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[–]sourkid25313 points314 points315 points 6 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link
True story I had a girl ghost me once I started to open up emotionally
[–]ColonelAngus1978191 points192 points193 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yep. Did me too. That’s how I got here.
[–]pull_a_sickie121 points122 points123 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Hashtag metoo.
I had started a new chapter of life - new job, in a new location interstate. No friends, far from my normal routine, feeling vulnerable, lonely and depressed.
I was there for her when she went overseas for the first time and the first week she would call me at the end of each day to talk about what she got upto that day.
[–]IntellegoTheTrue143 points44 points45 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]thalassophile705 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
EXACTLY!!
Same here too - exact same. Narcissism and entitlement seem to be rampant amongst the species.
[–]Speculum4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same.
[–]Ranger_Boi84 points85 points86 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's called a shit test brother. Welcome to red pill
[–]RAmusician28 points29 points30 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A red pill a day keeps the insanity away ✊
[–]Nevek_Green14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's called learning what narcissism is.
[–]InvincibleV47 points48 points49 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The exact same thing applies to fat shaming.
For some reason wahmen who are land whales should be percieved as beautiful but overweight men are getting laughed at. Ive seen some sluts in my gym making fun of a fat guy at the treadmill. Pathetic.
[–]yunglay-lay42 points43 points44 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Same bro
[–]Chinchillin0920 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Same x2
[–]0signal04 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Same
[–]marinejack512 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Metoo
[–]DacoLordo36 points37 points38 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's basically a 100% law that this will happen. I'm seeing a virgin girl very traditional from Asia and she wrote me a paragraph on how she doesn't want to be with a "light-mind" (idk wtf that means either it's Cambodian or mistranslated whatever ) aka someone who needs to be pampered when they are upset. I ignored her for a week and didn't text her which set this off, because she wanted me to text her. But I was mad and ignoring her for her to text me.. see they always make things about themselves
[–]sir_shitfuck2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm also talking with a Cambodian and this almost mirrors my experience. AWALT, but much more pleasant than Western women
[–]DacoLordo1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea it's kinda unsettling though she doesn't have any of the AWALT signs yet since she hasn't really been in the dating market so I think that's the only thing that makes me vulnerable. Just met her family yesterday and think I fucked it up enough to not have to worry about commitment concerns though lol
[–]RAmusician24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I once opened up to a girl during a conversation and she basically told me to fuck off by telling me “you need to get some help.”
[–]c001hax0r10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Brother, if you wanted support you should have leaned on the shoulder of a male friend. Girls cannot even be best friends of each other and bitch about each other, how can she provide you any kind of support.
[–]RAmusician12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This happened a long time ago and ever since I’ve been relying on the support of male friends, although I’ve veered off the course sometimes since that happened and looked to women for support. I learned my lesson and now I look to strong male figures where possible for support.
Most therapists I’ve come across in my life are female, and until recently I didn’t know how detrimental this was to a man. She would constantly take my abusive mother’s side even after knowing the whole picture of my situation. I stopped talking to her after a while and now I lean a lot on MGTOW men & strong male friends for support.
Thank you for reminding me, brother.
[–]GrievousGod10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
..unless she meant it in a rude way, that might be some sound advice tbh.
[–]c001hax0r10 points11 points12 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Girls do not empathize with guys, the pain of a man comes of as funny to a girl. Sad by true.
[–]RAmusician2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She said it in a kind voice, but it came off as her basically telling me to fuck off.
[–]the_them8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Every single time. Its not worth it.
[–]novhaku7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Let me guess, you trusted her because she was also the kind that openly told that men should do it?
[–]Natsume243 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I literally lost a female friend of three years the very minute I was dealing with depression.
Actually, make that three in one year. Was a hell of a red pill.
[–]retractileTesticles2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]BadDad012342 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bullet dodged my friend
[–]kabuurf4[S] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know how it feels. To them you are nothing more than toys.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep been there too, you keep up the wall and then when you finally show a human side they cool off. It's not a bad thing to learn about the hard way though, makes for a peaceful life once you witness first hand the depths of soulless hypergamy👌
[–]LotBuilder215 points216 points217 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
They don’t laugh, they just act concerned for a day or two then disappear.
[–]Ronald_Swanson_110 points111 points112 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
In my experience they laugh then disappear
[–]cashcapone9679 points80 points81 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then when you tell people women do that they like "wHaT KiNd oF GiRlS aRe yOu MeEtInG?"
[–]Darth_Toenail50 points51 points52 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
NaWaLt wH0 HuRt y0u?
[–]largepaycheckaddict8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Then tell their friends (or even your own) you’re not man enough.
[–]Nevek_Green5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Casually talk shit about them and watch how fast they pop back into your life to fix their damaged reputation.
[–]Chinchillin0952 points53 points54 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Holy shit you're spot on! This happened to me at least with 3. They just "forget" that you are in a bad place and stop responding, as if it was easy for us to open up and be treated as trash because of it.
[–]LotBuilder46 points47 points48 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Any shred of weakness is like repellent for women. They don’t want someone struggling, they want a rock. You can’t ignore them but they really don’t want you to blab on about feelings
Too fucking true.
[–]grizzer99132 points133 points134 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Exactly why I don't open up to women anymore. They use it as fuel against you. Nor do they take it seriously. Our mental wellbeing is just one big joke to them
[–]novhaku24 points25 points26 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah, it's also a pretty good weapon. They always weaponize it. They remember it but only when they can use it to destroy you.
[–]TheRabbitTunnel4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OPs picture is so inaccurate...
Spongebob should have a disgusted face.
[–]c001hax0r1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Amazingly, it is true for female psychologists as well.
[–]hanskywalk3r124 points125 points126 points 6 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
I remember watching a movie with my now ex. She fell asleep but I stayed up, engrossed in the story to finish the movie. There was a sequence I really connected with. I had a turbulent childhood and this part/character really affected me. Brought a lot of things to the surface. I'm crying, not bawling or anything but having some tears come down my face. I'm not ashamed. Soon after my ex wakes up and asks what's wrong. I told her this part really hit home and got me emotional. She laughed, not like the meme but enough to where I got pissed off. I should've known better but she tried apologizing.
I say all that to tell anyone similar to me, keep those things to yourself. Don't open up to your woman. She will only see you as weak and start looking elsewhere. Confide in good friends or family or therapists.
