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BBC tricked me. This article about the challenges of being a man is actually just about ‘toxic masculinity’. No mention of fear of false accusation or misandry. Sources of material were replying to Caitlin Moran.

BaronBilgewater

October 20, 2018
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-45908983
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Title BBC tricked me. This article about the challenges of being a man is actually just about ‘toxic masculinity’. No mention of fear of false accusation or misandry. Sources of material were replying to Caitlin Moran.
Author

BaronBilgewater

Upvotes 115
Comments 36
Date October 20, 2018 6:55 AM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9ps006/bbc_tricked_me_this_article_about_the_challenges/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/bbc-tricked-me-this-article-about-the-challenges.1184311
https://theredarchive.com/post/1184311
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Comments

[–]jackcos 28 points29 points30 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Expected: homelessness, suicide, losing custody of kids, inconsistent prison sentencing, prostate cancer rates booming, male disposability

Actuality: "I feel a bit awkward when a guy checks out a girl. Men are pigs"

This article was labelled as 'Life as a man isn’t always easy either' ffs. People will read this and be terribly miseducated. Ugh.

[–]ThEGr33kXII 34 points35 points36 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I saw this and came to see if it was here.

It was all bout how men suffer because they don't see themselves as normal men and that's somehow toxic. Seems to be that the majority of these "toxic issues" are down to not having friends with common interests.

Horribly toxic article ironically.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

And of course the article is written by a woman!

There is talk in the UK of making hatred of woman a “hate crime”. And they are looking at making hatred of men a “hate crime” also. Bring both on I say — because I think it will help men more than woman: The phrase “toxic masculinity” it clearly hateful, just in the same way that “toxic Jewishness” is or “toxic homosexuality”.

[–]890989 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If misandry becomes a hate crime feminists are in serious, serious trouble. Their entire ideology is a hate crime. Some feminists are self-aware enough to realize this and are condemning the proposal (while still insisting that misogyny become a hate crime -- never expect logic or consistency from a feminist).

[–]ArchVileRespawned 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You and /u/Consilio_et_Animis are both naive if you think misandry is going to be policed as hard as misogyny just because both are considered hate crimes.

[–]890989 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That wasn't the claim. The claim was that misandry is much more common than misogyny -- it appears literally every day in mainstream newspapers, is taught every day in schools etc.; indeed it is institutionalized. Police have to investigate hate crimes when a complaint is made. Therefore feminists would come under direct threat, legal precedents would have to be set etc. It would certainly make for some interesting debates, because most "misogyny" is just a figment of the feminist imagination. It would also force feminists to deal with fundamentalist religion, which is arguably misogynistic in some respects (and misandric in others).

Don't get me wrong, I don't support hate crime/speech laws.

[–]ArchVileRespawned 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That wasn't the claim.

It was implied. The other poster said "Bring both on I say — because I think it will help men more than woman" which implies that misandry would be taken seriously. You are claiming that feminists will be in serious trouble because of their rabid misandry.

The claim was that misandry is much more common than misogyny

I agree.

it appears literally every day in mainstream newspapers, is taught every day in schools etc.; indeed it is institutionalized

Yes, I know. That's exactly why it would continue to be tolerated even if made illegal by the letter of the law.

Therefore feminists would come under direct threat, legal precedents would have to be set etc.

No, they really wouldn't. The police, judges, and other people within the legal system would most likely have been educated by the misandrist education system you just talked about above. They will carry the misandry with them when they enforce and interpret highly subjective claims of misandry and misogyny. Thus, the result would inevitably be misandrist. The tl;dr of this is that you can't expect misandrist institutions to police misandry fairly.

Don't get me wrong, I don't support hate crime/speech laws.

Indeed, they are quite bad.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You and /u/Consilio_et_Animis are both naive if you think misandry is going to be policed as hard as misogyny just because both are considered hate crimes.

Not an unfair point; yet history is replete with the courts making decisions that go-against the flow, and stick to the law. Judges can get a kick out of that, as it enables them to wield their power.

Plus, people are starting to launch private prosecutions (in the UK) against false rape accusers and male genital mutilation. If it's going to be hard for the Crown to prosecute hate crimes against women, if they allow #killallmen to go unpunished.

But bring it on and let's see I say!

[–]ArchVileRespawned 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you are excessively optimistic. The most likely outcome of making misogyny and misandry hate crimes is men being subjected to anarcho-tyranny. In other words, we're going to have to walk on egg shells to ensure we don't get accused of misogyny, but the feminists will be free to mostly carry on being misandrist.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting, but not persuasive, as the lawyers say. There are plenty of good judges who believe in true equality, it’s not a hopeless cause. And you one only need one or two cases to go in our favour, and things would start to shift.

