Why does everyone find MGTOW so offensive?

Bonjourbonjourreturn · 2020-12-09T17:52:03+00:00

Don't bother and don't talk about MGTOW. It is seen as offensive because it is always strawmaned. It is put in the same box as incels who hate women. Why? Because it legitimates the fact to blame, reject and shame this philisophy.

Why doing such a thing? Simple it is the same reason as why the redpill is despised by blue pilled people. Because the slave become aware of their condition and want to leave the plantation. The slave owner can't make them work anymore and is not happy about it.

It is also a part of the feminine imperative. Read The Rational Male, it explains why redpill is despised especialy by women and to some extend why MGTOW is despised. Because MGTOW give freedom to men at the "expense" of women who loose their privilege.

When you are used to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

EDIT : spelling

13065729n · 2020-12-09T18:43:34+00:00

Law 38 - "Think as you like, but behave like others"

If you make a show of going against the times, flaunting your unconventional ideas and unorthodox ways, people will think that you only want attention and that you look down upon them. They will find a way to punish you for making them feel inferior. It is far safer to blend in and nurture the common touch. Share your originality only with tolerant friends and those who are sure to appreciate your uniqueness.

michaelklr · 2020-12-09T17:57:42+00:00

It’s offensive to other guys because they are caught/trapped by their own desires and are jealous of the men that can control themselves. Women are offended because they hate not being in control.

principledbeast1 · 2020-12-09T20:07:29+00:00

If I walk around a casino telling people "the house always wins, don't play the game" how long do you think I'll be allowed in there before I'm escorted out by security?

TheReptilianHuman · 2020-12-09T19:21:22+00:00

MGTOW is like Fight Club.

And you don't...

Can't say but I hope you get it.

RatingsOutOfTen · 2020-12-09T20:04:31+00:00

Women don't like it because on the deeper level of their subconscious, it gives them a deep, visceral fear of losing their value to men which takes a lot to actually do, and perhaps could be argued has never been done before.

When in history have men chosen to walk away from trying to find a woman en masse? I don't think ever, and this is happening because women as a whole are abusing men as a whole. Not all women abuse men, but all women benefit from the idea that men are disposable and women are meant to be worked for, pampered, paid for and earned through a man's hard work. The natural "correction" for women misbehaving and treating men like trash was men choosing to no longer support a belligerent/abusive/drama queen/crazy/cheating spouse. Now there is no solution, and in fact women are REWARDED for being so awful that they end up getting divorced. So now, men are choosing to walk away from marriage, kids, family, and the traditional reason and meaning to life for most men. Instead, more men are choosing to work on themselves and their hobbies or career. The evidence for the entitlement is blatant. Women are invisible to all that men do for them, or if they realize it, they pretend that it's "just good manners" for men to bleed their wallet dry on dates while the woman texts on her phone all evening.

Women have never been left out to dry the way they are in 2020. Women have never been as useless to a man as they are now either. Yes a woman can bring in more income, but she can also bring more bills, and wise men know this. Women today also WON'T cook... and they WON'T clean. They won't sew clothing. They won't help with the garden. They won't help with any yard work. They won't even stay home and give up their precious "girls night out" combined with "oopsie, I had too much to drink... let me stay at a friend's house :)))" Would a man have a guy's night out and then just, through a text tell his girl that he's not coming home? Leaving her alone to wonder if he's cheating? Even if the woman or man in question isn't cheating... why would you be so irresponsible as to set things up that way? Do you think that a man or woman doing that will make a decent partner or parent to any kids? Of course not.

Yes, there are still simps left, and maybe they will have children with these women and then get divorced and continue another generation of children who learn this behavior and do the same thing. Maybe simps will get together and fix the system... who knows? I have no idea. I am well aware that my genetic line very well may never get passed down, and when I first realized just how bad it was, I was a bit angry, but now I realize that it doesn't matter. Women never have this shaking fear of not being good enough to find a mate. Women know that they can "settle down later" if they want to, and they actually can... assuming they are still fertile... assuming they can tolerate the leftover, low income, divorced, balding, overweight, video game addicted, smelly, dirty, not datable men who would actually settle down with them and be happy to give them a baby. Most women, even the dirty, smelly, no good, fat women that SHOULD get with these men, won't accept their position in life. They are busy waiting for Prince Charming who will never come... ever... ever. Ladies... if you are reading this... prince charming is either already married, or he got burned already and is prepared to die alone. You are stuck with Shrek and the Donkey from your list of Disney Princes now.