[–]skrt-skrt-18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ohh man Im sorry that happened to you bro!! What a dumbass bitch she is. I can also relate to you, She lost someone amazing.. I hope you achieve all your dreams in life best of luck
[–]hanskywalk3r16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She's not dumb, just empty inside with no empathy. Thanks for the kind words tho, I appreciate it
[–]Bosilaify12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Honestly though, one of the best bullshit tests. If you can open up and they stay. I know it’s muy unpopular opinion to give girls a chance yet but I’m naive. I used to be more red pulled honestly but I’ve met a few girls who have shown none of these typical girl traits and it makes me really hopeful. Good luck my brethren
[–]BonelessSkinless14 points15 points16 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The traits are dormant but they are there. Always keep your guard in the back of your head
[–]Bosilaify0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I am, that’s what I keep thinking but I’m also feeling what I imagined love would be. I’m a very logical person tho and realist So I think I’ll be alright. I hope she’s the one and if she’s not I might just let her break my heart. What’s life besides ups and downs
[–]BonelessSkinless2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Heartbreak is awful. Probably top 3 worst feelings in life besides actual physical pain or losing someone in death. I don't recommend it. Because those downs are really down if you can pull yourself out of the depression though you can potentially find unrivaled strength from your own pain and hatred. It's really painful to lose a girl you love trust
[–]Bosilaify1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but I think it’s worth it rather than never feeling the love or trust. Rather rise and fall than to never rise at all.
[–]BonelessSkinless1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Nah. I've been there, and I think that saying is bs. The highs of love aren't worth the lows. It does feel good in the moment but it rarely lasts. And there are too many factors that are built into society today to make relationships fail. Also when they fail, no one will be there to make you feel better or pick you up, it will feel like your heart has been cut open and you will have trouble eating and sleeping. It's fucked
[–]Bosilaify0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True by mind over matter idk. I’m not one to forget but I’m one to move on. Life sucks anyways, anything that can bring me joy is worth it. Even fleeting.
[+]Legs2big-6 points-5 points-4 points 6 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
"Your" woman... lel for actually thinking it's yours 👋😂👌
[–]hanskywalk3r4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
"You're" real cool buddy. I think we all know what I meant but go head
[–]Legs2big-3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Try and make sense next time ☝️😂👌
[–]hanskywalk3r4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
👍
[–]MrToastedPyjamas-2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You should to. Calling women "it" is pretty degrading.
[–]Legs2big0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
NPC#1939370 has entered the chat lmao ☝️😂👌
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Try not using emoji next time
[–]Legs2big0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Transgender suffering from mood swings? Geez, get a grip and stop abusing estrogen. 👋🙄
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Nope, you just look like an idiot with em. That's all
[–]Legs2big0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Females have nothing to do here, step aside lmao 👌😂👌 No one's coming to comment on your Buzzfeed posts. Damn, always spoiling it for men 🙄
Well, I tried. Carry on
[–]rexhalo-88 points89 points90 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Had an ex that told me to open up to her, soon after she dumped me saying it was too much emotionally
[–]lil_esidisi47 points48 points49 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Same here brother. It was all like: "Yeah, if something is teoubling you, tell me." And after three months it was just too much for her. Also she couldn't understand my depression. She jist said the usual shit like it's in your head and you will be fine.
[–]Mylaur6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"mental illness" : it's all in your head you'll be fine
"physical illness" : it's all in your body you'll be fine
[–]kluger192 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well they either dump you or use it to abuse you emotionally, so consider yourself lucky lol
[–]HierEncore1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you just reminded me of this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMQ2qGmJOVM
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are emotional and like to talk about their feelings. The second a man does that he's placing himself into a woman's role, and of course they'll be repulsed.
It's nothing more than a shit-test, everything they do is a shit-test, it's pretty much biological.
[–]krusecontrol9172 points73 points74 points 6 years ago* (40 children) | Copy Link
Meanwhile she’s taking a combination of Xanax, clonidine, Prozac, lamictal, gabapentin paid for by taxpayers thru Medicare, and has her “medical marijuana” “license” she got with a coupon, smokes a pack a day, drinks every night, and does coke on the weekends.
Don’t boo me I’m right. 70% of all psychotropic antidepressant pills are consumed by the other sex. (1 of 2, the other 400 are now classified as a mental disorder)
Also I can’t think of a single chick I have met (and dropped right away) that pays for her own blow. So there’s no way of figuring out that total consumption statistic without polling drug dealers. Shit ruins lives and makes people completely psychotic. As you have seen in the media. Look closer. Kamala Harris scares the ever living piss out of me
Edit: I don’t do this for upvotes if there was one last fuck to give I’d keep it. I’m sure this’ll get rerouted to some incel sub and buried after that. Keep me in mind before I’m the next (but right wing) Seth rich (Rip). Not to downplay his tragedy, only a correlation
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[–]krusecontrol9116 points17 points18 points 6 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
The clonidine brings down the blood pressure from the 8 ball she snorted last weekend. Just saying.
Dude kidney stones are no fucking joke. Ever hear the phrase “she can suck a golf ball thru a garden hose” yeah same thing except it’s your dick pushing a golfball out. I commend you for going thru that hellish experience. I’m sure I’ll be due for it soon too.
Edit:bring on the downvotes. Truth hurts. Sorry not sorry to upset your entitlement of a “safe space”
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[–]krusecontrol915 points6 points7 points 6 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Right, my sympathy and respect to you man. You’re been thru shit more painful than getting shot. And for the record I’ve been thru that and can’t imagine a KS
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[–]krusecontrol915 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also if she dumped you cause of a kidney stone, the kidney stone was a much bigger problem than her. I’d love it if my trash took itself out once in my life
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly. It’s kind of hard to collect child support from passing a kidney stone.
[–]krusecontrol912 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Just morphine? Surprised they didn’t give you the deathbed drug Dilauded. Shit They gave me a nice dose of fentanyl for a basic endoscopy a few months ago and as an anesthesiologist induced med, it worked like a charm. Again sorry you had to go through that, I get your point
[–]TheLastMgtow8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
I was once fwb with this clinically bipolar girl. I left her every time she started acting crazy.
She would switch for no reason, her facial expressions would change, her personality would change. She switch from a a sweet, shy, calm girl, to a fucking crazy psycho. One time she wanted to beat me, and i had to give her a light beating. It worked.
So i told her, if she does that one more time im a leaving her definitely. So since that day, everytime we met she came drowned in medication. Needless to say, i would be better off with a sex doll.
[–]MrToastedPyjamas0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
That's hectic shit. The girl needs some serious attention. What if (God forbid) actually murders someone while on a fit of rage? Lord... Have mercy. You dodged a bullet. My personal opinion is that bipolar people shouldn't date for this reason. They fuck up way to much and "get away with it" to a degree by passing it off to their "disorder". Not all but that is just the experience I've encountered. I think this girl on the other hand may have had a legit fucked up case which in my mind would still not be a good idea as described above.
Anyway, we're all wanting to be loved, I've just learned the hard way that a man's wanting love is different to that of a woman wanting love...
[–]TheLastMgtow3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Man They are all to a certain extent mentally ill. There is no "attention" that can fix these women. Actually the more "attention" some of them get the worst they become.
My personal opinion is that bipolar people shouldn't date for this reason.
Bipolar people are not retarded. They often know they are bipolar and do their best to hide it and to manipulate you/gaslight you, so you think you are the one who is going crazy.
I think this girl on the other hand may have had a legit fucked up case which in my mind would still not be a good idea as described above.
