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Apparently men need a government agency to tell them how to be good fathers, because we can't figure it out by ourselves

fastal_12147

April 1, 2016
34 upvotes
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https://www.fatherhood.gov/?gclid=CjwKEAjwuPi3BRClk8TyyMLloxgSJAAC0Xsj1O08gnH8E38BWLtvsx_ZM1TJhUHnom2agUEDB8uyXRoC96Dw_wcB
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Title Apparently men need a government agency to tell them how to be good fathers, because we can't figure it out by ourselves
Author

fastal_12147

Upvotes 34
Comments 21
Date April 1, 2016 11:06 PM UTC
(10 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/4cyqis/apparently_men_need_a_government_agency_to_tell/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/apparently-men-need-a-government-agency-to-tell.952734
https://theredarchive.com/post/952734
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[–]TheRealSquirrelGirl 14 points15 points16 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My friend's baby mama was not suitable to care for a child, so he got full custody.

Despite him having no criminal background or history of drug abuse, a government agency checked in on him regularly as if he had been accused of abusing his kid already.

By default, the government does assume you aren't suitable parents.

[–]redditorriot 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I'd be good with this if it wasn't for the patronising, dogmatic wording.

'Responsible' fatherhood

'Strong' fathers

Actually, fuck that, they have a guilt 'pledge':

In response to President Obama’s call for a national conversation on responsible fatherhood and healthy families:

I pledge to renew my commitment to family and community. I recognize the positive impact that fathers, mothers, mentors, and other responsible adults can have on our children and youth, and pledge to do all I can to provide children in my home and throughout my community the encouragement and support they need to fulfill their potential.

https://www.fatherhood.gov/pledge

Until men have equal reproductive rights, go fuck yourselves with this shaming bullshit.

[–]publicbigguns 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You could probably consider this "Womensplaining"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I prefer the more colorful "Cuntsplaining"

[–]v573v 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Finally! Society is demanding that fathers or father figures act on behalf of the betterment of the community!

When it's desired it's called responsible fatherhood and it's a new thing we should all get behind!

When it's undesired it's called the patriarchy and it's an evil archaic system that should be smashed!

[–]AtemAndrew 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks Obama!

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Inspiring your daughter's inner Girl Boss":

https://www.fatherhood.gov/dadtalk-blog/inspiring-your-daughters-inner-girl-boss

Nothing about being a wonderful mother, or working on the deck of a trawler at -20 degrees in the North Sea. Nothing about digging up roads, or laying bricks...

[–]geniice 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Its not a government agency. Its a program of the Office of Family Assistance which in turn is a sub agency of the Administration for Children and Families.

As for figuring out how to be a good father yourself. Well. Look humans are cleaver monkeys but child rearing is seriously complicated. Its not something you can figure out from first principles. Humans have always looked to third parties for help. Traditionally close family members and usually the local religion. These days the state thinks its worth making at least a minimal effort to try and improve the quality of parenting. After all the rest of us are going to be stuck with the results of parents mistakes for the next few decades at least.

There are plenty of programs aimed at women. If you support equality you can hardly object to some being aimed at men.

[–]youlleatitandlikeit 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, as a dad I get a little sick of reading articles about doing something fun with/for your kids that automatically make the assumption that the readers are all mothers. Plus as a dad I need all the advice and support I can get. Seems like this website is also focused more on being an involved and nurturing parent, while most of the focus traditionally was just offering financial support.

[–]Funcuz 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The diapers go on the head, right ?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

That website is condescending to fathers. My interpretation: You're a dad? You need to start being a responsible parent, asshole. You need to start spending time with your child, asshole. BE INVOLVED IN YOUR CHILD'S LIFE, ASSHOLE.

[–]sloman1999 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They've been attacking fatherhood and basically paying women to raise children without a father for generations now. What did they expect the outcome of that to be?

[–]Doctor0000 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

We have three billboards up in my city "take time to be a dad today" with cartoons and shit.

