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[–]pbrulesbigtime623 points624 points625 points 6 years ago (123 children) | Copy Link
Smart man. Probably why he was a billionaire in the first place.
[–]PBR_Sheetz336 points337 points338 points 6 years ago (111 children) | Copy Link
"Capitalism: God's way of determining who is smart and who is poor" - Ronald Ulysses Swanson
[–]synaptastik100 points101 points102 points 6 years ago (109 children) | Copy Link
Also who's exploitative, heartless, manipulative, and without spiritual merit.
[–]smfuel87141 points142 points143 points 6 years ago* (93 children) | Copy Link
At least capitalism doesn't shoot you into an un-marked mass grave. I think you may be a tad bit confused as to what is heartless, exploitative and without spiritual merit when you consider the alternative.
"OooOooHHhHH!!! But REAL Communism has NEVER been successfully implemented!!"
Haha, you really willing to role those dice?
Capitalism isn't all great. In fact, its kinda fk'd up. But it is the lesser of two evils.
The US has never truly been totally capitalistic or totally socialist. It has been a blend of the two which worked out quite nicely for us as a nation. Thats probably where we should stay. The closer you get to either end of the spectrum, the more shit becomes fk'd up.
[–]Dumaul23 points24 points25 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Capitalism is a pejorative term created by socialists to offend people who have it self interest in mind, what socialism really competes against in society is democracy and federalism. Basically capitalism is the strawman that socialists beats up to pretend it won an argument.
[–]dimaswonder5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're so right."Capitalism" was coined by Karl Marx as part of his explanation of inevitability of "scientific socialism."
It's not a "scientific" term at all, yet gullible believers in free markets use iot freely.
In early ages of science movements, all kinds of crazies slapped the term "scientific" on their theories, I guess like "digital" nowadays.
[–]smfuel873 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Amen sir.
[–]Lionsjunkie10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Communism has been successfully instituted in the United States. It’s called the prison system, the prison (state) gives you everything you need to live. Provides you places to socialize and exercise if you have good behavior. They do this in exchange for basically slave labor wages and complete obedience. You follow the rules you all live in misery together, you do not you are punished severely.
[–]iseehot4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
However, the money to pay for it comes from the capitalist environment it feeds on.
[–]fasterthanfood1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m not a communist, but a defining tenet of communism is that the workers own the means of production. Prisoners do not own the prison, nor do they make the rules for the prison. If a prisoner provides a valuable service, the fruits of that labor are not split among the prisoners.
I see the appeal of this as a talking point, but prisons aren’t really like communist society at all.
[–]prbonfanti7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And is always a lie, workers don't own anything , only the gov does. The political party split the gains between themselves and drop peanuts to the slaves. The tenets of communism are just marketing to make people submit willing, until they will have no power to escape from it.
[–]Kotaro-Atani2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
workers don't own anything , only the gov does. The political party split the gains between themselves and drop peanuts to the slaves.
That's one of the reasons we need Term Limits in Congress, because those Democrats been in there way too long.
[–]exlexicon0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It is more like the American Military. Huge bloated bureaucracy with no oversight, free housing, healthcare and education. And little to no control over the work you are doing but but it is work everyone is suppose to respect. Do you respect them troops? Fuckin commie!
[–]Electronic_Record0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
veritas
[–]synaptastik3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link
I didn't say I was a communist. The things you're praising capitalism for a more likely due to separation of powers.
[–]smfuel8726 points27 points28 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Thats a political comparison. Not an economic comparison. They have nothing to do with one another.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They actually have everything to do with each other.
[–]smfuel871 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not going to debate you. You're simply right because of your handle/name.
Love me my 'Maros..
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I also misred your original comment: I must have dropped the "comparison" part when I read it initially. Politics and economics are very interwoven into forms of government and how they function. I think you know that and I think we can agree that with a few exceptions, they should be as far apart from each other as possible.
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[–]smfuel878 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
What? What is?
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[–]smfuel876 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
All I corrected was a spelling error..
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[–]smfuel8716 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Well, I take that back. Communism is reliant on heavy government. Capitalism is reliant on individualism. I don't think you could have a Heavy handed capitalistic government or a Democratic Socialist government. I mean, you can have a Democratic Socialist nation... for 20-30 years.
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[–]smfuel879 points10 points11 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Independence and Communism ARE NOT compatible lol. WTF??
