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Answer to 'Does Manspreading offend you?' that's really relatable in public transport.

Memey-McMemeFace

May 5, 2018
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Title Answer to 'Does Manspreading offend you?' that's really relatable in public transport.
Author

Memey-McMemeFace

Upvotes 292
Comments 47
Date May 5, 2018 2:23 PM UTC
(8 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/8h7tiq/answer_to_does_manspreading_offend_you_thats/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/answer-to-does-manspreading-offend-you-thats.1178039
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Comments

[–]smfuel8794 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link

The topic of "man spreading" as a common feminist gripe is proof that women generally don't have any real problems in this world.

MRA's complain about unfair custody practices in family court, high male suicide rates and zero fucks given to them when they are victims of domestic abuse...and their valid sentiments are cast down as "misogyny or hate speech" or just out right ignored.

...but no. No... "Man spreading" is the topic being shoved into our faces ad nauseum through rags like buzz feed , the guardian and Tumblr.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 27 points28 points29 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The sexist air conditioning one was hilarious too.

"For a given air conditioning setting it's colder for women who both have the option of lighter clothing in the summer and opt to wear it"

[–]Revoran 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Manspreading and "sexist aircon" are on the level of complaining about men leaving the toilet seat up. Total non-issues.

[–]TracyMorganFreeman 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A bunch of spoiled people accustomed to so much convenience that the slightest delay is confused with oppression.

[–]The_Best_01 19 points20 points21 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget Vox and Salon, ever the paragons of quality "journalism".

[–]LaeBear 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Manspreading makes me really angry. Because there are actually a few problems still in need of feminism. And shit like this makes that people don’t take feminism serious anymore. Also with people saying rape to everything, saying men can’t be victim of sexism. Etc. Ffs

[–]Jex117 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That's because feminism has become a big business. There's all kinds of feminist academia, professors, teachers, speakers, outreach groups, etc. All kinds of feminist oriented media like Buzzfeed and Salon, a plethora of feminist magazines, feminist comedians and actresses, feminist writers / producers, etc.

It's not about solving manspreading or sexist air conditioning - it's about keeping their victimhood based business model ticking. They simply can't afford to admit that feminism has accomplished all of its goals; more and more they desperately cling to unattainable goals, no-win-scenarios, objectives that have no quantifiable end game.

[–]LaeBear 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ugh it litteraly disgusts me. Because there are really a few things. The wage problem, the not believing of woman about crimes (rape), the line: “men can’t be raped.”, the hardship woc still have (all poc actually.) I think the old feminism is escpacially important in country’s of America. But in this way people just think it’s stupid

[–]smfuel87 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If there was a wage "problem", then why don't business owners and companies hire entirely women and save 30% in labor expenses?

[–]Distrusting_Winston2 points 8 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

There is no wage problem.

If women want to make as much as men, they should work harder. Like men do.

[–]LaeBear 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]smfuel87 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Eloquently put response.

[–]Revoran 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The topic of "man spreading" as a common feminist gripe is proof that women generally don't have any real problems in this world.

No, that doesn't follow at all.

By that logic, if a man complains about something stupid then it's proof that men have no problems in the world. Which we know isn't the case.

It might be a sign that that particular person has no real problems, though. Or that they're just an idiot who can't see real problems when they happen and focuses on stupid bullshit instead, perhaps because that view has been pushed on them by stupid media.

[–]smfuel87 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

No. The key word here being "Generally", referring to the female population as a whole and not on the individual level. Barring personal problems that extend outside of the realm of gender based issues, I fail to see any real problems or oppressions perpetrated on western women, and the constant beating of the dead horse issue of "Man Spreading" rather than any substantiative alternative topic only serves to confirm my opinion.

Its like saying All women are evil people because they seek out mates for what resources they can provide them and their offspring rather than the romantic notion of traditional "Love".....and they need to change to fit men's expectations!!! Well, no. Its just their nature and biological reality and they can and will never change. Not their fault.

[–]the-capitan 45 points46 points47 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

then close your legs!

i can't, i have a medical condition

really? that you can't shut your legs together? what's the condition?

i have testicles

according to a university in texas, masculinity is now a treatable condition, which means you could argue having testicles REQUIRES accommodation under the ADA.

[–]awwyouknow 53 points54 points55 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Would you suffocate a pig?”

“What? Of course not..”

“Well neither would I, and this hog needs to breathe.”

[–]stinkfoot63 22 points23 points24 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

"I have a suggestion about where you can shove that handbag"

[–]The_Best_01 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hint: it rhymes with hatch.

[–]Kickmekicku 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Your fucking cunt

[–]Bluefish178 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your rhyming is very good.

[–]The_Best_01 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Close enough.

[–]supermario218 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Always wear headphones. 100% of the time. Tune out the bitches

[–]benjwgarner 8 points9 points10 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And, according to what they say, talking to someone wearing headphones is harassment!

[–]v574v 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I close my legs I decrease my stability pyramid and you will be required to structurally support me or forgive me when I crush you.

Take your bag and place it on your head to increase your center of gravity and observe what you do to increase your stability.

[–]Absintheuphoric 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

To this day I don't know how some guys can cross their legs like women.

[–]chadwickofwv 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Very small thighs and balls I assume.

[–]Revoran 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When I was skinny af I could do it. Wasn't comfortable for long periods but it could be done.

But if you're fat or have muscly legs, or you're one of the small minority who have very large junk, then I can see how it's just not gonna happen for you.