In short, women don't realize it with their ego. Like I said, it's deep within their subconscious mind. They are afraid of being left with either the leftover, broken, poor men or no man. They can never respect this leftover man (assuming that man even wants her still, because many low value men who have been broken by the courts or false allegations won't date a high value woman if she looks like trouble) and they had ANYTHING they wanted and didn't realize it until they became 35 and suddenly they lost their value. They can't handle that, or maybe don't realize it. This really scares them. All women want a family. All women want that happy suburban home. They threw their chances away because they kept wanting to either upgrade, or nag their man to death until he stopped caring. These women also have simps who don't understand women because they have never really dated them seriously. These simps just hate whatever the women hate to agree with the woman, which I think is pretty easy to understand.

Redpill or PUA men don't like MGTOW because they will lose those Stay at home moms and cheating girlfriends that are an easy source of no-strings-attached sex. These redpill men, often accurately, imagine MGTOW men as being basic, beta men who have girlfriends who have blatantly cheated, but the MGTOW man either didn't know the signs to break it off with her, or was too in disbelief to walk away from the relationship when he should have. These redpill and PUA men need to also realize that the conditions present to have a hookup culture are caused by a false sense of abundance with social welfare programs, girl power movements, and legal systems that keep fathers out of households that keep the women afloat and feeling "strong and independent" when in reality these women are dependent on the taxpayer dollars of men.

TLDR?

Women are afraid of losing their value. Simps will agree with the women. Some actual decent men hate MGTOW, because they can't understand that many MGTOW men don't really want to be PUA or players, but actually want a family, and the vast bulk of modern women aren't marriage material. It makes sense, to be honest, that most PUA or redpill men wouldn't understand MGTOW, because a lot of these men don't want to have a lifelong wife, which is fine. PUAs and Redpill men who want lots of rampant sex with many women would hate MGTOW if they figured it out more because if the men who want families walk away from the women, there are going to be women that figure out the basic premise that women don't just want men solely for their resources and big dicks, but that women also want companionship and a life partner and that women need it a lot more than men do, so the cheating spouse and cuck dynamic, which seems to be every woman and PUA's pipedream is going to go away. The understanding that sex is for making babies and not just for fun is going to return again if a vast bulk of men step out of the game, which is exactly what is happening. The whole modern hookup culture and easy lifestyle of a woman abusing simps until she finds a successful man to settle with and then cheat on with guys from the club is going to go away. Remember "don't hate the player, hate the game." That should become MGTOW's motto. We aren't trying to change women. We aren't trying to bring PUAs to heel. We don't hate the players. We hate the game, and we don't even know if not playing means we will win, but we aren't playing anyway.

I hope this helps.

MakeSail · 2020-12-09T18:30:56+00:00

Really, they don't. They find the actually unrelated things associated with the label offensive. they find the group association offensive.

Most men don't know they're MGTOW. Most people don't know men who are MGTOW actually are. Being a confirmed bachelor was what people said before(it was also a euphemism for being gay).

Men who simply say, when it comes up, "I prefer single life" aren't hated or found offensive. Sure they might get a "I think that's sad" or "you'll get lonely". People get a bit more agitated when the rate and costs of failed relationships are brought up. That's not hard to understand. People want to believe in the dream, not see numbers on how believers often wake up in a dumpster. People don't want their pool of candidates to be reduced due to a lot of people getting off the ride.

For a woman who wants to get married, then yeah it makes sense to hate MGTOW irrespective of what about it she actually hates; the false equivalence with misogyny etc. or MGTOW the philosophy of freedom for men. To her it only means men who won't marry. It makes perfect sense, although very dishonest, to say it's for losers/incels/women haters(which plays on the common male fear of low status). It's much like a lot of silly rhetoric in politics; anything but leftism and socialism is actually evil and hate. A lot simpler to spout than selling your brand of thinking.

WHY IS IT FUCKING ACCEPTABLE FOR WOMEN TO SAY “ALL MEN ARE TRASH”?

It isn't, but men don't do social punishment the same way women do. We do not need to shame or admonish women. We simply ignore those who speak like that. Women should feel as if they can say whatever they want. They will speak their minds and we will ignore those with rotten minds. Yelling at them or whatever will only make them hide it. I say let them speak and show us what they're really made of.

UnearthlyDinosaur · 2020-12-09T18:36:56+00:00

It’s socially acceptable to say negative things about men. Not the case with women.

