We're really slaves to powerful men

DarthSchadenfreude · 2018-11-14T19:12:56+00:00

If you really want to know why the powerful male elite (e.g. Rockefeller, Ford, etc in the 70's) promote feminism, gynocentrism and the welfare state, it is because it is replicating a much older form of society, where a handful of men have all the wealth and reproduce with the women.

Essentially women and feminists are just tools of the elite, just like court systems and police are, for controlling and keeping down the vast numbers of men that are essentially "free-range" slaves.

betterredthenwed · 2018-11-14T18:15:22+00:00

True words. You are a philosopher and gentleman if you recognize that. The whole fucking planet is a plantation. Independent people, at best, are sharecroppers.

justtenofusinhere · 2018-11-14T18:55:31+00:00

You're looking at it incorrectly. You think freedom is not having obligations, that's not freedom, that's death because only the dead have no obligations. Everything is interconnected. You must have things to live: food, water, air, shelter, etc. Imagine if you had to provide everything for your self, and had to provide every aspect of everything you need. As long as you have need, you have an obligation to provide that need. You can do it all yourself, or you can contract others to help you in exchange for helping them. That's the basis for life.

How you navigate that need/obligation paradigm, is what separates the truly powerful from the rest. The myth that is so often sold is one best meets his needs by being a producer who can then trade what he has produced for what others have produced. That's the basis of the middle class. Governments don't produce anything, yet they are flush with money through taxes. many huge industries don't produce anything, and of those that we think do, they really don't. The key is to be a facilitator.

Take Apple. I don't think "Apple" produces anything---directly. But man do they facilitate the production of "smart" devices. They hire engineers to design, subcontractors to produce, marketers to create demand and they just collect profits every step of the way.

Freedom, as much as what you seem to desire, comes through facilitation. For example, have someone else build an apartment, primarily financed by a bank's money, hire an agency to find renters and provide on site care, who then rent it out to a young couple needing shelter. And you collect profit. All you did was facilitate the other producers and service providers. It's what Hollywood Executive producers do.

The more you do this and accumulate, the more profit you have which means the more you can do with less effort. That is how you maximize freedom.

captainsaveahoe69 · 2018-11-14T20:20:50+00:00

At least you don't live at a time when you were drafted, sent in to a pointless slaughter house and died in a muddy field somewhere.

I'm 51 and I've never had to participate in a war, a very lucky generation indeed.

TVTestPattern · 2018-11-14T19:23:32+00:00

Indeed... these are the fruits of cultural marxism writ large.

It's what makes the "red pill" analogy so appropriate.

If attacked, a man will fight back... but if you subvert his instinct to provide and protect by destroying the objects of his affections you can destroy him without firing a shot.

Brilliant really.

RedditUnrealAcct · 2018-11-14T18:37:39+00:00

Society is where we all agree to curtail some individual freedoms in order to gain some other stability.

If you find that not worth it, then don't participate in it. There are countries with no real rule of law. Go there and be as free as you can.

But personally I think freedom isn't an absolute but exists on a continuum. None of us are free of age. We're never going to be free of bodily needs like hunger. You and me and everyone you know is stuck on this one planet. We have a limited spectrum of light we can see. Hearing too.

These and many others are the limits to our experience. Are you a 'slave' to binocular vision? Using such a pejorative term doesn't help in understanding.

If you really want to be free, define your terms, first.

Magnar96 · 2018-11-14T20:11:56+00:00

This is why I've always thought of the hermit life as appealing, just you, no one else around to try to own you. I don't have the skills or ambition to achieve it but it's a relaxing subject to think about.

tramese · 2018-11-14T20:58:21+00:00

this is truth....the biggest enemy is the state with socialism and the taxes.

You think you own your property? property taxes is the same as renting from the state.

socialism and gynocentrism must collapse to get our liberty back.

Remember the old saying by our founding fathers? "NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION"

boisdevie · 2018-11-14T18:08:56+00:00

Some things you do have dominion over. For example, I try to earn so little that I won't pay income tax - the personal allowance here in the UK is £13k. And I live on a boat so don't pay property tax. As for government, you can possibly move to another location where there is less government.