[–]DEVOmay97 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Kinda chubby here, so I definitely would squish the boys. Although I've noticed that I don't even spread my legs voluntarily, it just kind of happens when I sit down. Idk if my hip bone os shaped weird or whatever but it's like if I don't actively push against it my legs just sort of force apart when I sit.

[–]Memey-McMemeFace 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not that bad when you're skinny. I have a habit of doing that.

[–]Trutherist 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't interact at all, simply ignore them. Then they must either resort to hysterical screeching or attempt violence or physical contact... which will end badly for them.

[–]NoxHexaDraconis 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a dunce. We have a pair of walnuts and one of those ballpark franks down there, there's only so far we can close our legs before they turn into a nutcracker.

[–]Danphil90 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can't believe that women actually complain about this, this is absurd, women do more annoying things in public than that. When i'm on public transport i always put my backpack next to me so no one can sit next to me.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd like to see more commentary on this subreddit that explores advocacy for men, instead of just whining about feminism. It would be more constructive, and could actually result in real, positive change.

[–]jimmywiddle 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would like to see more posts of different types from the people coming to this sub constantly whining about other people's posts. When they themselves have contributed nothing.

[–]hey_vmike_saucel_her 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Closing your legs would make less space for u to move up then u already had tho

[–]staticsnake -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"My groin needs some space."

Is this real? How is that even a viable answer? That's just stupid.

[+]contexistential -15 points-14 points-13 points 8 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

This is not “relatable”. A woman who takes up a seat on crowded public transit for her stuff is objectively an asshole. It’s entirely warranted to ask her to move it, other women wouldn’t tolerate this either. I highly doubt you spend much time on the subway if you are imagining it to be full of entitled women that expect men to move to accommodate their handbags.

The subway is full of men who egregiously spread out. Some of them are obliviously entitled, others are outwardly entitled and hostile. This is entirely relatable.

The subway is also full of men who are extremely courteous. A woman who views all men as manspreaders is just as sexist as the ridiculous comments I see all the time from men who reduce women to silly creatures who shop all day and throw their bags all over the men who work hard to support their families. Entitled women who shop all day are above public transit anyway, they are far more likely to steal your cab.

I’m positive that if I politely asked a man to give up his seat entirely because I wasn’t feeling well he would be happy to do so. Men and women are both quick to give up their seats without being asked for pregnant women, small children or elderly people, but in my observation men are slightly more likely to notice these people. In those awkward situations where two people realize they are both going for the same seat, the man will often insist that the woman take it even if he was closer and she tells him to go ahead. It’s not uncommon for men to offer up their seat to me simply because I am a woman. (which is kind but completely unnecessary and I never take them up on it)

Edit: word

[–]Tedesche 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

The subway is full of men who egregiously spread out. Some of them are obliviously entitled, others are outwardly entitled and hostile. This is entirely relatable.

How many men have you encountered on the subway who would not make room by closing their legs if you indicated you wanted to sit down? It’s not about entitlement, it’s about comfort. I take the subway practically every single day, and I’ve encountered maybe one or two men who wouldn’t make room for someone to sit in 15+ years.

Manspreading is a myth, cooked up by feminists who wanted to blame their toxic female passivity on men for interfering with them getting a seat on trains.

[–]contexistential -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Someone taking up two seats on the train should not have to be asked to close his legs to allow others to sit.

[–]Tedesche 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If you are unable to express your desire to sit down and expect others to read your mind so that you don’t have to, you are in serious need of therapy and are unfit for society. Plenty of men spread their legs for comfort, but will close them to shoulder width upon realizing someone wants to sit next to them. There is nothing wrong with this, and if you think there is, I think you have some issues you need to sort through.

[–]contexistential -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ok I’ll go on the train tomorrow and lie down across two seats for comfort while everyone else stands. I can’t read minds so anyone unable to express their desire for me to not be a dick is unfit for society.

[–]Tedesche 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you think that’s comparable, that just provides further evidence that you are unfit for society.

[–]contexistential -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Please explain to me how spreading my body across two seats is different from a man spreading his body across two seats.

[–]Tedesche 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

(sigh) Alright, ill explain it one time, but if you don’t get it then, I’m not going to waste my time with you further.

Deliberately lying across seats sends the message to others that you have no intention of moving. You are conscious of the fact that you’re taking up more than one seat, are using them for a reason other than they were intended, and are grossly outside the bounds of social norms and/or train etiquette. Also, this behavior is associated with bums, at least where I’m from. Point being, people are far less likely to ask you to make room, because you doing something so abnormal makes the act seem deliberate and you seem potentially unstable.

By contrast, letting your legs rest such that you take up more than one seat (or even putting a bag in the seat next to you, to add the female equivalent into the mix here) is very much within social norms. It does not appear like you are intentionally taking up two seats with no willingness to make room, and therefore people are more comfortable asking you to do so.

[+]Soccitoomee -6 points-5 points-4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

man spreading is REALLY annoying ... some idiots just basically squash you on the train. one guy once had me right up against the wall with his whole arm and leg pressed up against me

we had words.

[–]DEVOmay97 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It may be possible that this one guy was an asshole, but it sounds to me like your train either had abnormally narrow seats and/or the guy was a larger than average person. Either way, you could have remedied this problem by attempting to sit somewhere with a little more space, or maybe you could do what many men already have to do and stand. After all, if standing is good enough for them, it's good enough for you too. If you have a medical problem requiring you to sit, most people on that train regardless of gender would have moved if you had a medical problem.

[–]Soccitoomee 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uhmm I was there on my seat first. He came along afterwards, and squashed me into the window ... Why would I stand for him? You certainly wouldnt lol

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