[–]_pulsar 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It would only help more men than women if they enforced the law equally, but we know that will not happen.

[–]5th_Law_of_Robotics 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men: we face a number of specific problems we'd like to address with direct policy changes.

Feminists: yes toxic masculinity is terrible.

Men: what? No I mean like there are laws that discriminate against men that we'd like to change. You guys gave us many of them.

Feminists: indeed toxic masculinity harms men, but of course women are the primary victims.

Men: are you even listening?

Feminists: toxic masculinity!

[–]Lethn 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This isn't even a joke, this is how they respond for real :(

[–]ArchVileRespawned 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not bad behavior on the part of "bad apples" within feminism, which is usually the damage control you get out of them. Their ideology is designed to produce exactly that sentiment. They believe that male dominance hierarchy is the cause of all gender problems.

[–]oafsalot 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Men must act like women to be accepted by women. Women are incapable of accepting that being a man is as valid as being a women.

[–]FuckYouNaziModRetard 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

pretty sure if men acted like women they'd be even less accepting

[–]oafsalot 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

But coming from women, that makes emotional sense. It's not logical, women primary care is not for what happens, but for how they feel about it. Men care what happens, and don't care how they feel about it, that's why men made civilisation and practically everything in it.

[–]DoBeTrippin 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Now you are dipping into actual misogyny. Feminists are not a representation of women as a whole.

[–]oafsalot 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who said anything about feminists.

[–]Sasha_ 25 points26 points27 points 7 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Well, Caitlin Moran's the feminist mother-of-two girls, who wrote about having an abortion when she discovered she was expecting a son, so I suppose that counts as a bit of a 'downside' of being male - being killed before you're actually born.

[–]DoBeTrippin 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is kind of funny because if they actually had enough pull to shift the gender ratios that way and make men a minority, it would cause men to become a privileged class. You can start to see it on Universities where the gender ratio is like 6 women to 4 men and the women there are all competing for the affections of those men.

[–]Source_or_gtfo 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Caitlin Moranis the feminist who had an abortion when she discovered she was expecting a son

Do you have a source for that? Can't find it on google...

[–]Sasha_ 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I had this debate with another user. She tells the story in her best-selling autobiography 'How To Be a Woman'. I seem to be the only sceptic/MRA who's bothered to read it. Well that's not quite true - Peter Lloyd's a fan of it (he wrote 'Stand By Your Manhood') and when I spoke to him about it he nodded, said it was still a very funny book (which is true). That was a couple of years after publication, so not much to write about it.

Anyway, you'd be very brave to write this about a rich multi-millionaire columnist.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can find the book on Amazon, and then search the whole book by clicking "look inside" and using the search box on the LHS. I did this, and searched for "abortion"; but I can't see it saying she did it because she did not want a baby boy.

[–]incelchad 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He never lived so that doesnt count

[–]shit-zen-giggles 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

BBC tricked me.

why am I not surprised...

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[–]TheLoneWolf9896 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

The fact that a company like that gets a tax specifically for them is ridiculous.

[–]ArchVileRespawned 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm surprised people are still falling it for it.

[–]Danphil90 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Feminist BBC twisting things to force feminism on people reading the article

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[–]Consilio_et_Animis 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

”Alan is completing a Masters in human services to become a counsellor”

Translation: He’s swallowed the feminist Kool-Aid and been taught to hate himself and his masculinity.

[–]NoChickswithDicks 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Never trust the BBC. They just hate men over there.

[–]DoBeTrippin 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The BBC used to be good but some time ago they got into the game of pumping out shitty think peices and click bate to farm page views.

[–]thrway_1000 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Toxic masculinity" is just hate speech.

Archive -- https://archive.is/rQFOU

[–]nonrequested -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

if you said the truth, tricked is a little bit euphemistic.

Unfortunately if the journalist didn't damage your public image there is the little to be done at this stage. Next time, before granting interviews, check quick on google what types of "press reports" publish the journalist. GL

[–]BaronBilgewater11 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Tricked into a click, my dude. I wasn’t in the article. But you’re right and it’s good advice for people who do talk to the press.

[–]nonrequested 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

ahh, lol i I thought that is one of them in the interview and I hoped that wasn't the guy who made this statement:

"I think the #Metoo movement has opened up communications between genders"

shame on me.

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