"Okay, I'm induhrrpendint from you and you can't take muh stuff!"
*State shoots you in the face and pushes you're lifeless corpse into a shallow pit.
*Takes your stuff anyway and redistributes 10% of it to Shaquanduh and her 14 illegitimate children and the other 90% to crony socialist diplomats.
[–]heenefreene2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are either an idiot female or an effeminate little bitchboy
[–]smfuel877 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I didn't suggest anything about one being better than the other..
Your sentiments were implied.
[–]D45_B0532 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Aah pedantry, the refuge of those unable to defend their views in a debate.
[–]heenefreene1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Semantics.... when you know you have no facts
[–]D45_B0536 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ask the Chinese how "independent" they are. And why Hong Kong is fighting against such glorious "Independence".
[–]heenefreene0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are an idiot.... spouting off ill informed and then claiming Wikipedia as a source you brainless unintelligent failure
[–]heenefreene4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re a snivelling douchebag
[–]hill12051 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Wait, what!?
[–]synaptastik6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Any centralized government is eventually going to get a lawless person in charge that has a bunch of loyals around them, and will start killing or starving people. That's not capitalism, that's centralized power. At least, that's the pattern so far.
That's a separate problem from capitalists exploiting workers and privatizing resources, like water.
[–]hill12056 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How do capitalists exploit workers? At least anymore than workers exploit capitalists?
Resources are either privatized, controlled by the state for the benefit of cronies or a public good. And we all know about the tragedy of the commons. The only way to protect resources is to privatize them.
[–]synaptastik3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you're in a 1st world country, you probably don't see all the ways that people are exploited for their labor. Somehow I'm being painted as against capitalism, but I'm not. I'm for constraining and balancing it out. Constraining capitalism is why we have a living wage.
I'm surprised you think privatizing is the 'only way to protect resources'. Maybe it's the only way to protect resources from other capitalist enterprises in a purely capitalist system, I'd agree with that. But anyway, capitalism is short sighted and greedy. We're just living in a particularly lucky time of growth and innovation. It will change soon enough.
[–]hill12055 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well first and third world are just political terms, with no defined or real meaning.
A living wage comes from capitalism. Capitalism is interested in maximum value. Lowering costs are used at times including labor other times increases productivity is more sought after.
Firms, like workers, are self interested and seek the most value in exchange for their available resource. For firms, this is capital resources, for workers, this is labor or skill.
See the worker sells his skills and labor to the firm. Considering both profit motive and time preference, they sell it at less than full value.
The worker profits and the firm profits.
To understand how capitalism protects resources let’s understand when things have a cost associated with them people tend to consume less. Generally the amount that strikes the balance between cost and need.
[–]hill12052 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
But regardless how are the things mentioned derived from separation of powers?
[–]synaptastik1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I was specifically referring to his first most colorful claim that communism will shoot you into a mass grave. Separation of powers slows down the ability to pull that off - among other things like cohesion and morality. Capitalism (in it's fundamental nature) centralizes, individuates, and boils everything down to dollars. Each of those is in direct opposition. So in my opinion, things have to be in balance, not one way or the other.
[–]hill12052 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Capitalism centralized? Can you expand on that a bit.
[–]YaoiPeddlerSempai2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Actually communism welcomes capitalism because capitalism leads to surplus production and therefore everyone can enjoy everything since there is soo much excess production however the problem of capitalism is that capitalists are selfish look at the Walton family for example. Capitalism is a stage in the whole cycle of communism it's the most fucked up stage but the Nordic countries are actually going beyond late stage capitalism and are becoming a "communist" economy. What was implemented by Stalin wasn't communism it was totalitarianism at it's finest really
[–]smfuel872 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
So, to paraphrase, "Communism wants you to put forth the effort and due diligence to generate revenue so that it can point a gun in your face and steal it for itself".
I rent a studio apartment, drive a 2001 GMC Truck with over 300,000 miles and regularly eat rice and beans. I'm an advocate of Capitalism and a denouncer of socialism. If anyone needs help, it's me. So I ask you lol, WHAT Fucking surpluses are you talking about? If any of you fucking communist assholes succeed in taking more of my income to redistribute to illegal immigrants or Syrian terrorists, say like how Bernie wants a flat 45% federal tax rate I'll start Civil War 2 myself.