I don’t talk about MGTOW. With others I act like women are awesome 😂😂😂. I used to express myself freely but that only led to bad consequences. I only tell people what they want to hear now

thebluthbananas · 2020-12-09T19:04:29+00:00

Lol dude are you serious. Don't ever reveal your true beliefs in public. 48th law of power -- think as you like but behave like everyone else. You're lucky you didn't get cancelled on twitter and got a hate mob at your doorstep or or family doxxed or some shit. You better wake up from this now. This isn't a game. The world is just about like 1984 now and you can literally get crucified for speaking the truth. So keep your head down and stay under the radar. ALWAYS.

CropCircle77 · 2020-12-09T19:40:53+00:00

MGTOW has become a label which has been appropriated by red pillers and incels and other negative people.

That's why MGTOW has aquired such a bad image.

All the negativity that I see seeping into this sub. Fight it.

Yeah, I could report posts left and right. I just don't feel called upon. I don't even assume the label MGTOW. Because I'm not. I agree with the philosophy and I wish I'd known earlier in life. But I just am not ready. Maybe I'll never be.

I agree with the basics. I try to contribute in a positive way to this sub.

Please keep the negativity out of this sub.

The reason why MGTOW is viewed as a bad thing by the general populace is because of the negative people it attracts.

Jesus Christ, just kick them out. Let them go to their hate subs and leave us alone.

apexvice88 · 2020-12-09T20:56:15+00:00

It's like the first rule of fight club.. don't talk about it.

30203forever · 2020-12-09T18:11:49+00:00

Learn how to say "It's complicated" and the idea that you do not have to answer any questions you do not want to. Mind your own business and demand the same from the other people you're dealing with. As far as why we're having the double standards, that's because the sheeple (99% of females and the majority of men) are in charge of the narrative no different from the people who are urging you to buy the stock market at ANY valuation. They're either dumb or profiting from it, that's all. Has been like that from the beginning of time so no surprise there!

casra888 · 2020-12-09T18:24:50+00:00

People despise the truth.

M1L03 · 2020-12-09T19:19:06+00:00

That's because the majority of then doesn't even know what the MGTOW realy is. All they know is what the've heard/read in the mainstream media. They might have came across some sensationalist article writen by some socialist extremist or feminazi writen in politically correct manner up until the very end when the writer gave his/heres perspective on it in the conclusion (i.e. demonize us). Which is the most articles writen about the MGTOW that you can find in the mainstream media.

And that's all they know. The common people. If they are not interested by a subject, but are curiouse about the term which they heared somewhere, they'll google it, find a bucket full of crap and they'll be satisfied with the information they found with no intention for fact checking or hearing the other side.

The majority of men doesn't stand us not because of the envy, but becaus of the lack of information, or false perspective served to them. Women, on the other hand, besides the reason given above (which is the main reason), hate us because we are not just someone who dared to break from thier chains, but also a possible threat to thier dominion over the other blue-pilled men and someone who can expose that the emperor has no clothes.

It's the best way, I think, not to use the term MGTOW in front of the ''normies'' to describe yourself. As you expirienced from the example with your friend (who just showed you how much of the friend she realy is to you. I can bett that she would react in a totally different way if you said that you are a gay). Just remember the first rule of the Fight Club next time, ok?

Cheers, brother!

ConfederateGuy · 2020-12-09T19:47:22+00:00

Dude in a woman’s mind us guys here at MGTOW are the equivalent of taking our ball and going home because of how the game is played.

I'll elaborate. The women have stacked the deck and made the laws just to their liking so now that more and more men are not playing their game, they are becoming desperate and upset. Whenever you tell a woman that you've gone MGTOW you’re essentially telling them "hit the bricks witch and earn your own money" and they can't STAND it.

For the educated few women out there who do know and understand that MGTOW has nothing to do with hatred or misogyny it’s still gutting to them that a decent man who has earning potential and is a viable breeder no longer wants to be with ANY woman because of the risks involved. Prenups are a joke in most cases and the women know it.

I’m right there with you as far as the professional ladies go, they’re cheaper in the long run and much better at the act than an amateur. They won’t balk at the thought of rimming a guy.

I hope this helps answer your question.

ManOfHope567 · 2020-12-09T21:37:54+00:00

Some people WANT to be offended.