John_Allen_Reever · 2018-11-15T00:42:06+00:00

The next step is for you to learn who those powerful men are and what their agenda is.

Helikzhan · 2018-11-15T00:42:42+00:00

I don't personally subscribe to the ultimate evil. Rather I think we're fully capable of destroying ourselves and indeed any parent who allows the mainstream media into the lives of their children today are dangerously complicit.

What I do think is we all own our own failures. If you have trouble telling this consumer media no then that's your issue. Sure, there is always a tax man and that's something unconstitutional in itself. THAT needs to be fought. Aside from the obvious constitutional breach of government, the rest is really up to you as an individual to avoid.

For example this Black Friday coming up. If you submit your earnings to it you're a part of the problem. That's the only way to end the consumer-driven society and to return agency to the people. Money controls Washington D.C. and through D.C. they control us. You control the money by not buying their goods. Remember that.

The worst programming inflicted on humanity isn't liberalism or capitalism or socialism. It's ad marketing. It's endless programming of your mind telling you that you need things. You need nothing but nutrition, sleep and a modicum of responsibility. The cruelest of which is done to your loved ones that make it so they believe you don't love them if you don't buy useless shit.

For real. Throw the media out of your house if you want a sane, frugal family life.

tylermagnus · 2018-11-15T00:25:46+00:00

We are going towards a cashless society. Wether people like it or not. At first it will be seen as a comfort. No need for a wallet anymore. They'll put a digital chip into you. With all of your data and money. Everything will be connected.

What the elite are trying to do is making you an absolute slave. We already are confined in a space that they created. Giving us the illusion of freedom. Basically what it comes down to. Everyone will be chipped in the future. When they think you're a threat to the system. Your chip will be deactivated. Someone still helps you. Their chip will be deactivated as well. Essentially creating this collective hive mind. Where you either join them or you're an outcast.

Everything will be connected to this system. Money, internet, social media. You'll be a literal outcast. With no way of coming back.

The new world order. One monetary system, one gender, one military force, one educational system, one way of thinking, one religion.

Think its a joke? Look at what is happening in the world.

NightOuts · 2018-11-14T21:15:22+00:00

Interesting post --- my slightly offtopic opinion

By this, I mean that there is always a landlord, always a bank, always a government which, no matter how much money I have, still has dominion over me.

I've been thinking about this and thinking of ways against this. Eventually, u just gon have to buy an island somewhere and create your own form of currency. I need to read up on this more.

but mid term goal = own land, create a cryptocurrency that would be accepted globally and easily accessible.

We really don't even have control over our money at all . Paypal can fuck you over at any second. Your bank can freeze your shit. Your credit card processor can hold your funds. Customers who buy stuff from you can EASILY get their money back via scams. I've been thinking about ways to battle this kind of stuff for months.

MuleFool42 · 2018-11-14T22:02:20+00:00

This is why you pay everything off and become debt free. Yeah, you'll get taxed on your property but you can also create tax shelters to offset those taxes to come out ahead. So, to be free, you have to know how to play the game. You don't have to oppress other men to do it either. Eliminate the bank in your life (Loans, Mortgages) and mitigate/eliminate the government (taxes) by creating shelters for yourself so that you pay the minimum or nothing.

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DWShimoda · 2018-11-14T20:10:31+00:00

No matter what I do, no matter how much money I have, no matter how much investments, though I can live independently, I do not have sovereignty.

First, this has been true of the vast majority of humans throughout history.

Second, in many (and important) ways you actually probably have MORE "freedom" than just about any PRIOR generation -- you certainly have more freedom to travel about (even long distances, relatively VERY quickly, with a minimal of effort, and "in comfort" in a manner that a Maharaja couldn't have imagined).

Third, if you think that the vast majority of men/people in "positions of power" ACTUALLY HAVE "sovereignty"... as opposed to themselves being "slaves" (to their OWN ambitions, as well as their various "puppet masters" and/or "Blackmailers")... then you're incredibly NAIVE.

Quit your fucking WHINGING... make the BEST of the hand you're dealt, the times that you live in.

For Fucks Sake, the world DOESN'T actually revolve around your little "snowflake" arse... never has, never will.