Thats the whiteknight instinct that you have. I tell you, most of them is a question of time until they show their bipolarity. They are all to a certain degree mentally ill. The protective cuck instinct men have to help these women is what makes things even worse, and why you have men killing each other, and why you have these mentally ill women manipulating naive men. Its harsh world outside.
You notice that she is bipolar, you keep your cards to your chest, dont tell her, soft ghost her.
Bluepill nonsense. Its a lie that we all need to be loved. Men dont need it. We survived with nothing. Love is not a need.
[–]krusecontrol911 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well analyzed and well said. You speak 100% truth. Love is a societally groomed indoctrination program that does more harm than help these days. Nice to see so many guys that are the real woke, not the definition of woke they push on cable TV.
Respect
[–]MrToastedPyjamas-2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
Never said they are retarded. Your just pointing out the obvious. Nevertheless, you can try lie to yourself about love but it is a need. I just look for it amongst friends.
I don't care about how you have misconstrued my statement and honestly it was a pretty lame analysis.
To be frank, I don't see how you are superior to me in anyway behind a keyboard displaying low EQ. Like many commentators name calling me a cuck. Lol. Who the fuck cares what you say? I don't. I'm a man who needs no approval from any one yet here you are wanting to debase what I'm saying just because it goes against what you FEEL. Fuck me mate. Your retarded alright for not seeing how hypocritical you are being ie twisting a statement and calling it bluepill nonsense. Clearly you have no heart to see that (cos as we both know she wasn't retarded) she overdrugged herself to see the guy. It's pretty heartless the implication you make.
And nah this isn't a dig. Just showing you that assuming is pretty stupid. Just cos I try not to hate women and use that in my speech does not make my blue pilled. Try asking questions next time before you spew illogical assumptive bullshit out your mouth. There's only so much listerine... Lol And to say men have worked without emotion. Fuck off with that lie. You never had a son who you loved. Or a son who loves you.
Ps I'm actually on your side, I've been through what you have. Got through court with a smile on my face thank God. Let's not let them make us bitter eh? Excuse the sarcasm. Don't mistake kindness with weakness
[–]TheLastMgtow2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Nevertheless, you can try lie to yourself about love but it is a need. I just look for it amongst friends.
Man. Im speaking for myself and many others. You speak for yourself ok? I said men dont need love. Boys need love. Children need love. Men are over it. And maybe you will see that in the future.
A complete man with a purpose does not need love. Its what men feel in selfactualization. You feel you are complete. You feel you only want to achieve and you have a thing called selfesteem, that comes from selfrealization. Thats ok if you need love. But listen. You will not need it forever, perhaps, or perhaps you will. But understand you will grow up, and things will get better.
Being alone is not the same as loneliness. Being alone is great. 99% of men need more time alone. But the problem is that they were made to hate themselves, so they need love and they feel lonely. Loneliness is a scam, its not real. Primal men did not feel loneliness. Boys that grow up around wolves and lions, do not feel lonely. Therefore you dont need love, or at least not the romantic woman love you think you need. Feeling alone is a societal feeling. You cant feel it if you dont know what it is.
Men evolved to be alone, and to thrive best alone. If you never been in an LTR then maybe thats why you IDEALIZE and believe being alone sucks and that you need love. Its impossible to be mgtow, while you dont surpass that. IT is still TFL, because you are mgtow, but you dont feel ok. But you will feel ok one day. Its just too much indoctrination, too many movies. And too much romantic era bullshit. None of that existed before.
History is filled with men, that did not want any love, but only wanted achievement, and they compose half of those you read in history books. The others that wanted to be love nobody remembers their names.
You evolved to be hunter. And a hunter you still are. Therefore you thrive if you have the pack, as you well mentioned in a certain way. But it is not a need. You are not supposed to feel vunerable or stagnate if you dont have any love. Its society that wants you to feel incomplete, so they can sell you stuff.
Companionship with a woman is artificial and not what primal men seek, but sedentary and domesticated men seek. Primal men, seek to achieve, and hence why they conquer and topple the sedentary men. Primal men dont need companionship, but they have it, from the pack. Its different to need something and being weak without it. And not needing it, but also being able to have it if it is there.
And nah this isn't a dig. Just showing you that assuming is pretty stupid. Just cos I try not to hate women and use that in my speech does not make my blue pilled.
I see where you are coming from. Try to understand my perspective too. I dont need love, and believe it or not, in another state, you dont need it too, and you thrive without it. You are stronger and faster without it. I was in your situation before.
If you are defending women here in mgtow, dont be surprised you are called bluepill, because women dont need to be defended, especially when they act as bipolar psychos and just screwed the lives of men before, and were just trying to screw mine. Thats the epitome of a whiteknight, here on mgtow. A whiteknight in denial, which are the worst ones. The ones that attack you believing vehemently that what they are doing is right. And you call yourself a mgtow.
Needing love, and justifying it, is something that started in the romantic era, and is one of the strongest pilars of the bluepill idiocy. So please, even if you believe and feel it, try to fix yourself and rise above it, and dont spread your mental illness and drug addiction on others here.
You give 0 arguments to support your claims. Only anger, and saying that you want love and you can also whiteknight for women, and still consider yourself a mgtow, and insulting others and saying that whatever they say is bullshit out of their mouthes without any evidence for your claims.
Everything i said here was said uncountable times and in many different ways by most other mgtow philosophers before. Its is the basis of mgtow. If you cant deal with it. Go get a girlfriend. Too bad you wont find any with the weak mentality of "needing love", anyways.
This is tough love for you brother, because you are here in mgtow, i have hope for you.
[–]TheLastMgtow-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
low EQ
Low EQ? You meant Low IQ? or you now also believe in Emotional Inteligence? You got to leave that soy man.
[–]krusecontrol91-2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Dude stop. If you didn’t care you wouldn’t pour your heart out into this reply to try to make yourself feel better about someone commenting on the internet. Grow up and search amazon or the dark web for a pair of testicles. Your bs is almost r/iamverybadass worthy, but you’re not even worth a repost. Sit this one out champ
[–]MrToastedPyjamas0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lol. According to... the simp? I didn't ask for your opinion. You sad twat. Quite cute you think I'm opening my heart... Fuck... How much of a woman are you?
You like roses or violets?
[–]krusecontrol91-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I thought we left name calling back in fourth grade. If you're stuck there let us know there might be help somewhere. If you’re trying to phase me good luck, I stopped caring years ago. Game on
Wasn't name calling. Just stating a fact, from the action's you've shown and started with disdain I might add attempting to degrade me in the process... Last I checked bullies were in kindergarten. How did you pass high school? Assuming isn't a good sign of intelligence which you've exhibited very well.
[–]krusecontrol910 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're sure invested into this arentcha. Keep it coming this is pretty entertaining
With someone like that I would make the phone call to initiate the civil commitment process in a ward until they can figure out how to make her well again.
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[–]TheLastMgtow0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link
Whiteknight cuck. They are all mentally ill. And I definitely stopped man. I escaped on time.