CoolDEpot · 2020-12-09T18:53:30+00:00

Because offense is the perfect excuse to not interact with arguments and apply censorship.

skeletonshorror · 2020-12-09T21:55:48+00:00

They’re threatened by not being wanted, included or ignored and sometimes all three. 💀🔥

happyhappyhuman · 2020-12-10T00:06:53+00:00

The concept of any potentially sizeable demographic rejecting the actual status quo offends people. Even when the game is rigged, people at least want to feel like they know the rules above all else. So, if they “know the rules” then we are rule breakers and must be punished. The idea that there are no rules hasn’t even been considered by most people.

VestigialHead · 2020-12-10T00:17:41+00:00

The original MGTOW sub here did not help. It was originally about MGTOW. But then got overrun with red pill rage and women hatred. It became the male version of FDS. So this did not help MGTOW's reputation.

Another reason is that MGTOW destroys the game that a lot of women play these days. They want a man that pays for them so they can live an easy princess lifestyle. The more men that go MGTOW the less easy it is for these women to find a simp to do so. So they despise this group for making them actually have to take financial responsibility for themselves.

bondcola007 · 2020-12-10T01:06:44+00:00

First rule of MGTOW: Don’t talk about MGTOW

Impossible-asset · 2020-12-10T01:20:59+00:00

The first rule about mgtow is you do not talk about mgtow.

The second rule of MGTOW is, you do NOT TALK ABOUT MGTOW.

Doing so outside of a small online evironment like this is a sure-fire recipe to make your life harder. Because it is a lifestyle built around philosophical ideas that society finds offending to their sensibilities....

In order to live peacefully, keep your decusions well hidden to yourself. Do not brag about mgtow, just BE mgtow.

If the conversation comes up as to why you aren't married or why you don't have a girlfriend, just say "i'm waiting until i meet the right one for me, and i'm not doing that until i'm finished with (whatever you are doing, school, internship, first year of work, etc)."

You put a swift and polite end to the discussion, and that as they say is that.

hgaben90 · 2020-12-10T03:10:50+00:00

To me, MGTOW is not a club with badges and ID cards that can be considered an organization of any sort. Just a bunch of dudes with similar attitude towards life finding each other on social media. Concluding from this, I don't make the "mgtow" label part of my social identity, and because of that, I don't provide a surface to attack, and simply exist as a self reliant guy in outsiders' eye. For all other purposes, I'm glad I found this group, but I don't feel like I actually joined something by being here.

mutunda · 2020-12-10T14:10:04+00:00

Don’t mix shit with you’re coffee and call it Carmel kid. Keep you’re mouth shut it’s that simple. Just be a covert MGTOW. It’ll save you a lot of stress and you get to laugh at the retard in class announcing to the world “iM a MgTOw duuuuuur” while frantically attempting to smell some chicks beefy burrito box from Taco Bell. It’s called the silent revolution for men for a reason. Be quiet. Live you’re life be it with or without women (and yes you can date as a MGTOW) cheers from the other side of the pond.

2020-12-10T16:43:24+00:00

Do not talk about this stuff unless you want to get ostracized by your peers.

Laws of Power 38: Think as you like but behave like others

https://www.shortform.com/blog/48-laws-of-power-law-38-think-as-you-like-but-behave-like-others/

cuddlemechloe · 2020-12-11T21:51:46+00:00

Google "MGTOW" on incognito. The "manosphere" is a subculture with branches, that the community defends as super different, how could you think they were related?? But people do. The general assumption is that redpill, MGTOW, incels, PUA, alt-right have a lot of overlap. The only time most ppl have heard of it is a handful of high-profile mass shooters were active in "the manosphere" in some capacity. Casually bringing the acronym up makes ppl assume you might be about to write a manifesto, of course you're going to get side eye.

And you're kidding yourself if you think there's no reason for that assumption. As common as/maybe cathartic as it is for people of the same gender to sit around and gripe about the opposite sex, especially in their dating years, it gets ugly. I mean, this is MGTOW #2. So you know. Anyone who's been aware of manosphere stuff for even a year sees the women-hate that crosses the line go through their feed. A sub gets too many of those ppl, communities get too much bad press, reddit has to take it down.

There's nothing wrong with disinterest in dating, disillusion with marriage. Nobody likes that shit, they'll get what you mean. Say that.

IHVeigar · 2020-12-09T18:47:44+00:00

Ghost in plain sight. Become the grey man.