TheLastMgtow · 2018-11-14T22:08:34+00:00

Been there done that. Arrived at one conclusion.

We were only relatively free before agriculture.

Even if you go live in a forest now, your food sources are completely inneficient and they dont compare to what they once in terms of nutrition.

Food now makes you sick, you dont thrive, and at certain point you need medication.

So yeah. Bottom line is, we use to be very happy in this world, we use to only have to care about where to go to hunt, and rest the rest of the day.

Nature was so abundant, that you could basically live off nature, you only had to cycle between regions once in a while, like the native americans use to do.

What happened was greed. And greed is basically a female thing. Civilization arised not as a coincidence but as necessity to the depletion of wild sources, due to humans overeproducing and concentrating in certain places.

Thats when you got agriculture, religion, armies, politics, trade.

Every single pleasure and convenience you have in your life has a price, and the price is your freedom.

robowriter · 2018-11-14T23:22:15+00:00

Sexual liberation is a political tool.

Psyops when they want to conquer an enemy. Tokyo Rose during WW2 had this purpose. Delilah did it to Samson to leave his superior army leaderless. What a woman will say and do to dominate a male in a relationship. She liberated you sexually, but now your her slave, and vice versa.

It removes the value system of the United States and replaces it with horrible consequence.

The_Stumper · 2018-11-14T18:18:46+00:00

It sucks but when you live with others in a country, there’s a few rules and regulations and fees to pay.

The question you need to ask yourself is which you prefer more.

civilization/infrastructure or freedom?

If it’s the latter, there’s nothing really stopping you from finding an uninhabited island somewhere.

There, you control the shots. No taxes. No rules.

No anything.

801735 · 2018-11-14T18:19:47+00:00

Powerful men use women as tools to weaken and subjugate other men.

It's women's fault.

hrm0894 · 2018-11-14T21:06:25+00:00

Wow. Belongs in critical shower thoughts /r/C_S_T

deathtocontrollers · 2018-11-15T09:13:20+00:00

So I use tools and weapons and coercion and distractions (women and media) to rule over other men.

Divide and conquer. You turn everyone against each other. You ruin everyone for other people etc so there can be no peace, no solidarity. And then beneath you, is nothing but a bunch of Bonobos fighting each other, fucking, eating, sleeping while you sit on your golden throne... And this ensures all the alpha males die off without leaving offspring as well because true alpha males don't want anything to do with modern Western women. True alpha males don't want anything to do with cum dumpsters that can destroy their lives in the blink of an eye. So the genepool will only produce slave material in the future. And it's all so easy for these powerful people to do this because most human beings have sponge like brains that are easily brainwashed. Most human beings have brains that can just be filled with anything. Not many human beings can actually question the shit being shoved into their brains and then put up defenses when it is discovered to be shit.

easeanddelight · 2018-11-14T19:17:05+00:00

Great post OP.

banned_by_cucks · 2018-11-14T23:50:12+00:00

Men have always had a dominance instinct. Men have evolved to kill and cuck other men. It's an unfortunate truth.

ShrewdSilver · 2018-11-15T00:40:04+00:00

Perfectly stated man.. the United States was supposed to be a land of sovereigns they've turned us into citizens...

Faryshta · 2018-11-15T01:46:16+00:00

Just like most female gender stereotypes are known and enforced only by women, most male gender and stereotypes are only known and enforced by men.

For example I have seen many times guys saying things like "if he is so successful why is he still single?" or pressure other guys into marriage/kids. No one wants to date a bitch or marry her but seems that pressuring someone else into doing so its ok.

White knighting is real, some guys will defend the bitchest girl because she is a girl and would 'devil advocate' anything she does. Go to r/nicegirls and see it yourself. A male HR who interviewed me once asked nothing about me only about my gf because "if you can keep a good girl then you know how to work".

My dad gave me the talk of "she is not pretty enough for you" when he meet my current gf, I gave him the talk of "my choice, not yours" and ignored him, but with my younger brothers it worked a few times.

