About the Brock Turner case

ausertoremember · 2017-09-05T03:24:26+00:00

You should do a bit more research on that case.... she was unable to consent, incapacitated, not just drunk. Witnesses were key to the successful prosecution. He did not 'get away with it'. The shit-storm that ensued was due to the lenient sentencing handed down by the judge.

You may also recall that his father read a statement (or provided to the court) that his swimming was in jeopardy. MSM thought that was inappropriate.

So, yes - you missed quite a bit.

MagicTampon · 2017-09-05T03:55:30+00:00

Did I miss anything?

Well... not so much.

Went out with a girl...

Well yes in the sense that they left a party. I don't think they knew each other prior to that night.

They both consented to sex

So far as I know, there was no allegation that they consented to sexual intercourse. Turner alleged that there was consent to some sexual activity short of sex after she fell behind the wooden shed. The woman claims she remembers nothing. There were no other witnesses to those moments.

Two Swedish grad students gave testimony that they saw Turner on top of a college girl who was unconscious. He was fingering her.

If you infer from those stories that Turner didn't notice that the girl went unconscious, and that's why he was convicted, that seems like a reasonable inference.

And in that case, it is a reasonable conviction, because if the woman was unconscious, a reasonable person would have known that she was unconscious, and Turner would therefore be accountable to have known that -- his being drunk is not an excuse.

The judge decided not to convict him of rape.

It was a jury trial. So it wasn't up to the judge to convict or not convict on anything.

Yes, Turner was charged with rape and he wasn't convicted by the jury of rape. I think that's because digital penetration is considered felony sexual assault in California, not rape. He was also charged with attempted rape, but I assume that because it could not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Turner intended to have sexual intercourse with her.

So basically, Turner was convicted of felony sexual assault, which is appropriate and the correct decision.

Not sure why Turner was charged with rape in the first place (anyone know?)

No, MSM wasn't outraged because the judege didn't convict Turner of rape.

The MSM reported the whole thing as "college kid rapes girl, they were both sober and he got away with it because he's rich and white.'

Not sure that correlates with anything I read from the MSM. I think the MSM reported that she was unconscious and two people witnessed her being unconscious while he was fingering her.

MSM was outraged because the judge gave a sentence that was on the light side (6 months in jail), and the judge said something along the lines that Turner seemed to be an otherwise a decent person who is unlikely to re-offend, justifying a 6 month sentence.

A agree though, that the response from the MSM was out of proportion. There are reasonable arguments to be made on either side, as to how he should have been sentences (shorter vs. longer).

It's particularly hypocritical for feminists to complain about the judge though, given their track record of egregious sexism in advocating for lighter sentencing of females:

https://archive.fo/vaWbo

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1311004/Judges-ordered-mercy-women-criminals-deciding-sentences.html

Yet:

https://www.law.umich.edu/newsandinfo/features/Pages/starr_gender_disparities.aspx

Frankly, I think 6 months in jail is a reasonable sentence for a kid who fingers a girl who has fallen unconscious during a drunken hookup.

There are a lot of female teachers who molest minor students and who get no jail, only probation, for it.

But we all know that modern feminists are largely female chauvinist sows so...

galtthedestroyer · 2017-09-05T03:19:44+00:00

Not that I can recall.

tdabc123 · 2017-09-05T03:36:05+00:00

I think what you missed the most important part... He was convicted of rape. Not accused and cleared, not accused but it was he said she said, he was convicted of rape. I don't think we want imply we are ok with lenient sentences for convicted rapists.

If want to debate the rather or not he should have been convicted, we can do that. But at the end if the day, convicted rapists should go to jail.

Sasha_ · 2017-09-05T05:30:46+00:00

That's not what Marcus Carter's big brother said: https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/c37fb3e5-c809-446a-86e9-2b938a3fc816

Kyle_Fischer · 2017-09-05T16:13:33+00:00

No, you left out the probation officer's report requesting a county jail sentence with credits based on the alleged vic's statement that she did not want his life ruined and that " he doesn't need to be behind bars."

Instead, the media made you think that the prosecutor and the alleged vic wanted Turner to go to jail for a number of years, but the woman-hating judge overruled them.

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/2858997-Probation-officer-s-report-in-Brock-Turner-case.html

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Title	About the Brock Turner case
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Date	September 5, 2017 2:49 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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