[–]YaoiPeddlerSempai1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
(Quick question and mind you I'm not trying to be derogatory here have you read Das Kapital?) Communism welcomes capitalism only for the sake of surpluses. Say you have a truck now imagine that there is such a surplus of trucks that owning many is useless so if someone wanted to use the same truck model they'll have. To get the key and use it and park it somewhere so another person can use it
[–]tothrowornottothrow21 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
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[–]smfuel876 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Make a line graph and plot the economic trajectory of the US. Plot the line's trajectory with Y being GDP and X being the year. Along the X axis, also annotate the prevailing political trends and policy in place.
Note which way that line moves and which prevailing political trends are directly beneath the resultant direction.
Also, don't mistake 1960s Democratic policy for 2010s Social Marxism.
[–]tothrowornottothrow2-2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I don’t have to plot shit. All I have to do is look around at all the people I know and how much they’re struggling just to live. I can’t even afford a one bedroom apartment, let alone a fucking house. And you think we’re doing well? Pull the boot out of your mouth.
Wages have stagnated for everyone but the ultra rich while cost of living and everything in between keeps rising so that the rich can stay rich. Fuck them and you
[–]smfuel877 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not my problem you're incompetent. Socialism is the go-to choice of losers, and you illustrate my point perfectly. You can't fend for yourself so you want to send tax collectors and men with guns to my door to have me forced to pay your way? Yeah, get fucked faggot.
I'm not having a fucking great time either. I've spent two deployments over seas in fucking shit conditions, heat and squalor, got a degree and worked ten years in my current field, all so I can have my income halved by socialists to be redistributed to an unemployed ex wife, her unemployed husband and my two kids.
If you want to know what a socialist world would look like, just take a look at divorced men and apply that to every facet of life everywhere. That money has to come from somewhere! Don't wanna play along?! Prison/Gulag/Death Squad for you! And that somewhere is typically working, productive men. The second you finally become self-sufficient, your wages will be halved and redistributed to others who would rather not put forth the effort beyod moaning about how life isn't fair on reddit and how they deserve the resources of others.
Honestly, from the bottom of my heart, fuck you. You lazy, entitled piece of narcissistic shit. Plot my fucking Capitalistic balls on your chin.
[–]LarsOfTheMohican6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Or you just not as smart as you think you are and thus fall into the “smart vs. poor” dynamic for wealth striation
[–]tothrowornottothrow2-2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Everybody deserves to make enough to live regardless of what they do for work; period. Being smarter doesn’t make someone better than another less intelligent person; period.
[–]LarsOfTheMohican3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You don’t deserve anything for being born a human being. And higher IQ has shown time and again to make you better at doing things that earn you money than lower IQ. I can get you studies if you would like.
[–]dgillz1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Everybody deserves to make enough to live regardless of what they do for work
You are alive, so this cannot be your complaint.
[–]smfuel873 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Considering we have Pizza, Moon Landings and Mars Rockets..
..and most other nations have.. what? Malaria??
Yeah. I'd be willing to say it worked out nicely.
[–]tothrowornottothrow2-3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
While most of the population struggles to live? No
[–]smfuel8713 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Bitch, what? Don't you have your section 8 and obama phones?
I'll tell you where Americans are struggling to live from personal experience. Try Southern California, my home location. Why? Socialist policy!
- Environmental regs killing jobs and entire industries. - State practically invites drug addicts here with lax drug policy and warm weather. - 300-400 dollars per year to register a car for ONE year, and that is after you pay some crooked Smog tech 60-80 bucks, many times twice because ooOOhhHHH nnoOO!! You didn't pass that first time! Gotta do it AGAIN!! - Insane overpopulation thanks to illegal immigration / Insane Commute times. - High crime rates due to lax Liberal criminal policy and the associated high cost of funding public services to make it appear that the state isn't a complete dumpster fire. - Nearly 5 bucks per gallon for gas because all of the environmental taxes tied up in petroleum. - Fucking Baby Boomers everywhere poisoning the world further with their antiquated, "Make love not waaaarrr maaaaaan", "Don't trust anyone over thirty maaaaaaaaann" 40 years past relevant world views and continuing to vote for feel good shit rather than becoming situationally aware, fucking off or dying. - Illegal immigration drowning out nearly all basic jobs that were typically occupied by American kids or Americans on their second chance in life 30 or 40 years ago". - Rampant drug use and homelessness thanks to again, lax policy. (Honestly, I think all drugs should be completely legal, but if you choose to do so, Darwin can deal with you. Not tax payer funded shit..)