The-truth-hurts1 · 2020-12-09T21:28:01+00:00

I think the reason is they see it as “against women” when in reality its “for men”.. of course the issue here is that we do “for men because here are some examples we are against women” explications.. which leads down all sorts of rabbit holes of “against women” especially when we experience “red pill rage”

peguy2000 · 2020-12-09T23:27:50+00:00

Because men are supose to be slaves and oppresed. Men have never been free till now

prelude12342000 · 2020-12-10T00:23:52+00:00

It takes away women's power, that's it.

Maleficent-Kaiba · 2020-12-10T00:40:46+00:00

I think you are all over reading this

Mgtow gets a bad rep due to its associations. Those women who know anything about it in detail have sat here and watched you come up with wild accusations about them, therefor misogynistic accusations.

Women don’t care if you Gtow they just hate the culture attached to mgtow.

It also strikes at our fears, since mgtow men often still practice sex without any intentions of relationships. This creates a fear of being used by you, a hatred because women will view you as a user and the biggest aspect that will see us despise you. It reminds us of a truth that we don’t want to face. That men are shallow in their pursuit of sex and would rather have casual sex than commit to a woman.

What you have to realise is the irony that everything you believe to be true about women is the same as what women believe about men. Furthering the irony, mgtow and black pill is born out of men being disgusted by women who act like stereotypical men. Same accusations, same repulsions.

But seriously your post sounds a bit to much like mgtow is your revenge story. Like you want women to be mad your unavailable so you twist what they say to fit that narrative. If that’s true then are you really mgtow?

lukesaucewalker20 · 2020-12-10T01:27:51+00:00

Because it takes power and resources from women.

daniellederek · 2020-12-10T02:03:38+00:00

Because you are opting out of "choosing" to saddle yourself with the debt that comes with trying to keep a woman "happy". If enough do this capitalism will collapse.

madeinFina0 · 2020-12-10T02:03:39+00:00

Many may say that Similar to the Bible, the red pill/MGTOW finds you, you don’t find it. After all, weren’t we all looking for advice in a similar situation in one way or another?

I personally do not talk about MGTOW face to face with people. It will simply backfire, and I value my time more than that

Sid_Insidious · 2020-12-10T04:47:33+00:00

Because women, and their gynocentric society, can't tolerate the word "no".

MyLittlePonyofDoom · 2020-12-10T05:59:17+00:00

‘Everyone’ doesn’t find mgtow offensive because most people literally don’t know it exists.

TheApricotCavalier · 2020-12-10T07:28:59+00:00

Idk. Id tell you to ask them, but theyll probably lie

gxwho · 2020-12-10T09:18:50+00:00

It's like when slaves wanted to be freed and left alone, but there was vested interest in keeping them subjugated.

You can't go your own way. We need to keep you mentally chained so that we can subjugate you, use you, exploit you, and you need to just accept being used.

They'll never admit that, hut just put two and two together with what modern feminism says and does.

2020-12-10T11:43:14+00:00

They know that you know.

Snoo_95427 · 2020-12-10T14:40:46+00:00

"All who gain power are afraid to lose it"

DevilComeKnockin · 2020-12-10T23:46:05+00:00

Back before I got Redpilled enough to leave the plantation, I used to run around with alot of the local feminist crowd. I remember they would post alot of anti-Redpill stuff. One time when I was helping a friend move, I remember two of those feminists talking about how their ex's (who had been big male allies) were now eradicating all traces of feminism from their FB's... and the look on their faces was SO forlorn.

Every woman I know likes to try and keep on good terms with a man she dumps, so she has the option of mining him for attention and resources as a back-burner project. MGTOW not only represents a man who cannot be extracted, but furthermore...

A man who would rather spend his life alone, than ever risk being with a woman like HER again.

That bites 'em deep.

antifeminist3 · 2020-12-11T00:21:52+00:00

When a few days say 'all women are like that' eg with respect to being golddiggers etc, they only look at that and say 'all mgtow are misogynists'.

They conflate the actions of a few with the entire group.

BillCl1tcum · 2020-12-11T07:30:06+00:00

This must be a troll account to get people rallied up. Your question is considered basic mgtow knowledge. If you dont know the basics, study the basic material. This also isnt red pill rage this is mgtow2. Wrong reddit🤷‍♂️

a_aniq · 2020-12-11T13:37:37+00:00

There's no entry or exit gate to MGTOW. MGTOW is like a society where the worthy stumbles upon. Some guys are in without knowing about it, most guys know about it after entering it. Only the worthy should have the privilege of knowing about it. Stop ranting about it to those who are not worthy.

Title	Why does everyone find MGTOW so offensive?
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Date	December 9, 2020 5:43 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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