WGTOW...

Maximum_Afternoon · 2021-04-25T05:22:56+00:00

Sure, after all, MGTOW isn't about a competition of who has it worse. It's only about the risk/reward ratio, and choosing accordingly.

Nothing about OUR position says that other people might not also find value in similar solutions.

Frosty-Gate-8094 · 2021-04-25T10:02:59+00:00

I appreciate WGTOW for their going on their own way...

What I feel is that marriage validates women in the same way sex validates men...

So, WGTOW (if they truly give up marriage) would be male equivalent of no-fap I feel.
Not exactly mirroring mgtow, but quite a lot similar.

Either way, MGTOW and WGTOW are mutually exclusive. So what they do is not much our concern anyways.

Grandpa_MGTOW · 2021-04-25T05:56:25+00:00

Wait a minute, are you saying something nice about women??? You were criticising me on another thread for being complimentary to women. You said:

The previous one really did remind me of the kind of things we all probably like to to refuge from in this subreddit. At the same time as having a very white knight / simp vibe.

I responded with:

But to my mind, if a man doesn't know the difference between complimenting a woman for simping purposes and complimenting a woman because he wants to, then he isn't going his own way.

Have you been listening to your MGTOW Grandpa after all??? :)

Squiddy-the-wise · 2021-04-25T15:52:02+00:00

lol, copycats

DevelopmentMindless8 · 2021-04-25T13:03:28+00:00

In honesty, they just seem like winning losers who bitch about how they are all ugly and men are horrible racists, i also got curious and went to check the forum. Found no threads whatsoever about self improvement, finances, work related goals, sports, hobbies, hell even actual family and life advice. Nope, nothing, absolutely empty about all the real and useful life loong topics. I did found lots of post like "breeding will make you a slave to men" or "friday food day" hell even meaneless stuff such as "self help day". It's all a bunch of mind blowing self pitty posts full of comments like "yo go gal" "be a free a oooman" and other such female self validation stuff. They don't go they own way, simply because they have no way to go, they don't reach anything because there is nothing to reach for. Legit lost and butthurt women complaints about how the world is not good enough for them and muh feelings got hurt. I expected something akin or at least around the similar level of personal and character growth on mgtow philosophy, but i guess i expected too much....

Ok-Ad-975 · 2021-04-25T07:03:49+00:00

If you look at the posts that subbreddit is about being a female incel (arguable in itself) and feminism. What was interesting is the idea that marriage and children is being pushed on them as a main option in life.

They view that as bad. Is a life of not working really that bad? Expected from this sub but be careful of thinking that this is a parallel.

JesusSamuraiLapdance · 2021-04-25T05:57:07+00:00

It is important to remember that both women and men can have terrible experiences with their respective opposite sex. I'm not surprised that there are reasons why women also leave the dating scene, don't trust men and are skeptical about marriage or having children. They may have different reasons, or some of the same, but the point is that they've come to the same conclusion that MGTOW have. I can respect that.

There'll be bitter people on both sides, but I think there are a lot more people who are generally just tired of other people's shit or who have major trust issues. They aren't worth our time, and we aren't worth their time. Both sides have come to realise that our time is best spent on ourselves.

One thing I don't like about some MGTOW, that could also be something that some WGTOW do, is when they decide that it's better to just sleep around a lot, rather than have relationships (because it poses as less of a risk, and provides quick reward). I understand the logic here. And I'm not going to tell people that they shouldn't seek out sex for the sake of sex. I sometimes consider it myself, and there's no way that everyone would just stop doing it. Most people would want sex from time to time, but us not liking the fact that women monkey-branch, become sluts/unfaithful should run both ways. We're no better than them if we're being sexually loose all the time. Because of this, I'd much rather just drop out of the dating game entirely, or try to develop a long-term relationship while making sure to notice any red-flags and leave upon discovering them. Learn not to get too attached and just live for yourself. Without being an arsehole to the person, obviously. That way when things go sour, it won't have as much of a negative impact.

Building a culture of casual sex only makes the situation worse, I'd argue. I'm not bitter about people having casual sex anymore. I definitely used to be, but I think it is a problem with both of the sexes. Something that leads to both us and them being more untrustworthy, which just leads to more casual sex. It's a vicious cycle, and I know I'm not the only one in this subreddit who thinks that sex isn't always enough and that validation or other things can play an important role. Something that women probably think as well.

Sometimes we perpetuate the very things that we hate about society.