[–]MrToastedPyjamas0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lol! Well... Damn... Here I am hopong for your approval! Oh the humanity! Hahaha wow... Dude, that was just sad...
Don't fight fellow brothers man. Not cool.
[–]TheLastMgtow1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ahah. "Not cool bro not cool". They are not fellow brothers. They are not even men. They are whiteknight cucks, and you should not be afraid to call them by their name. They are not afraid to whiteknight like the spineless cucks they are, and turn other men under the bus. By now, and after the events in the last decades, all whiteknighting should have been already erradicated, and really shamed. These whiteknights i dont even know how in the world they walk around as if this is normal.
They are the biggest reason this system is destroying men, and think its funny. I have no empathy for them, nor the bluepill, only disgust. If they wake up, and join our ranks, then of course there is only compassion.
[–]oodleskjj-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
No. Never stick your dick in certifiably crazy. You were willingly damaging yourself while whoring around with a mental patient. Don’t sound proud of this.
[–]TheLastMgtow2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Lmao. Obviously they dont advertise they are mental patients. They hide it. At first you were saying i was terrible for hurting a mentally ill girl, now you are worried about me?
Listen man. These women on medication dont take them for weak victims, they are aware they are bipolar, they will manipulate you and gaslight you to make you think you are the crazy one. Some of them are bipolar because they were reckless bitches that fucked their own lives and the lives of others around them. Im no volunteer doctor, so i was out of there. But did she stalk me forever.
Preach
Man. You got lucky to just get out without going through court if you know what I mean
I actually think i was lucky with half of the women i was for not getting in trouble. And i say this, because all of them are left crazy, unstable and wanting revenge for the simple fact you are dumping them, and not them dumping you. Which is not normal. They are used to dumping all the simps. Because their emotions have total power over them, even the most innocent girl can turn very machiavellian. And this is why some redpillers advise that the best strategy to break up is to deceive her to think it was her idea.
[–]oodleskjj-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Okay, keep digging your whore hole.
I do whatever the fuck i want. What are you going to do about it.
[–]krusecontrol91-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Piss off and do some research on your own. When you come to a sensible conclusion based off of facts and what reality is maybe we can have a nanogram of respect for you.
[–]oodleskjj-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Lmfao, what research could you give me to convince me to fuck bipolar women? Please, I would love to read some.
[–]krusecontrol910 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Gold medal for mental gymnastics. Work those synapses harder and maybe you'll be ok. I'll respond to this again when I finish shaking my head in disappointment
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[–]krusecontrol910 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I was just a character witness in court for my business partner whose wife took 500k liquid, giant house, two cars total 90k, the kid, the guns, and now gets 5k per week alimony and child support combined. Zero tangible evidence.
Keep trying to patronize, asshole. You have no idea
3rd friend I've had to help through this shit
Your bullshit is like the city dump trash. You keep spewing it everywhere and nobody gives a flying fuck about any of it except you, the one that has to deal with it.
[–]Badrinminton60 points61 points62 points 6 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Girls are incapable of all forms of empathy, except for when you are her off spring. This is actually evolutionair.
[–]novhaku20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Even that last part is really open to debate nowadays.
[–]Badrinminton12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The reason why is because at times of war or during an accident at work/ hunting, her male husband would likely have died. So she needed to be able to switch easily to another male
[–]novhaku8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Reality isn't that simple, biology is a good excuse but most people just oversimplify it without any real understanding of what's going on.
And as I just said that implies that women care about their children in the first place, which can be demonstrated as false very often nowadays. And which, I would say, is also something very natural since it's common for female animals to let their children die (or even to eat them) if they're starved and their own survival is at risk, etc. Natural, but it still doesn't fit with the "women only love their children" part.
Trying to use nature as an excuse without taking into account the changes that also affected our spiecies is stupid.
[–]Badrinminton4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
First things first: Women who starve would not want to have kids in the firstplace. Their libido is also severely decreased during times of hunger. Same goes for males, sex becomes less important during starvation. Any normal thinking living organism would choose his or her own live over the lives of others. It's called self-presevation. But what you are suggesting is an entirely different topic. we are not talking about hunger or starvation. We live in developed nations, where people have plenty of food. In OUR situation, women don't have to worry about starving.
But there is one exemption to the rule of self-preservation: Women are prepaired to die in order to protect their offspring. Maybe not American women, but in the rest of the world they do. If there is war or a famine, they wouldn't even have children in the first place. Also your comment on women eating their children for survival, is something thar prettymuch NEVER happens. Go look into starving people in yemen and much of sub-Saharan Africa. They would much rather starve themselves and their kids, then to eat their kids.
For a woman, a husband is only there to provide emotional en physical protection for her and her offspring. Money and therefore food, are less of a problem nowadays. But the basics have never changed. A woman will face extreme difficulties raising a kid on her own. The majority of criminals in prison where raised without a father. The majority of people diagnosed with mental dissabilities/ issues are those raised without a father.
Here is a link to a scientific study done:
https://www.mnpsych.org/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_dailyplanetblog%26view%3Dentry%26category%3Dindustry%2520news%26id%3D54
Quoted findings from the study; "Findings suggest that a negative developmental trajectory may result for children lacking a father in the home, albeit further research in this area is warranted."
Women know this. Women need to be able to replace a husband as fast as possible, in order to provide the best possible chance for their offspring. That also means ditching a guy and trading him in for a better provider
You would have never existed, had it not been for nature
[–]novhaku0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm talking about animals since you're talking about "it's how it is evolutionarily", you idiot, I even explicitly said so, and about sarvation AFTER the kid is born. It's also common for a female to let another alpha kill the kids of a female if she already has some and they're a problem ( = nearly always). Food is only one possibility that could cause the female to turn against her children among many, many others; the point is that kids are far from THE one thing that matter to a female in nature, bar exceptions.
Point is, your appeal to nature ("Girls are incapable of all forms of empathy, except for when you are her off spring. This is actually evolutionair.) doesn't work if the very idea you're defending isn't true in nature. (Not to mention you misusing the idea of empathy but that's too common to note). Female do not lack empathy "except for their children"; self-preservation comes before anything evolutionarily, INCLUDING children, and even when it's not about self-preservation (said example about meeting another male) the child isn't the ONE THING with a particular statut that makes it so that it's more important than herself to the mother. That's something quite typical to us humans.
No. The reason we protect children more than ourselves to such an extend is cultural, not natural, or rather is also natural but not in the "instinctual" meaning since it's logical and a result of us "evolving", which, by the way makes a lot more sense evolutionarily-wise since a female, let's say, tiger, can always have another child if her mate kills the former one but if she dies, the current one will dies afterward too if he's not old enough yet. That's how it works in nature and "evolutionarily". Once the kid is old enough for fend for himself it's another story, but at this point it's not with its mother anymore and is just "another animal". The mother putting the child's safety before everything in nature and its special place is a big fat myth. In the wild it's you>EVERYTHING else, period. Again, it's common for a mother seeking a new alpha to let said alpha kill her children. That is how nature works. No place for emotions or empathy here, these are but rare cases that people will always take about more because "it's so beautiful".