[–]tothrowornottothrow2-3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You’re a literal joke.
-If an industry is doing so much damage that it gets shut down due to new regulations, it fucking deserves it. -How stupid do you have to be to think a state literally says, “Welcome, addicts!”? -Rally your community and talk to your local politicians about exorbitant vehicular registration practices. -Overpopulation has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with the fact that nobody will fucking stop having kids. The world doesn’t need more people. The greed of these people who refuse to give up having kids is literally slowly killing all life on the planet. -Ever think that people resort to crime because of how poor they are and crime, while being high risk, is often lucrative? -Switch to electric and stop bitching. -The world doesn’t need more war. Military spending is a ridiculously, unnecessarily high expense for us and has an enormous carbon footprint. -If we’re doing so well, American kids don’t need the jobs because mommy and daddy can pay for everything with their huge salaries. If we’re doing so well, Americans don’t need a second chance at lofe because things are so great that they never fucked up in the first place. Since, ya know, homelessness is ALWAYS that person’s fault. -Everybody deserves healthcare regardless of the reason they need it. You think addicts don’t deserve it because “they chose to get addicted”? The person who was just in a vehicle collision chose to get in their car and drive somewhere before hat happened. You gonna deny them too?
[–]smfuel8711 points12 points13 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
-If an industry is doing so much damage that it gets shut down due to new regulations, it fucking deserves it.
Tell that to all of the furloughed oil field and railroad workers and see if you don't end up with a broken nose or worse.
-How stupid do you have to be to think a state literally says, “Welcome, addicts!”?
They basically do..
-Rally your community and talk to your local politicians about exorbitant vehicular registration practices.
Trump already got that ball rolling. Its in motion as we speak.
-Overpopulation has nothing to do with immigration and everything to do with the fact that nobody will fucking stop having kids.
Ah, well I sure as fuck had to stop. Lost more than half my shit for 20 years and can't afford a re-do. But Jose and Maria...? Yeah. They're just firing them off, collecting that sweet sweet american Tax funding and existing within their own indigenous economic microcosm.
-The world doesn’t need more people.
Funny you bring this up. Eugenicists and supporters of it tend to be very controlling, narcissistic sociopaths, whether rich Like Bill Gates or poor like you. Think about how fucked up that notion is. "I, the beacon that is all just and righteous, purveyor of truth and wisdom, forbid you from reproduction."
I mean, how fucked up is that to lord over someone or even support the revocation of another human's right, decision and base biological prerogative to have a fucking child? Its sick. Whats your game plan Mr. Communist Utopia? Drown all the female infants? Fucking sicko. So, free medical is supposedly a right, but Child bearing should not be a right? Fucking christ I hope we retain our guns to defend ourselves from authoritarian assholes like you.
-literally slowly killing all life on the planet.
The planet is not dying. It isn't Its not even close to dying! Petroleum Oil is as naturally occurring on this planet as moss and is the second most common naturally occurring fluid on earth. There were a multitude times more caustic emissions emitted from the Mt. St. Hellens eruption in 89' then of all human economic production since the industrial revolution. And that was a small eruption compared to the thousands, or tens of thousands of others. We're still here. Green Energy and Environmental regs, yes do need to be in place. Industry can be reckless and specific controls and measures need to be set in place but for the most part, Green Energy and Radical environmentalism is a government power-grab. Its an authoritarian nightmare fabricated of a boogy man, skewed statistics and hyperbole.
-Switch to electric and stop bitching.
Oh well here is the actual down-side of my prior argument. The consumption of rare-earth materials for the use in manufacturing batteries, solar panels and electronics and the excavation practices used to mine them from the earth. At the moment, an ecological, logistical and humanitarian nightmare. Why not just go with hydrogen? hhhmmMMMMM??? Easy to produce! The most abundant element in the universe! High energy potential and ZERO carbon emissions! Why no huge push for hydrogen? Because the Rare Earth miners and their interests beat hydrogen to the punch. Quantifiable energy is lucrative. Free energy is not.
