20 year old fellow MGTOW who had never been with a woman, stories such as these start to convince me that indeed the chasing pussy is not worth it.
Anyway stay safe out there, MGTOW brother.
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-- For many of them it (alas, more's the pity) isn't so much that they "worship" pussy... as they are desperately enslaved to/by it, and obtain validation of their entire "self-esteem" (if it can even be called that) from the fact that they have "woman X" as their girlfriend/wife.
-- And it really doesn't matter how much of a "piece of crap" said "woman X" actually is -- she could be a thrice-divorced, gold-diggiing, menopausal, landwhale, crazed "bar slut" that they are husband #4 to; or some obviously skanky "single mother" (aka "baby mamma") with a handful or mixed/various "mystery meat" crotch spawn that they are just a temporary "boyfriend" of; or ... well you get the picture.
-- Their biggest fear is for said "woman X" to leave them... and particularly for some other (yet another) guy* -- the very idea that they might be left ALONE (sans femme) -- is such a nightmare (an "existential" threat to their core psyche)...
That they will do ANYTHING to attempt to preserve their current status & relationship (however shitty it may actually be).
If/when she DOES leave (cheat, run off with Chad), well these are the kinds of men who don't just get "depressed" by it for a few weeks -- but rather head to the local bridge and jump off it -- their life and very identity is so literally and completely "tied up" with being husband/boyfriend (and to "woman X") that they cannot encompass how they even could live otherwise.**
* A thing which -- given the type of "flirtateous" female their "woman X" invariable is (i.e. the particular female in OP's story for example) -- is probably a frequent/regular possibility; meaning their "fear" is not simply paranoia, but has a factual basis in her prior pattern of behavior (and probably long-line of previous "relationships").
** And this too, is not necessarily an invalid "fear"; since quite often said "woman X" is as much a "mommy" to them as a "wife" -- and she does to at least some degree (however incompetently) fulfill their "mommy need"; in the sense of doing their laundry, cooking, at least some shopping, cleaning, & other household/housewife (aka "mommy") duties; skills & tasks this kind of male has often never personally mastered (which among other things is why he vastly overvalues and thus fears the loss of, even the shitty version she provides him) because he has likely never lived in a fully-functional domicile all alone (transitioned from shitty mom to shitty live-in-girlfriend, etc) -- end result is that even the possibility of losing this "woman X" is not merely to lose his "lover" but to lose his "mother" as well.
-- This kind of "white knight" then is certain he is "in love" and defending the "love of his life" -- but he's actually much more desperate (and dangerous) than that -- he's defending his (flirty/cheating) "mother" with whom he is locked in a (truly fucked up) codependent cycle with.
-- Worse yet, she may even LIKE (enjoy, obtain HER OWN validation & satisfaction from) "fucking with his head" in this regard -- and probably does so on a fairly frequent basis -- in essence SHE is playing a sort of dark-triad "dread" game with him.
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Not true. I've been surrounded by the lynch mob before. I took the leader down in about 0.5 seconds. The rest tend to back off after you do that.
Of course the wisest option is not to put yourself in those positions in the first place - i.e. avoiding night clubs and places where socialist PC faggots congregate such as monoversity bars.
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It was a long time ago, and yes - I was drunk as fuck. Don't remember what all led to it, but yeah, I got swarmed by a mob, took down the most aggressive guy there and that was that.
But this was almost 20 years ago. Sure, someone back then may have come out with a beer bottle, but that was a pretty rare occurrence. Mostly it was just fists. Not like today, where the mobs have AK's and grenades, mace and molotovs.
But I haven't seen action like that in a very long time. Mostly it'll happen at bars - and I hardly even drink anymore.
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-- OK, generally speaking /r/MGTOW is not the place to come for dating/relationshit "advice."
And I am far from being the kind of guy that would normally advocate for, much less dispense advice on the "hows & wheres" you should go looking for a potential "wife"...
But seriously? "going out every Friday and Saturday night"???
WTF kind of woman are you thinking that you're going to find at bars, taverns, clubs? (Hint: Those venues ain't exactly likely to be filled with a bunch of sweet future-homemaker quasi-"Amish" girls.)
-- You may as well go looking for a sailboat in the middle of a desert.
-- Bars, taverns and clubs -- even ones at/near universities -- are (at least these days) where you go when you want to pick-up some skanky "bar slut" type for a hookup... they're not the place to go when you're "on the hunt" for actual "wife/future-mother-of-your-children" types.
-- I mean, trust me, I'm not trying to get you to change your mind about living a "MGTOW" life*... but I do have to say that if you are/were seriously wanting to follow out the whole "Blue Pill" life script (wife, 2.5 kids, dog, house in the burbs with a white picket fence, etc)... then you were going about it ALL wrong. "Looking for love in all the wrong places" so to speak.
* True MGTOW is about choosing to live life as a bachelor because you want to, not because you've been forced to via various circumstances -- in my experience the latter tend to end up NOT being able to sustain a MGTOW life anyway, and instead end up married (and then all too often in mid-life divorce-raped of their long-accumulated assets) to/by some "pretend" NAWALT that has successfully tricked/maneuvered/manipulated themselves into to the guy's life (who think they have "accidentally/serendipitously" found someone that ... well "she's different" is the normal refrain).
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Understatement of the year.
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You presume this is necessary... but it really ISN'T needed outside of the aforementioned "not a good place for wife material."
-- Note that I am NOT saying that someone who is entirely lacking in "confidence" is going to be successful in "finding a wife" in other, more appropriate venues...
Rather that the more simple (honest, REAL) "confidence" is all that is actually necessary.
-- The entire phenom of "game" is really only appropriate or needed when dealing with ridiculously hypergamous females (who by definition are NOT "wife material") -- and thus is strictly a "hookup" related skill (i.e. access to skanky* "pussy" -- not a womb you want your kids birthed from).
* In effect these are either nymphomaniacs, and/or whores/prostitutes; just the type that extracts indirect payment "in kind" -- i.e. booze, drugs, dinners, various sugar-daddy "gifts", status validation display stuff, etc -- rather than charging cash directly by the hour.
In fact one could possibly even argue that -- ironic as it may seem -- a literal prostitute would (at least potentially, depending on how/why they got into the "biz") have a higher probability of transforming into a "successful wife" and "good mother" than the typical "nympho bar slut" (at least the former is more likely to be rational, and less likely to be a crazed hypergamous mental "head-case" cheating drama-&-chaos-queen).
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You have a lot of patience. I would have broken the first guys jaw, the white knights neck, and crushed that fat bitches larynx.
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I guess the sea shepard is patrolling college bars now too
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