Hey .gov, you know what would have really helped me be a good dad? If I custody hadn't automatically gone to his mom at divorce

[–]TheDude41 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

a

[–]Leinadro 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Seriously is this an April Fools joke?

[–]escaped_reddit 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

mostly just black men.

[–]chocolatencheez -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Up next on "let's look for things to bitch about"...Programs aimed at young disadvantaged men to help them become better fathers and members of society.

Believe it or not, there are plenty of men who are ex-cons, teenagers, drug addicts, etc. who may not be ready for fatherhood, never wanted fatherhood, were too irresponsible to avoid fatherhood, probably didn't have a father themselves, yet find themselves in a position where they have a child to take care of (probably with an equally irresponsible/unready mother).

Notice how this program focuses on them being not only responsible fathers, but members of society as well. How the hell could anyone get upset at this?

Jesus fucking Christ guys, get your heads out of your asses.

[–]roharareddit 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Up next on "let's look for things to bitch about"...Programs aimed at young disadvantaged men to help them become better fathers and members of society.

I'll tell you what to bitch about, the lack of programs for women, who have godlike control over their reproduction, to take responsibility for their own unilateral choices, not only to become parents, but whom are able to force someone else into parenthood.

Instead we have programs that actively enable them to make disastrous choices when it comes to having children and making men, who have no reproductive rights, responsible for the woman's choices.

A short list of programs here:

child support

welfare

Food stamps

WIC

Aid for Women and Dependent Children

Where are the choices, and the help, financial or otherwise, for men who DO NOT HAVE THE SAME POWER OVER THEIR REPRODUCTION AS WOMEN?

Believe it or not, there are plenty of men who are ex-cons, teenagers, drug addicts, etc. who may not be ready for fatherhood, never wanted fatherhood, were too irresponsible to avoid fatherhood,

Um...you mean didn't have the same ability as women to avoid fatherhood.

probably didn't have a father themselves,

And who's fault was that? Most likely their mom's.

yet find themselves in a position where they have a child to take care of (probably with an equally irresponsible/unready mother).

Um...find themselves? You mean are forced into a position by an even more irresponsible individual who, somehow, has godlike control over this guy's future simply because she decided to have unprotected sex with him and give birth.

Notice how this program focuses on them being not only responsible fathers, but members of society as well. How the hell could anyone get upset at this?

Notice how this program doesn't focus on women being responsible mothers or actually taking responsibility for their own reproduction, which they have full, 100% control over.

The reason that things are so messed up is because of the differential of reproductive rights and responsibilities between men and women. That is what we need to address before we talk about only responsibilities for only one sex and every right for the other sex.

Get your head out of your own ass please and don't come here thinking that you can school people. You can't

[–]Diesel-66 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men qualify for the same welfare programs if they have custody. (Wic is for pregnant women)

[–]chocolatencheez 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Jesus, dude. I don't even know where to begin. I was talking about a program that focuses on helping men become better fathers and more responsible members of society.

THIS IS A GOOD THING

You're making this out like its a program that is forced on all men because everyone thinks that men are incapable of being responsible parents.

That is not the case at all. Seriously...take 5 seconds to read the website. Its a fucking awesome program that has probably helped make a shiitload of lives just a little bit more positive.

However, you're not alone in wishing a similar program existed for women. Here is a site that has a petition to get a motherhood.gov so that women can have similar support in becoming better mothers.

Maybe you can donate to their page? Then mothers can also have the advantage of such a program, as it seems to really bother you that they don't.

As for the rest of your post, its pretty disjointed and more of a rant, so I wont bother to really answer it as my tinfoil hat is at the cleaners, and I was only talking about his particular website/program, and not "everything that is wrong with the world is due to men not being able to have an abortion"

This sub is becoming a caricature of itself more and more every day. We are now fighting programs that HELP men.

Ill say it again.

Jesus fucking Christ.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here is a site that has a petition to get a motherhood.gov so that women can have similar support in becoming better mothers.

With all due respect, you understand why the male version was made first and the female version needs women to petition to get it, right? The base assumptions around who needs the help most are pretty clear.

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