If you want to dismantle gender norms for guys the best you can do is NOT antagonizing females, but calling out males who try to impose gender norms on other guys.

nenieco · 2018-11-15T08:26:03+00:00

Makes total sense, women are just puppets of the elite and feminism, sexual freedom, empowerment and all that bullshit is a distraction from the real problem. As usual, they create oppositions, in this case men-women, so we put our attention on that and forget them. Propaganda, manipulation... and finally the society becomes as they want it to be.

wandering468 · 2018-11-14T18:29:45+00:00

stiil yhey are slaves to their commodities

wildfireboat · 2018-11-14T23:35:22+00:00

I have to pay property tax even when I own the property outright

You could run for office and win by promising to abolish property tax and income tax. But nOoOoO my comments always get downvoted...

Widerstand543 · 2018-11-15T01:27:14+00:00

Nightmares start after gazing into the abyss. In some ways plantation serfs are enviable because they don't know in how deep shit they are in.

MethaCat · 2018-11-15T01:30:13+00:00

True, and guess what? You can't choose not to participate, because everything is owned by someone under the guise of things like "democracy", "free enterprise", "common good", etc.

So unless you want to starve to death, you will be a good boy and you will pay your taxes and either be a slave or a slaver.

At 18/21 you get to be an adult, wouldn't that time be also be a good time to decide whether you want in or out of this bullshit? Oh, but you have no choice, not a real one for that matter.

Alex-113 · 2018-11-15T03:44:20+00:00

Not only that, women also have nothing without simps in police and armies to enforce gynocentric laws.

eltonl · 2018-11-15T04:59:08+00:00

Are you preaching anarchism

I-am-the-lul · 2018-11-15T07:52:57+00:00

What you are describing is Patriarchy 2.0

In Patriarchy 1.0, it used to be:

The Powers That Be
Men
Women

But since feminism appears over a century ago, Patriarchy changed into this, Patriarchy 2.0:

The Powers That Be
Women
Men

TPTB exploit male nature which values women as well as wanting to protect and provide for them as a buffer as the greatest threat to TPTB have always being new upcoming men so women have become their social meat-shields. Take the push for women to automatically be believed even without evidence, you can bet that TPTB will use these laws to eliminate many of their greatest threats in the coming years.

vega-mgtow · 2018-11-15T10:02:25+00:00

I see more of these type of posts. This is the next level of awakening within The Red Pill, just as the RP was to the BP and MGTOW was to the original RP.

Yes, men have handled women just fine from time immemorial. Women hold no true power over men, look instead at the hand behind the curtain. Watch the puppeteer.

Asperger_Mgtow · 2018-11-14T20:20:45+00:00

Maybe working a serious man strike for 2 or 3 days stalling economy for real may help..

Us males have been too tolerant and too compliant for too long. We have to call it a limit.

If we say "enought is enought" and we undergo strike worldwide, effects would be so serious that could take decades to fix and render us far more powerful and feared for real..

footfan73 · 2018-11-14T21:33:55+00:00

I must say I point my middle finger to those systems and I’m free of them mentally at least

GlobalAsshat · 2018-11-14T23:08:23+00:00

It's not just women, it's also minorities and diversity, or a melting pot culture.

lmorsino · 2018-11-14T23:09:04+00:00

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Tallsmarthandsome · 2018-11-14T23:34:37+00:00

This is a childish oversimplification,sounds a lot like Patriarchy Theory?

SeaweedTasteBad · 2018-11-14T23:49:37+00:00

It's like the Planter Elite pre-Civil War

hkl8324 · 2018-11-15T00:51:28+00:00

You maybe right, the elite wanted to do so, but they opened up a pandora box even they no longer can take full control of.

There would be no female president candidate if things are in line.

avtarius · 2018-11-15T02:14:21+00:00

Regardless of the environment, a power hierarchy will always form and exist for as long as the king(s) of the hill strive to stay in power.

Currency is but the most recent form of this control.

P1000123 · 2018-11-15T03:44:24+00:00

Is there a MGTOW or Red Pill kind of breakdown of men? I feel like I understand the feminine very thoroughly now, but what about the masculine? What happens when you put masculinity under a microscope, by people who are qualified, not feminist and crazy SJW types. I've been interested in this kind of information for a while.

Barmacist · 2018-11-15T04:07:15+00:00

Yep, at the end of the day only worry what you can do to maximize your happiness and freedom with in the system. You cannot worry about people who won the game before they were even born or are just that far superior to the average Joe.