The rest is off-topic and something I agree with in the first place anyway. It's the appeal to nature to justify "maternl instincts" that is misplaced and a cliche. "Maternal instinct" in nature is very different from what people usually talk about and definitely doesn't translate in the way people think it does in our society.
Retarded answer. What's the point? We are doing things that aren't "normal" by "natural standards". Dying to protect a 1 year old kid that wouldn't survive alone is one of them, because, as a member of a society, it has a chance to survive even without us. And the "YOU WOULD NO EXIST" whatever just makes you sound like an idiot.
[–]largepaycheckaddict3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Your mother will express empathy toward you if you’re lucky. Lots of guys here, myself included had very cold hearted mothers. Same goes for fathers tbh.
[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
bitches manipulates a man to unlock his secrets and whores love to bully using innuendo.Females are all whores,heartless stupid bitches.i hope scientist discovers real sex doll, and wipe all these creatures.never share anything with bitches.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Same, I Agree. Mate!
[–]RadRandy21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Aaaaand then they break up with ya lol fucking snakes in the grass, my friends....snakes in the grass. 🐍🐍🐍
[–]Throwthe882722 points23 points24 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, this hits me hard.
[–]DeMeza20 points21 points22 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
They’re not really interested in you or your feelings. The reason why women ask for guys to “open up” is so they can go hunting and find stuff to use against him now or in the future. If you told a woman something emotional she will use it against you in 1 month, 6 months or 3 years. Or she might think that you’re a pussy and dump you straight away.
[–]DeadliftRx16 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I have been in a very dark place, lately, to the point where I have withdrawn from most of my relationships. Today I told my mother and father that they will either begin to support my decisions or this was our last conversation and not to call when one of them dies as I no longer care. My family will no longer get to condemn my successes because they don't have their own.
I am tired of everyone and I would rather be respected evil than disrespected good. I don't know how far I will go, anymore, but I'm becoming increasingly more confrontational and violent over the past six months and no one seems to realize that all this really is an outcry for help - even though I've flat out begged for it. Do you know that being strong and muscular gets you laughed at for questioning your own mental health? These aren't just signs, these are warnings.
[–]MissAcidDrops7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't let their lack of support stop you from getting therapy if you feel like you need it.
[–]Happyasyougo766 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are many ways to overcome the darkness you describe, and one of the most effective ways is to learn who you are, what you are, and what purpose you want to create for yourself.
Who you are: How much of your personality is based on copied expressions learned from others, and how much is your own expression that you came up? Copied expressions are not you, only the parts that came from you through the “extractions of meaning from within”.
What you are: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GUfk2QnUfQc
The video is a little long and requires patience, but there isn’t a video like it on YouTube that explains what you are better than he does. Be patient with that video brother, don’t skip forward and don’t get distracted.
The purpose you want to create will be clear to you AFTER you have watched that video and understood it. That video will arm you with so much knowledge that the chances of you getting depressed is very very low, and the chances of you being happier is very high.
Stay strong, MGTOW is only part of the cure, the rest you will find in that video.
All the best brother!!!
[–]roughback3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It will get better brother. Once you cut out the toxic relationships you can start to heal, I've been there. Years toiling against toxic family members and fake friends only to end up screaming into the night at the end of the day. Now I cut the toxic out with extreme apathy and encourage those few people who are actually supportive and healthy in my life.
[–]DeadliftRx1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I normally am pretty stable but at the end of my last relationship my mother asked the question, "What's in this for you?" And it has turned my life upside down. It's now backfired on her.
Now I ask myself this question of everyone in my life and most fail to provide any benefit. Don't try it. Most people are simply cannon fodder and amount to nothing greater.
[–]SnowMan87816 points17 points18 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Never trust a word , AWALT
[–]devok1[🍰] 17 points18 points19 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law .
[–]CognPsycNeurScie2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
na, you were faster. but: this nails it.
[–]Jizzy1113 points14 points15 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A true and sad testament to the hoes out there
[–]HierEncore11 points12 points13 points 6 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
My ex used to respond with "well then just kill yourself and stop whining" And this was after several years of being together.
She was completely disgusted with me. The look on her face... her body language.. as if I was a hopeless alocoholic or compulsive gambler.. I wasn't any of those.. but that's the reaction she gave me... Ironically she spent hours talking about other friends of hers that went through drama and depression as if they were hero-like legendary men who fought great dragons or some shit. She was a total character-worshiper looking back and probably had a crush on them... but when it came to me? When depression and loss actually hit me? ... tough love... she'd call it. Her father was the same. I overheard him saying to her on the phone "told you not to date weak men"
She ended up breaking up with me because I got on antidepressants which she thought were "sad/pathetic" and they also killed my libido.
[–]skrt-skrt-6 points7 points8 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Bro you can do it and make yourself better, quit drinking and focus on yourself, career and hobbies make them your goal, you can do it!! Women are nothing these days. Keep your head down, work hard and achieve your goals! You can do it!
[–]-Yorgh-1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
bitches aint shit you can do better man
[–]HitTheWall884 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Learned this the hard way. Expressed some concerns and feeling to girls twice in my life on a deep level. Total shit show both times. Much better to be stoic and keep to yourself.
[–]houcem294 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly they're a bunch of narcissists . Don't hate them but treat them accordingly , and remember love doesn't and can't exist between you both . You love unconditionally but the do conditionally
[–]MrToastedPyjamas5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are vile with emotions, in fact I'm beginning to think that men are truly the beginning of the human race quoting the Bible that women came from a man's rib. Therefore we are as men capable of overcoming anything a women throws at us. We need to remember, WE WANTED THEM, WHILE THEY NEED US. Think about it. We're better than them with emotions, why else would they freak out over such small sleights and pursue shallow endeavours? It's not because they're overly emotional. They just suck at managing information etc. The few women who I've seen capable of managing things weren't overly emotional. Stop lying to yourself with and about your own emotions. They will either set you free or enslave you (through the vile manipulations of women). God bless you all. Ps look up
Proverbs 21:9. It's better to live in the corner of an attic than with a quarrelsome wife in a lovely home.
Also. Fact: Behind every successful man, there's a woman. Universal Truth: No women will follow an unsuccessful man.
[–]Fobilas3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I suspect we actually fear loss of control, uncertainty, when someone doesn't explain their feelings. We're self-absorbed, amirite? Very few of us seem to be able to share someone else's emotional burden for more than a 5-minute conversation, even if we love them. We have to pay a pro for anything more. This being said, I should work on my listening skills more, lol.
[–]AdrianoWerneck2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Toxic femininity.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From my own experience, telling a woman your negative/depressed feelings gets you blocked and ghosted.