-The world doesn’t need more war. Military spending is a ridiculously, unnecessarily high expense for us and has an enormous carbon footprint.
Uh...yes agreed but we can't stop the spending now. The labyrinth of treaties, technology and finance is too great to de-construct. I believe myself to be a Smedley Butler of lesser sorts but the time for reflecting on yesteryear and all of the good shit associated with it is far from over and gone. Blame your parents.
....Oh and fuck you and your "carbon footprint" bullshit. Oh my god.. Lets all sit in a fucking circle and and sing LESBIAN SEAGULL!!
-If we’re doing so well, American kids don’t need the jobs because mommy and daddy can pay for everything with their huge salaries.
What the delusional fuck are you talking about? Yeah...okay. You're confirmed crazy. I'm done entertaining this shit. Go jerk off to your Bernie poster or some shit. I don't give a fuck.
Loser.
[–]smfuel872 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hey, if you choose to put a fucking needle in your arm or take up knocking over 7-11s as a hobby and suffer the consequences for doing so, ITS NOT MY FUCKING PROBLEM!!!
[–]tothrowornottothrow20 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How about you look address the root of the cause instead of just being worried about the symptoms. Do you think a normal, healthy, sound of mind person just picks up a needle full of heroin one day and says, “I think I’ll try heroin today! Sounds fun!”? No, that’s not how it works at all. These people need help, not jail.
I'm not saying they should be in jail, but the state shouldn't be rewarding the behavior. You're a eugenics supporter right? Why not just pull state aid to drug addicts, let Darwinism take it's course and lead to a future with fewer addicts and products of addicts. Thin the heard out a bit. Then follow up on Chinese imported fentanyl supply lines and cut them off.
...but we always decades later that these social problems were actually CIA operations set in motion to derive a desired social climate.
[–]Catabisis0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Tothrowornottothrow, remember, he said capitalism is God’s way of determining who is smart and who is poor. I can guess by your response which category you reside.
[–]TheRandomRGU0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaltrainal_v._Coca-Cola_Co.
[–]ZergSuperHighway-3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Lol, you say this sitting from the comfort of your home which decades of imperialism and genocide has awarded you, the happy consumer, with a material abundance you never toiled and bled to secure, and thus hardly deserve.
How many family members have you gotten to watch get ripped in half; shit, blood, and stomach bile spewing forth in a fountain of death because an Apache attack helicopter deceived you were target practice? How many drone strikes have you had to endure?
Do you know what it’s like to be forced off your land, raped, murdered and driven to near extinction for no other reason than “progress” and Manifest Destiny?
You were born into a debt you will spend an entire life of wage slaving to climb out of. You will likely die having been spoon fed a diet only consisting of the “America dream” and being told anything is possible as long as you pull yourself up from your bootstraps. Likely you’ll die in debt, which will pass onto your children, who will also get stuck with an exorbitant ambulance bill for just dumping your decaying ass off at the morgue.
Capitalism has allowed the very DNA that holds us together to become privatized and owned by a corporation. Don’t believe me? Look up Glaxo Smith Klines buyout of 23 and me. Capitalism has allowed special interest groups -mostly respirating the massive oligarchal corporations that view you as nothing but a number.
The MIC, big pharm, big Agra, the international banking cartel, a for-profit prison system, the massive inflation we see today because of the petro-dollar isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on, and even USA incorporating, to name a few, all exist because of capitalism. Round-up, Teflon, agent Orange, the war on drugs, the never ending war in the Middle East, militarized civilian police that kill people and get paid vacations, politicians and banksters that steal tax payer money and get off Scott free, and the increased cost of living all exist because of capitalism.
Capitalism is a system that values profit and strives for profit over any and all prerogatives. Capitalism stops at nothing and will stomp on anything or snuff or any human life that intervenes or threatens to disrupt the flow of $.
Capitalism, like every other production system that’s existed since the 19th century is highly ineffective, inefficient, and out-dated.
Capitalism is not the lesser or two evils. Arguing which is worse is a waste of time and a distraction from trying to theorize a new system that benefits the progress of man-kind, rather than a small, evil elite that if were to ever have to interface with normal people like us would look on us with pure hatred and disdain. They hate humanity and are working steadily towards its reduction.
Lol unmarked graves...think about what you said a little more critically.
