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Biden Administration Expected to Reverse DeVos’s Title IX Regulations, Legal Experts Say

PeonSupreme

January 20, 2021
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https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2021/1/20/experts-on-title-ix-under-biden/
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Title Biden Administration Expected to Reverse DeVos’s Title IX Regulations, Legal Experts Say
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PeonSupreme

Upvotes 136
Comments 58
Date January 20, 2021 4:28 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/l1cjos/biden_administration_expected_to_reverse_devoss/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/biden-administration-expected-to-reverse-devoss.835689
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Comments

[–]lastlaugh100 113 points114 points115 points 5 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link

A woman can falsely accuse a man of sexual assault and he's instantly banned from campus and classes, destroying his career and life. And she can do it anonymously with zero punishment for making a false accusation. He doesn't know who is making the accusation, he can't question the alleged victim and he has to pay for his own legal defense to fight these false accusations. The lawyer cannot be present during the University trial.

Makes my blood fucking boil. Bad breakups happen all the time and false accusations from a scorned woman are a real and unpredictable threat.

Feminists will say don't date women that make false accusations like it's something we can easily avoid.

[–]im_trying_ok11 21 points22 points23 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like walking through a minefield

[–]Allanlemos 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Seriously, how is the guy supposed to defend himself if he doesn't know who is accusing him? Is it true that his lawyer can't be present during the trial? Is that how things work in the US? Please, tell you are exaggerating.

[–]lastlaugh100 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"numerous lawsuits have successfully exposed schools railroading accused parties by denying their right to present a defense before an impartial decision maker"

https://spinella-law.com/pg/blog/July-2018.php

https://www.thefire.org/campus-kangaroo-courts-under-fire-lawsuit-highlights-due-process-violations/

[–]Allanlemos 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Damn, it's worse than I thought.

[–]TheNerdWonder 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is why feminism is one of the biggest threats in our society next to white supremacy.

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Good way to get men out of the universities.

(I am a man)

[–]SnarkyUsernamed 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

But then men would go to other universities that would, by processed elimination, be mostly male. Then the men in power "will only hire and promote from those mostly male institutions", thereby perpetuating the current patriarchal system.

I mean, if you got to pick your space station engineer from 2 candidates, one with a degree from Evergreen and the other from MIT, who makes the short list?

It will all be the fault of men though, somehow, and those institutions will need to be opened up to female enrollement, cuz equality, but with special 'co-ed tailored' rules, for equality. 3 steps later we circle back around again on the carousel of ridiculous identity politics.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Let me know when they ask to inhabite islands. I'd like to reserve a spot before the rush.

[–]MGTOWayoflife 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men should boycott it. It can just be women getting gender degrees that attend.

[–]wrekd 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm way past college age, so it's easy to say this, but I wish men would mass unroll from mixed colleges over this and head to men's only schools. But there are very few in general and especially very few secular ones.

[–]MGTOWayoflife 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tara Reade accused Biden of sexual assault. He claims he is innocent. It's hypocritical from Biden to make this ruling.

[–]paxweasley 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s just not at all how it works, lawyers are allowed, he can give questions through the person running it he just can’t harass his victim right there, you obviously know nothing about this

So misogynistic

[–]RANDOMWARRIORR 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

BRO THAT’S CRAZY! IM NEW HERE BUT THINGS IN THE USA ARE FUCKED UP. IT WOULD SUCK TO LUVE THERE

[+]NotherThrowaway28461 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (21 children) | Copy Link

I've said it before, but I'll say it again: the day this goes to the Supreme Court is the day the whole thing irretrievably explodes. They will lose everything and the decision will be at least 7-2.

 

The sooner the better.

[–]Terraneaux 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Yup. On the positive side, ending DeVos's policies will help low income and minority boys, who are particularly hard-up by the education system.

[–]__pulsar 17 points18 points19 points 5 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

On the positive side, ending DeVos's policies will help low income and minority boys, who are particularly hard-up by the education system.

How so?

[–]Terraneaux 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Charter schools and private schools are used to lock them out of the quality of education that they deserve. DeVos was a big proponent of this movement. She also supported a very predatory model of student loans, which disproportionately affects men/boys because female students have more scholarship money available to them.

[–]faze_not_phase_123 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No, those types of schools do not do that. Source?

[–]PortlandWilliam -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What bit are you trying to refute? Charter schools are an awful idea for a number of reasons.

[–]MisterDamage 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Go on...

[+]Terraneaux -14 points-13 points-12 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah they do. That's the whole point. If I'm wrong I'm sure you're going to have loads of sources of charter schools not doing what I describe... but I'll be waiting a long time.

[–]MBV-09-C 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not going to take sides on this one, but you do know that the person asserting a claim is the one with the burden of proof, right? You can't stick the other person with onus if you're the one making the claim.

[+]Terraneaux -9 points-8 points-7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean it's just not worth it to explain how charter schools work and impart school demographics to someone who's probably a fan of them specifically because they produce unequal outcomes in education.