[–]largepaycheckaddict5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women: how was your day? What’s wrong
Guy: (honestly shares how they had a bad day)
Women: “OMG stop whining you know some people have it worse than you right?! I had a bad day too!! (Spends the rest of the time talking about herself and isn’t interested in your problems).
Or you get bummed about something they did and honestly explain why you are disappointed, then get the script flipped on you with a bunch of whataboutisms.. female gaslighting 101.
[–]candid_canid2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is why I no longer get involved with women, even attempts at friendship.
I say attempts because so far every time I've tried they've pulled some bullshit I wouldn't tolerate from any of my guy friends and I tell them to fuck off.
So yeah, I reached the point where I won't even give them the chance. Can only repeat the same mistake so many times before a man with a brain realizes the common variable is the second x chromosome.
[–]myconfessionacc3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was speaking with my cousins wife about life experiences and such. The conversation got pretty deep and she mentioned she was molested when she was young.
It was an awful story, needless to say.
I mentioned how I too was molested when I was a child. She wanted details, nothing too detailed but general information.
When I mentioned what happened, she bursted out laughing.
She was mortified by her own outburst. It didn't bother me because I know how women are. What I found very interesting was, she was not mortified by laughing at someone's childhood trauma, she was mortified by revealing the person she actually is.
That is women in a nutshell.
[–]Happyasyougo762 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Jacque Fresco used to say that children only grow up to be what they learn from their environment. We don’t live like apes anymore, meaning, I don’t think that we still base most of our actions on instincts. I really think that girls are being conditioned to be that way. And it’s a condition that is multidimensional, meaning, they are programmed from multiple sources.
Music, TV-Shows and movies program arrogance and narcissism and the desperate need for social inclusion.
Porn culture (which can also be seen in music, movies, tv-shows, cartoons, etc etc.) program self objectification, a false sense of self-worth and the worship of the body. Porn is also very addicting and is the very reason for beastiality, incest, and etc.
Friends reinforce the 2 previous programs because they receive the same programming, and social inclusion keeps them trapped with such horrible friends. They begin to compete with one another (hate on one another while pretending to care for one another) because that’s what every other girl is doing. E.g., it’s very difficult for a girl with decent-sized boobs NOT to show cleavage when she isn’t paid attention to by covering them up and guys only paying attention to those who expose their boobs. So the game for girls is horrible to begin with because guys more often than not focus on the sexualized girls.
Tight clothes rub against the front and the back that increases the chance of having sexual thoughts—activating the “porn program” mentioned above.
And the government support women more than men because of money—plenty of money to be made from divorce.
So I don’t think that women are “born” that way, more like programmed that way. Which still means that MGTOW is the solution, but it isn’t the end goal. The end goal should be to have non-cancerous women with whom you can feel comfortable being together with, which is done by educating boys and men about their cancerous program so that men begin to change the very program that is causing all the cancer to begin with. But of course women have to be willing to change, I would never expect men to clean up their mess, only to spread the word.
[–]betternamethanur10 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Who invented all those things? Who decided to use them in that way? You blame tv, tight clothes, being raised a certain way, the government, but you fail to see what is behind jt all. You are literally blaming anything u can when the problem is human nature. Humans have been shitty since forever. History proves it. Life is survival of the fittest. All about reproduction. We are just complicated organisms honestly. It’s all pretty stupid and depressing imo.
[–]Happyasyougo760 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But that’s exactly where you are wrong. If history taught us anything it is that there is no such thing as “human nature” or “animal nature” or whatever “nature”. Everything is always adapting and evolving whether we can perceive it or not. And that is exactly why the overwhelming majority of humans prefer moral behavior over immoral behavior (we don’t rip out the hearts of innocent ppl to please some god anymore, for example).
We are just stuck in a primitive system with egocentric ppl who hold primitive ideas, that’s what we are fighting right now, and that’s who is propagating all the bad programming that I described above.
Throwing all of humanity into the same boat of a minority of ppl who are actually causing all the harm and simply calling it “human nature” is what is making it so difficult to create some positive change.
But say you are right, say it is “human nature” that is responsible... well, who is stopping YOU from overcoming such a bad nature? Absolutely NO-ONE has a gun to your head forcing you to accept it.
If we had your mentality as primitive apes and said to each other “nothing you can do about it, fellow-ape, it’s just ‘ape nature’” then we would still be jumping from tree to tree. But somehow we overcame that stage and ended up where we are... and if we overcame that, then we can overcome “human nature” as well.
[–]betternamethanur10 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There are too many things i disagree with in ur argument for me to respond to, so i’ll just agree to disagree
[–]gustavostori2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
tip : can be used in your favor to dump woman.
[–]AngryDeer2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you're struggling, it's so important to reach out to another male. Friends, good male therapists, hotlines, heck, talk to me.
[–]thalassophile700 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
DUDE!! Here lies the issue - we lose OVER SEVENTY brothers a day!! WE HAVE to band together to save these lives
STRUGGLING?? Talk to me if you need to, too! You are WAY too important to this world now and you matter deeply
[–]HarryDyckenhaand2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Luckily, I have only had to learn this lesson once.
There are things Men just wont say to one another. A woman? lol a "woman" will say ANYTHING in order to get her way.
I tell them nothing of importance now.
always say less than necessary
[–]Libido_Burrito642 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I opened up to my now ex about my depression early on. I felt that it was important because it's a part of me. She dragged the relationship along instead of leaving early enough to where it wouldn't hurt. Tried to use sex to build a relationship instead of being emotionally vested. Makes me feel like an idiot for falling for that shit. She made no effort to understand the inner workings of my head when I did that for her. That relationship has ruined future relationships for me and I find myself less interested in them each day.
[–]Anonymous-Samurai1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The responses will be reversed in about 10 to 20 years when she's "unmarryable"
[–]CognPsycNeurScie1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Anything you say can and will be used against you.
[–]_vedantt1_1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's the era of #mentoo now. We Men have suffered enough. Men who were guilty got it right there, but the men who were framed purposely.... Let's see how well these women hold this up 💪
[–]davay20201 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude everyone gets this.
[–]harrison_wheels1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Either that, or they use it against you all the time to invalidate any opinion you might have.
This is how my ex fiance was. Terribly cold, unsupportive and judgemental about my emotions. Pushed me further and further into alcohol and drugs to cope with it all.
Long story short, I found someone else who actually validates my feelings and allows me to be myself in every sense of the phrase. I cried in front of her a few weeks ago after talking about some childhood trauma, and she held me, just kept telling me how strong I was for talking it out.
People like her are few and far between.
[–]ovaknight1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because displaying emotions is a FEMALE trait and they know it. It's a trap to weed out the betas.
[–]Safe_Dentist1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Only people bonded by blood with me are allowed to see full specter of my true emotions, total strangers get nothing, others are somewhat in between. Why woman assume my dick in her cunt promotes her to close relative or above status?
Girls don't feel emotions. Boys just kind of seethe in rage and aspire to become the next Elliot Rodgers. Many such cases!