You can, as you stated, reach a point where you can pay your obligations (taxes, fees, food costs) and be left alone. Thats what we should focus on. No one is a god.

figyg · 2018-11-15T05:26:17+00:00

I mostly agree. The only thing I'd amend is that we're not subjugated by men so much as by institutions (corporations, government, etc) They just happen to be run mostly by men, because, well, a lot of reasons. Probably what women mean when they cry about patriarchy. Accept they generally don't have the self awareness to acknowledge that they are actually being weaponized against the general population

screwston281 · 2018-11-15T07:32:32+00:00

Thanks for sharing. Making men think one post at a time.

mgtow_guy · 2018-11-15T08:48:50+00:00

If you're willing to downgrade your lifestyle and let loose of friends and colleagues that most likely wouldn't do much for long if anything when shit hits the fan you can be very free.

You could move to the rural US / Canadian countryside, Eastern Europe, South America or South East Asia tomorrow and live a normal live on a couple hundred bucks a month and it doesn't take a genius to maintain that even in tough economic times as long as you have a laptop and access to the internet.

Itisforsexy · 2018-11-15T12:19:52+00:00

I have to pay property tax even when I own the property outright.

This is the true point, where you know you're a slave to the state. You cannot actually buy land or property. You pay taxes on "your" land in perpetuity, so in effect, the state is your landlord. At best, you're leasing the land and property at the pleasure of the state.

Allodial title, that's true freedom, but you cannot obtain that anymore. The government; powerful men, they do not want free thinkers and free beings. This is also why there is significant pushback against off-grid living.

If technology affords it, we may see therapies that allow for the pausing or repair of aging (or its damages). Eternal life, free from internal death. That, coupled with off-world living, that may be the only possibility of obtaining true freedom.

PhantomCowboy · 2018-11-15T12:22:05+00:00

"mission accomplished"

2018-11-15T14:29:01+00:00

You don't own land. You only lease it from the state. Don't pay your property taxes and the land gets taken away. You only own what you can carry with you at a dead run. I believe that and have adjusted my attitude accordingly.

Wampyr420 · 2018-11-15T14:59:45+00:00

I think exactly the same, my plan is to retire early to a peaceful developing country with low COL

2018-11-15T16:44:53+00:00

No matter what I do, no matter how much money I have, no matter how much investments, though I can live independently, I do not have sovereignty.

By this, I mean that there is always a landlord, always a bank, always a government which, no matter how much money I have, still has dominion over me.

I'm sure the people that have to pay for whatever it is that you do feel exactly the same way about you.

2018-12-23T22:48:43+00:00

This is exactly what the Unabomber must have felt in his cabin back in the 80s and 90s, leading to his bombings and the publication of his manifesto, which BTW is a must-read if you want to understand why you're feeling the way you do.

user_miki · 2018-11-14T18:49:26+00:00

"Powerful men use women as tools to weaken and subjugate other men. "

I totally disagree ,

Women use weak men, to subjugate other men.

If powerful men rule we will not see everything in favor to women, we will not see women first(it negates men attribute as powerful). Everything in our society favors women.For this reason is called gynocentrism.

When you slave for your wife at home and she fucked around, is not powerful men fault.When she divorce raped you is not powerful men fault.

Have a look at men politicians ,weasels looks and meek figures.When they met a woman they bow and almost lick their boots.No dignity in masculinity.

metalsympathizer · 2018-11-15T04:59:02+00:00

Its called the social contract

We give up a certain amount of freedom for security and comfort. And not the amount women give up for big daddy government to take care of them. We form societies and give up some sovereignty so we can live The alpha will rule no matter what In complete freedom: you can run around and do whatever you want. But so can the alpha. He can just as easily bash your skull in and fuck your woman on top of your corpse. But you were free Or Social contract:you live a mediocre life, making alphas money, while retaining some comfort of your own. While Alphas live in luxury fucking your woman behind your back.

The social hierarchy is the natural order of things

Title	We're really slaves to powerful men
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Date	November 14, 2018 6:00 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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Quit your fucking WHINGING... make the BEST of the hand you're dealt, the times that you live in.