[–]smfuel876 points7 points8 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol, genocide and imperialism? Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot you prefer Cambodian killing fields, gulags and terror. My first ancestor on this continent was a Member of the Union Army. He was executed at Andersonville by the Confederacy. Every other male in my family has served in the Navy or or Marine Corps since. I think we came to this country, left it in better shape than we found it and earned our keep. Get fucked. TLDR the rest of your psychobabble.
[–]SkyiHiker5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't like Capitalism? Nice! Simply move to Venezuela. Alternatively, go completely off grid and become 100% homestead. 😁🤣
[–]ButtFart884 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You paint a horrifying picture I will never experience under capitalism. Conversely, watching my family members get ripped in half (or more specifically sent to a gulag or watch starve to death) will happen in my life time if we elect a communist. Yay progress!
Also, I love how you blame the military industrial complex on capitalism. How many drone strikes did the leftist god Obama order again?
[–]synaptastik3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
When you're constantly sated, it's easy to overlook and forget all the utterly horrific things unabetted capitalism does to people and the world.
Capitalism is helpful, but it has to be controlled and countered to account for it's drawbacks, until we come across a better system.
[–]smfuel8710 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lol, there may be another economic system?
I mean, you believe there are 2398 genders so why not huh?
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[–]smfuel872 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'd prefer to separate you from the Union. Build a wall around you or something..
[–]kurtu51 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What the fuck does all those examples of state malfeasance have to do with the private(i.e. non-state) control over the means of production?
[–]i_need_more_happy-5 points-4 points-3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Lesser of two evils
[–]smfuel876 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
See, this is why you leftists continue to lose and wear your asses as hats. Everything is absolute. There is no in between or middle ground. It's always fixation on one exclusive end to any argument. Complete black and white.
[+]i_need_more_happy-9 points-8 points-7 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ok boomer
I'm 32.
[–]redditor_aborigine3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No u
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Both Capitalism and Communism have people who exploit the system for personal profit. The difference is where in Capitalism in the US, people have the ability to call it out and boycott it freely without it actually effecting their lives, in communism, it's really only products based on needs and the collectivist mindset. Many people who fled communist states like Poland, Hungary, Ukraine, Latvia, Cuba, Lithuania, Czechoslovakia and Eastern Germany, for examples, stated that the quality of life in the Western Capitalist states were of higher standard compared to Eastern Bloc states...
I believe in a free market system where small businesses can thrive without feeling as if they're going to be overpowered by corporate entities. The problem is that corporate entities can streamline and mass sale their products with a higher availability of stock and product producers compared to small businesses, or, like Microsoft and Apple, have an overwhelmingly successful monopoly on particular products of their industry with very few challenging competitors (phones being the only competitive market for Google, Samsung and Apple)...
No system provides all the answers, but for me, I prefer to not have government telling me what I do and dont need, and collectivist taking any property that I could have because it's not "fair" to those who haven't achieved what I have achieved...
And that's where the difference of Capitalism and Communism comes in.
Communism takes what you have in excess for redistribution, despite your earning it by your own hard work.
Capitalism is letting you keep it and share it towards a good cause without any provocation or a gun to yours or your family's head...
[–]synaptastik0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I understand 'why' this is the topic in response to my comment. But I'm just criticizing that quote.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know. I just wanted to elaborate for those who may not understand, economics, at its core, is a heartless machine of math and science...
No system can be "empathetic"...
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Something tells me you're poor, or working a dead end job and doing nothing to better yourself.
This is why whiny, heavily indebted college kids want socialism so bad. A poly trans pregnant bearded man with tits named Soulful Effervescent is butthurt their Gender Studies degree didn't get them their desired $20,000/yr "Culture Critics" writing job at Vice, so they spend 15 hours a day screaming about perceived injustices to their 8 Twitter followers.
Yet it never occurs to them if they got the fuck off the internet for five goddamn minutes and do something useful, they'd maybe better themselves and make more money.
I've noticed the only kind of people who rail against capitalism are usually weak-willed, mentally ill pansies who spend their life bitching instead of doing.
[–]DepravedWalnut5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just the way I like it. Unironically
[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You just described every Communist dictator, lol
Oh who hurt you, you pathetic non achiever
[–]YogiSecrets1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, you’ll actually find out that most exploitative people don’t make it far in business. Reputation is 🔑
[–]pn11591 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well he said smart.