[–]InfernalDNA1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Girls: "No I meant like, tell me how much you love me, care about me, etc."
[–]NormalPerson1911 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m sorry to all the men thus has happened too.i can promise I know women who wouldn’t do this . Including me. Hope y’all ok.
[–]Jiggly_Love1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Truth that women don't know what they want when it comes to men. "Aww we want a man who's sensitive and open with their feelings..." translates to "He can only empathize with my feelings, I don't care about his. Fuck yo feelings"
[–]xboxfanboy561 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No fucking wonder why male suicide rates are so high.
[–]Solivigent0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Can I say something though? And I’m not fighting, I’m gmow. It’s just there are some things I find myself trying to make sense of. I’ve seen mgtow posts and videos where women are berated for having emotions. There’s stuff about them being weaker because they show emotion. There’s also stuff about how their depression doesn’t count, or it’s stupid. I just want to know if other mgtows see the contradiction with this post here? Are we for emotion or not? Or is this a, ‘I can but you can’t’, sort of thing? I personally think humans in general should have a blend of emotion and logic- aren’t science, art and empathy the ‘holy trinity’ of humankind lol?
[–]novhaku4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
No contradiction here. It's about what cause the problems most of the time, the fact that women don't even try to solve them themselves, the intensity of the whole thing and how you try to base the whole world around it, among other things.
They are weaker because they make all of their decisions based on FEELZ. Decision-making != just feeling things but not ruining the life of 15 people because you're in a bad mood. These two things are extremely differents. Men also feel emotions, but we don't try to shape the whole world around them, even when we show them. Which is a common thing with women, that is extremely easy to observe during periods. Feelz > self-control.
All in all, it's a matter of there being a middle ground. Except that men aren't allowed to have this middle ground; a good nulber of men here have been dumped for crying when their parents fucking died. Some others just because they were in a bad state because they weren't even treated as human beings. Meanwhile, a woman will cry and feel oppressed if you ask her for the time, or will fall into depression because she can't have chad's cock anymore. See the difference? No matter how strongly she "feels" it, it doesn't change that this happen for pretty much anything (hence the "emotional gender" lulz. As if it was a good thing). Emotions being there doesn't mean that the"se emotions are valid or that you have no responsibilities. These threads are about men going through things like fucking death or ending up in the hospital and then having their "weaknesses" in these situations used against them.
No, humans shouldn't have "both emotions and logic". That's retarded and will cause terrible decision-making that will destroy and ruin the life of others, including the ones you care about and yourself, not what anyone that actually care would like. In fact it doesn't even make sense since emotions are just an expression, not an end or a method. The thing you should do, though, is accepting your own, very existing emotions and trying to understand where they come from overall and why they are the way they are; nobody is born as an already painted canvas. This way if it's legitimate, they're legitimate, and if it's complete bullshit that is caused by selfishness and entitlement, then it needs to GTFO.
Also, empathy doesn't exist in the way you mean it. There's a reason we're trying to find things to replace it with ideas like ethnocultural empathy (which is an idea that actually makes sense and isn't guesswork/just fucking magic). The way it is usually used is more than a stretch, but a stretch usually used because it makes us feel that we're "better" than animals. Even if it can be disproved pretty easily.
[–]Solivigent0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Man, I have a feeling you’re gonna talk to me about exceptions, but I know women who were depressed for legitimate reasons and fixed it all on their own. No therapy, no use of emotional tampons. Who knows? Others might know similar women too. And I know men who made impulsive decisions, only to have their female family members say, “See?”, or “This is what happens when you don’t think things through.” I obviously have examples of the opposite too- so men being more self sufficient and rational, and women being crazy. But that’s what I’m getting at. I find it difficult to see things as black and white because I’ve never experienced it that way. I really don’t think stuff’s black and white in general either, but there’re effects that make it seem as such. Such as echo chambers that emphasise the bad in life. Things suddenly seems exponentially horrible, or worse than they actually are. I’m gmow, but with a sort of different mindset.
As far as emotions and logic are concerned when making decisions, emotions actually help in rational decision making- this is backed up by science. Now you can’t be logical if you’re ‘overtly’ emotional- say you give into temptation and eat 5000 calories despite trying to lose weight. But, you can’t be logical or rational without emotions. Logic is facilitated by emotion. There is a physiological sensation of clarity or rightness that goes hand in hand with, and also predicts, our mind’s contentment with an inference or decision. Only when the mind is ‘at peace’ with a deduction or decision, can either of those be perceived as rational. Without emotion, we can’t perceive what we thought of as rational. Also, patients who suffer from frontal lobe damage become emotionally void, but aren’t good decision makers. They have trouble making their minds actually. Now as far as having emotions in a general sense goes, I rather have them than not, even if there was a possibility of being logical without them. People who can’t feel are missing out on something amazing, and I pity them. Joy, grief, fear, anger, obsession, compassion, euphoria, peace, courage, etc. I’ll have them all- in controlled amounts of course.
I get that ethnocultural empathy exists, there are people with varying levels of empathy for individuals based on how outwardly similar or different they are, but it hasn’t been the case for me at least? I mean it doesn’t matter to me if someone looks different. I feel bad when bad things happen to people regardless of age, race, cultural background, gender, etc. I’m sure there are others like this too.
[–]novhaku1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Definitively exceptions, yes. Not to mention that here we're talking about a global problem in the dynamics between genders. The problem isn't "they were able to fix it on their own!!". First of all, needing some help isn't something to be ashamed of, as long as it's in an healthy way that doesn't damage others. That's where the difference lies. There's a gap between not wanting to show emotions because it's the a macho and badass thing to do and not wanting to do it because it'll be weaponized against you later with the help of the cops or whatever. Which is the problem here.
Having emotions is normal as long as they're controlled. What isn't is making them the center of your world and wanting to change everything according to them. That's the difference and what is seen as normal (despite being incredibly unhealthy) as women and not for men. It's actually extremely easy to observe since it's one of the reason a woman being watched can feel "attacked" or rather "sexually assaulted" or whatever else; her feelings take priority over reality and the reality of everyone else, and society take this seriously. The opposite applies for a man.
A woman can perfectly "feel rational" until it becomes a bit too personal and then the feelz take priority. Feelz>facts doesn't mean that the person has to be a lunatic, a psycho or anything else like that; it's a common mistake and it's heavily misrepresenting the problem. No reason to react badly to everything just because. It's a matter of priorities, first and foremost, and of level of solipsism of the person which is where the problem usually is. And we don't give a damn about exceptions, once again. Not to mention that due to societal dynamics and the fact that women are more sensitive to social influence, the stability of your supposed exceptions aren't exactly a static thing. Been here, seen that.
Like it or not, some things are black and others are white. That's how it is, facts aren't good or bad, they just are. Moral relativism exists, but it cannot change facts. What you're trying to do here isn't trying to understand why an apple doesn't necessarily have to be red; it's trying to change an apple into an orange, and that cannot be done no matter how much the "world isn't black and white". While there is a gray area about some things, hormones and other things like that DO influence people's behaviour a lot, and these are very observable facts.