CuriousIncel2 · 2021-04-25T06:16:02+00:00

Best time to be single, whether you're a man or a woman.

Relationships seem to be lose-lose these days.

JohnPerera · 2021-04-25T18:41:00+00:00

I wish WGTOW all the best as it's what women should do when we became MGTOW.

inndbeastftw · 2021-04-26T06:21:04+00:00

Live and let live. It's pretty much what this philosophy is about. For individual means of production, success and happiness. A gender war between wgtow isn't relevant, nor will it fix any of the problems we talk about.

TeddyMGTOW · 2021-04-27T18:21:42+00:00

women going there own way consist of yoga pants, a dog and lots of ice cream....

cleats4u · 2021-04-25T21:37:46+00:00

If you could see these women I bet there is nary a good looking one in the bunch. Even a half assed attractive one could get semenized by a Chad. She just won't pick someone on her level that would stick around. So she's pumped and dumped.

HangZulu · 2021-04-25T21:31:30+00:00

More power to them if they can actually commit to non-commitment.

There's a strong crossover with FDS.

It might take time, and the support of several female comedy sitcoms, in order for them to acclimate to their antidepressants.

oh well.

Lost_Musashi · 2021-04-25T21:08:47+00:00

I can't say anything bad about them. They seem to be serious about going their own way.

Brian-_S · 2021-04-25T07:28:20+00:00

They couldnt come up with their own name huh just flip the M to a W

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SUEDE2BLACK · 2021-04-25T12:02:31+00:00

Only ugly women are WGTOW.I doubt they have any women that's a 5 and up.

Average and above women have no reason to be WGTOW actually they loose by turning away from men.

Ugly women sure if they can't get a quality man go WGTOW not even sure what the point is though.What are men doing that's so horible to these women.

What are the risk involved by having a relationship with a man.

Maybe he's abusive leave He's just using you for sex,you can't be used for sex but leave.

WGTOW doesn't make sense like most things women do but it's atleast not as toxic as FDS .

Total_Coconut_8900 · 2021-04-25T12:23:41+00:00

I don't see any driving theory behind it like "the red pill" or "male nature" so it's quite a bit different in that regard. Other than that the community seems mostly comprised of nerdy girls, which may be why they seem more logical to you.

MajIssuesCaptObvious · 2021-04-25T13:09:31+00:00

I went through several of their posts. There are some comments that showed resentment towards men, but overall much of the content was about moving on from marriage and relationships, and overall positive. I subscribed, because I value content that encourages moving on from the idea that men and women HAVE TO get married and have kids to be complete.

Prudentanalyst79 · 2021-04-25T13:42:26+00:00

I think we should start an oppression Olympics, too.

No, live and let live. Let them be and do what they want. I suspect that for true believers or hardcore, "going your own wayers", the differences between the two sexes is significant, but it shouldn't matter. In a lot of ways like the gays and the lesbians, it would make more sense for us to be allies rather than enemies.

I guess it's important to remember that some of us meet the Better Bachelor mold a lot more than the angry incel or 23 year old red pill mold. Given that, some of us try to come from a place of more mutual respect than animosity.

Solo_and_Simple · 2021-04-25T13:49:37+00:00

That's cool, glad to hear there are some reasonable women over there.

My only experience with a similar forum has not been good. I'm referring to a Facebook group dedicated to people who are happy in their singlehood and have no interest in dating. It's founded by Bella DePaulo, whose research you'll see cited around here sometimes, because she publishes a lot of good stuff overturning myths about marriage. Unfortunately, that forum is 90% women, and 50% of them are feminists who constantly frame everything in terms of patriarchy and oppression. Very tedious. The only men around there seem to be either white knights, blue pill simps, or feminists. Rational male perspectives are quickly squashed.

JusW4naRetireFk · 2021-04-25T14:37:33+00:00

It’s basically the female equivalent of incels, there won’t be a single “hot” woman following wgtow when she could be a millionaire with a sugar daddy or any decent girl just marrying a simp and divorcing a few years later to live cost free while at the same time doesn’t even have to provide sex.

It’s not wgtow but femcel...

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casra888 · 2021-04-25T17:07:35+00:00

I couldn't care less what they do. Not my business, not my problem.

Title	WGTOW...
Author	forsandifs_r
Upvotes	1
Comments	54
Date	April 25, 2021 4:46 AM UTC (5 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW2
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW2/comments/my11xe/wgtow/
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