[–]synaptastik1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ruthlessly clever might be the better terms then.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's definitely not the only way to succeed in a capitalist society. And everything you mentioned applies to every other ideology especially the state controls...
You can succeed honestly in Capitalism if you find the means to make it happen. It requires hard work and determination, but to think you have to be any of the things you listed is asinine and wrong.
You don't have to be, but it helps a lot
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
but it helps a lot
You have to be feared, well liked and or well integrated first. You can just burst into the capitalism game and asshole. Family names can also carry a lot of weight so realistically as an outsider in order to succeed you have to play nice for a while.
You mean the economic system that has brought the most humans out of abject poverty. Billions of souls saved. The system that removed the nasty brutish and short, from existence. The system that has you complaining about it, from your living room to thousands?
This heartless system? Yeah fuck off you unappreciative cunt bag.
[–]azkoimo0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe the capitalism as stated in definition but not this monopolised n controlled from above capitalism
[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All billionaire wahmen on Earth (there are just a few) inherited the money from family or husband. I posted a list a while back. Not ONE of those loathsome roasties made their own money (except Oprah, ok).
[–]Stevielou902 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Can someone please explain to me why you guys hate ALL women? I really don't understand?
[–]Original_Dankster6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You obviously don't understand, because these guys don't hate all women.
They understand female behaviour and psychology.
You can understand that all bears are prone to attack, potentially dangerous, and avoid them without actually "hating" bears.
[–]Stevielou90-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's ridiculous. Not all women have the same behaviour and psychology. Just because the attention seeking hoes are the ones online posting so have the most exposure doesn't mean that all woman are like that. There are base instincts that are the same but that not the same thing. Just like because some men are rapistss doesn't make all men rapists. Far too much generalisation
[–]dalbert020 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I really wish I could upvote more than once.
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[–]JihadNinjaCowboy10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Technically he copied it not stole it, because the original post is probably still there.
[–]Iqbal40862715322 points323 points324 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
It’s pretty sweet seeing a gold digging whore get outsmarted
[–]CdVrfl175 points176 points177 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
From beyond the grave no less.
She was literally outsmarted by a pile of rotted bones.
[–]Considered_Dissent16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I will at least give her credit in terms of will power for holding off the promise of those sweet Billions until he was down to "a pile of rotting bones" as you put it, and so harder to disprove her bullshit.
Many modern women wouldnt be able to hold out like that.
[–]ShiftyShapeshifter37 points38 points39 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
If there was even a 0.0001% chance I was the heir of a billionaire, I’d be a gold digger too.
[–]nayvote29 points30 points31 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
True. If you wiki the guy, and follow the citations, turns out she was told by her mom her whole life he was her dad. So it's not the daughter's fault she was lied to. But she still don't deserve nunna that cheddar.
[–]Iqbal408627154 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do you believe that? I bet the kid threw her mother under the bus to make it seem like she isn’t a vapid soulless money grubbing twat
[–]nayvote4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
In the court proceedings she produced letters from her mother saying he was her dad.
[–]turboshank2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I fucking love it.
[–][deleted] 134 points135 points136 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The guy clearly understood women.
[–]yg11115 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
5d chess
[–]bradtwo119 points120 points121 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
A person of that wealth could also pay a complete stranger for their DNA, filing it as their own.
[–]crityouallday212 points213 points214 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
He does not have to. He has the one thing women don't possess, Integrity.
[–]megamanxtc62 points63 points64 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
We all need some 'tegridy
[–]crityouallday23 points24 points25 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just don't buy from butters
[–]Silverblade54 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Butters' special goo.
[–][deleted] 43 points44 points45 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
He could, but you think it would be a two step process in court - establish that this is his DNA, establish that it does not match the ex-wife's daughter.
[–]DiosanXaq12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Also if she is his daughter why would he not want her to inherit at least some of wealth
[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You do know that many parents cut their brats out of their wills, right?
[–]DiosanXaq1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Many is an exaggeration and also I am applying oceans razor. It is more likely that his wife had her before they ever had sex... This his certainty She is not his daughter ...
[–]StBlops2cel_is_Lord1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
oceans razor.
Is that related to Occam's Razor?
[–]DiosanXaq0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes autocorrect does things like that... yes Occam's razor
[–]Joco1515153 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn’t work that way. You don’t just turn in a sample. They take it off of you.