What you're doing is closing your eyes on some aspects on reality because it can be uncomfortable, which is not really better (denying that there is a difference of management and of treatment when it comes to feelings for men and women would be absolutely ridiculous) Echo chambers talking about the bad exist for a reason or another, not to mention that "bad" in this case is heavily subjective; women can live however the fuck they want, like anyone else, it's not our problem; as long as they keep their twisted way of thinking away from others to avoid hurting or using them. You want to avoid judging others. It may seem nice, but it also means something else in the end; you'll just end up not doing anything at all. That gray area is comfortable, but life can slap you in the face even if you're here and then you understand that some thigns have to be classified (that's where black and white comes in), otherwise it results in a chaos that nobody wants and that is bad for everyone involved. Accepting differences blindly isn't always a positive thing. It's nice, sure, but it can be bad for everyone.
GYOW also includes recognizing the pitfalls that exist for men in this society to avoid losing your freedom. GYOW or not depends of this, first and foremost. That's why you can't be married and GYOW; because it'll not be your by definition. So sure, GYOW if you want to, but saying that you GYOW and not recognizing that society is extremely hypocritical when it comes to the way men and women express their emotions and how it reacts to them wouldn't really work. It's one of the many tools heavily used in social shaming to keep men from doing what they want after all.
Also this has nothing to do with impulse control AT.ALL. Which is ultimately also a problem on both sides but in a pretty different way. It has everything to do with your paradigm and what you center your decisions around. Acting on your emotions doesn't mean acting "on impulse". That's two very different things. As I said above, the comparison is nonsensial to begin with because emotions are a result. Not a method. Relying on emotions basically means walking with a blindfod. The only difference is consciously refusing to see some things on purpose. Feelings are worthless without logic, just like arts would be worthless without ""science"" (even science in the primitive meaning of the word). Opposing them is nonsensical. The only question being "do these feelings make sense or not?". If they do, your feelings ARE logical. If they come from a misinterpretation of the world, they're unrelated to what you're trying to apply them to in the first place.
Emotions ARE "logical" in the first place. They don't come out of nowhere. The difference is whether they are logical based on the real world, or based on a misinterpretation. If cats make you scared, it doesn't come out of nowhere; the difference being that your "emotions" are a shortcut to your experience; and it's pretty easy to get lost when you try to take a shortcut so there's a chance of them being wrong. Compeltely dissociating the two is nonsense since causality is a thing in all cases. They help decision-making when the decision-making is rational in the first place. That's where female solipsism becomes a problem due to screwed-up data and priorities. But ultimately the two are two sides of the same coin. It depends of HOW you use them.
Your exemple could very well be logical. It just means that despite what you say "losing weight" is just less important than pleasure. A conscious decision isn't necessarily a rational one, nor one that you're hell-bent on following. It's ultimately a matter of data that are screwed-up in one place or another and nothing else.
You can perfectly be rational without emotions though. That's what the scientific method is supposed to be all about. 1+1=2 isn't right because you "feel" it is right; it's right because it follows the rules created when it comes to mathematics. THEN, it might feel right because it follows the rules. But it's just as rational even if a computer is the one doing the calculation.
A thought doesn't need to be perceived as rational to be rational. It just is. Maths is, once again, a great example. A formula that is right is going to be right no matter how you think about it, and whether you rcognize it as rational or not. What works, works.
They aren't good decision maker probably in part due to things like analysis paralysis. Common with some mental problems as well. Hence my shortcut example above. It's not that "emotions are rational". It's just that we live in a world chock-full of unknown variables where trying to reach perfection will screw things up.
That's your problem. I don't pity these people at all. Thigns being right is more important than this. Particularly because as I said, you have to differenciate emotion - the reaction and emotion - the flawed shortcut. One is normal and fine, while believing in the other could be classified as a mental disease if it was more intense.
To clarify, emotions aren't BAD by themselves; but putting it at the same level as science and empathy (which is more or less a daydream) is nonsense. They're a shortcut to your decisions and experiences and just an extension that can be flawed of logical systems that happen to express itself in "feels". Not an independent thing that exists out of the rest.
It is the case for you just like it is the case for everyone, otherwise, you'd constantly be stuck up in this analysis paralysis I talked about earlier because there would be too many possibilities to the point where things would become too complicated to deal with. Let's say that you feel sad(empathy)for someone whose father died because it's a terrible thing; it would be the reaction for most people with a normal background. How do you know that the person, despite its potentially sad look, isn't actually happy that the father died because it was abusing/raping/etc it behind closed doors, and therefore the loss might be a good thing for it? And it's the same for everyone since the way someone feels is essentially a qualia, so you can't be sure about it at all (and words are terrible when it comes to describing complex emotions). Empathy always includes an HUGE amount of projection since it isn't magic; you can't know for sure how someone else feels so you use yourself or your experiences (that can be what you learned from other people) as frame of a reference, or just some kind of "logic" that is ultimately still conjecture. Which can result in this being very wrong. What you call "feeling bad" might be good for other people. In some cultures dying wasn't seen as that much of a bad thing because you were thought to go to paradise and it was seen as a thing WAY better than, say, in christianity. In other cultures yet what you see as "hurtful" will actually be the good way of doing things. You feel sympathy for other people, sure, but that's extremely far from what empathy is actually supposed to be; feeling how the other person feel. That's what EC empathy is supposed to be all about because people are just so sure that they "know what the other is feeling". Not "discriminating against people different from you or not caring about them". It's basically "admitting that empathy means projecting our own way of feeling onto others so if there is an huge cultural difference that makes the other's feelings and your own incompatible, it gets "lost in translation". It's not that much of a great magical thing.
[–]magx010 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
This is no time for questions. A sponge is in distress and needs his brothers.
[–]Solivigent1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Haha.
[–]magx010 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
:)
Nothing dries panties up faster than opening up to them.
Not my case opened up about my depression to some girl friends they were really nice about it and helped me get help
[+]3ricnat0r-7 points-6 points-5 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You guys definitely met the wrong girls. All that I met were really understanding about the things that troubled me
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[–]kluger194 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah don’t tell others to kill themselves man.
That’s where the line is drawn (unless you’re a communist lol)
[–]sdraz1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Literally hang yourself.
I smell Elliot Rodger here.
[–]Bosilaify-1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’ve met a girl that makes me hopeful but knowing what I know I’m still skeptical. Idk being young, how can I not act naively and passionately, even at the risk of the fall. I really feel the love is worth the betrayal.
[–]sdraz-3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are right. As most of us, I have seen this post being valid. But it feels like for ever shitty girl there are a couple good ones who are supportive and overall great. If you are getting in toxic relationships like this one you’re dating the wrong people. And you should really come to know your type and pursue these types of people. Or not; that’s the beauty of choice.
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Says the guy stealing other people's pics to use on r/roastme.
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