[–]LiveTheTruth32169 points70 points71 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wonder if the ex-wife was still alive when the DNA test was done and what the look on her face would be if she was. All I know is I'd be laughing my ass off.
[–]fish_oil_7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Unfortunately she passed away before that.
[–]cliffbot35 points36 points37 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's funny to think he did this in secret and caught her off guard during the lawsuit 😂😂
[–]bk683030 points31 points32 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Genius!
[–]MethaCat23 points24 points25 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So, a female version of the Joker.
[–]BurberryOnassis21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He was also a very smart businessman. My namesake Ari Onassis modelled his ship buying practices from this man. Even though the.former is more famous. Ludwig was a very low-key billionaire. So off the radar most americans to this day don't know who he is but he was worth more than most of the shipping tycoons of his day.
[–]PipBoyTInkerer20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
KILL FROM THE GRAVE!
[–]oirectine0017 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Women aren't only in it for the mon...."
[–]smfuel8716 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
HAha, even as a billionaire, you still get fucked around on. You're just never enough, every time. I don't understand why men still sign that dotted line.
[–]DeplorableToast15 points16 points17 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not all heroes ware capes!
[–]thx315813 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This post made my day
[–]IceHistory014 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wow, men are truly blessed with the gift of vision. What an incredible foresight!
[–]avocadoman3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Probs rubbed one out into a cup and the post nut clarity let him make use of it.
[–]IceHistory01 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol@post nut clarity... We all know that's a very real thing
[–]Black_Jackel11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
God he was a genius
[–]attongirdeaux8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is why if you have money you pay out the ass for financial and estate planning.
[–]ZarathustraX137 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh man, that's a look I wanna see when she found out there is DNA of him still around.
[–]JihadNinjaCowboy8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That is epic.
Like a boss.
[–]redveinlover6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'd give anything to have seen the look on that gold digging twat's face when the results came in and she was officially told to fuck off with her claims.
[–]Smiliey4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
An additional benefit to preserving genetic material aside from cloning yourself.. lol.
[–]bigga72 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If I was a billionaire I’d implement a plan like that
[–]EdwardSandchest3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That girl must hate her mother
[–]phracea3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Boss.
[–]scira3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When did this happen? I have a feeling if it wasn't in the past few years that nowadays the courts would find a reason to rule in her favor anyway.
[–]MMA17933 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I got banned from a sub for suggesting Mackenzie Bezos didn't gain her wealth, and position at Amazon solely from marrying Jeff Bezos. The delusion with women thinking riding a dick = some kind of society helping skill is growing stronger by the day.
They couldn't accept that she cashed out because he fucked up and cheated.
[–]Double_Cake2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Plot twist: he stored someone else’s DNA as his own in order to fuck her over and he IS actually her father.
[–]Mathiya2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I bet she's cursing his grave
[–]Hilarious_Haplogroup2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bizarre...though in the U.S. you can legally disinherit any and all legitimate children as well as anyone who claims to be your child falsely.
The lowest amount you can leave a spouse is 50%. Even in death, the bitch is entitled to half of your wealth at the minimum.
[–]rejac2182 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is reality boys.
[–]CarlCarlton2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www.nydailynews.com/archives/news/court-clips-heir-claim-fortune-article-1.721043
Trying to steal from cancer patients... What a thot
[–]LarryGHOW2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Smell of fucking victory even after death. Based brother.
[–]jdub25721 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ha ha smart man. He knew his wife lol
[–]KleenexSalesman1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You shouldnt give your wealth to your daughter or any child for yhat matter. Let them work the way you did and earn their own money.
[–]PradeepDungdung1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
holy shit that's a 1000 IQ move
[–]MrMagtow1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Captain Backhand from the Grave! Winner!
daaaamn
[–]mapoftasmania[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Coming as a TV soap opera plot-line next year...
[–]kubicas0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Check mate.
[–]ThePanther19890 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn! That was a better cliffhanger reveal than the Empire Strikes Back! Salute!
[–]nicolaivasili0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice
[–]mukhtar240 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Amazing
[–]yf7bc765xkl0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Rich people are exempt even from divorce court, if they can shell the money on lawyers and brokers to lock their wealth down. The average man cant do this.
[–]DownVotesWrongsOnly0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now that's masterful foresight.
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