[–]__pulsar 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

That's just not correct man. We need more school choice, not less.

[–]Terraneaux 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

How do you do that without putting low-income, minority, and struggling boys in educational ghettos?

[–]__pulsar 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There's no perfect solution, but one example is how Trump wanted to give government funds directly to the students (their parents) rather than the schools, so the parents could decide which school to send their kids to.

But limiting choice just because it isn't perfect for everyone is not the solution.

Public teachers unions are against charter schools for selfish reasons. They say it's to protect the kids, but really it's to protect their control over the education system in their area. More competition means they have to work harder and be better to attract students.

[–]Terraneaux -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

There's no perfect solution, but one example is how Trump wanted to give government funds directly to the students (their parents) rather than the schools, so the parents could decide which school to send their kids to.

That doesn't work, though, because the charter/private schools will deny students who are high-effort.

Public teachers unions are against charter schools for selfish reasons. They say it's to protect the kids, but really it's to protect their control over the education system in their area. More competition means they have to work harder and be better to attract students.

No, that's not what it's about, and it's disingenuous of you to say so. The parents in question don't want their kids to have to share a school with racial minorities, kids with learning disabilities, lower-income students, etc.

[–]__pulsar 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You clearly don't understand what a chapter school is...

[–]Terraneaux 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm very aware of them. There's one in my home town, it did exactly what I described.

[+]DirtyPartyMan2 points 5 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

You meant “hard-hit” yes?

[–]Terraneaux 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hard-up means "impoverished" which I am using metaphorically in this case.

[–]pkuriakose 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I really think you have too much faith in the SCOTUS.

[–]TheNerdWonder 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it ended with the absolute abolition of Title IX or a ruling that leaves it nearly unenforceable I'll be fine with it. I'd rather the Title IX office at my school be an overly restricted, useless, and lame duck thing with no power other than saying "SEXUAL ASSAULT BAD!"

[–]Upper-Organization35 29 points30 points31 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

My parents have always given me flack for not going to get a Master's degree, but with how hostile colleges have become for men I really have no reason to go back. A bachelor is enough for most jobs anyway.

[–]PeonSupreme[S] 18 points19 points20 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I would still try for an advanced degree. Just be really careful out in the real world. Even if you’re not MGTOW I think their principles are really helpful.

[–]elebrin 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just do the courses through remote learning as much as possible, and don't interact with the other students/professors outside of what's absolutely required. They don't need to know anything at all about your personal life.

[–]Mycroft033 23 points24 points25 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Man I heard “Reverse” and “Title IX” and thought “oooh maybe some of the progress we made towards biased systems will be undone”

Cursed optimism.

“In the end, that's on Betsy DeVos for handing down these regulations in the middle of a pandemic — these regulations that narrowed down what even counts as an instance of harassment or discrimination that further interrogate survivors and their experiences,” Borreggine said

“Survivors” as if accusers get that title before proving they actually went through what they said they did. No thoughts here for the accused, or the good old “innocent until proven guilty”.

[–]PeonSupreme[S] 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And here I thought the right was reactionary

[–]Mycroft033 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve never thought “x party is reactionary”, because the truth is “extremists are reactionary”. Doesn’t matter if they’re from the left, right, front, back, up, whatever.

Being reactionary is a human trait when the narrative becomes more important than truth. Doesn’t matter what narrative it is.

[–]paxweasley -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Title?? You think it’s some sort of honor to be a survivor of rape, a title?? This comment is so misogynistic. The system is biased HEAVILY against survivors of rape. Colleges basically need written confessions to get someone kicked out, I would know. And by the way, men are disbelieved when coming forward about a rape as much as women are so check yourself.

False accusations are so rare and yet, it’s always the survivor judged guilty until proven innocent, as opposed to going into it with an unbiased view.

The things said to me when I, successfully by the way, reported my rape were HEINOUS and the way I was treated was unconscionable.

[–]Sith_Lord_Of_The_USA 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Obama Dear colleague letter violates the due process clauses in the 5th and 14th amendments of the constitution

[–]PeonSupreme[S] 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, they did an end run around the Constitution. The ends justify the means for them.

[–]trash62 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The more I look at colleges and academia, the more I realize it's a cruel hoax.

Why would an institution designed to help you get a career in a field of your choice charge such exorbitant amounts in tuition and actually train you to be unemployable?

Who in their right mind would want to hire someone with a degree in success via victimhood? Such a person would likely join your organization, determine who to sue for maximal profit and do what they were trained to do.

Well, if you didn't actually want them to land a job, if you wanted, let's say... your Chinese college (as in CCP, not nationality of Asian) students or whoever to be the preferred choice AND you wanted to change the balance sheet so the US government wasn't holding all the outstanding debt (in terms of the fed...) while completely poisioning the current fortune 500 corporations who hire these people so you can defeat them...

Then you might have a good reason to train students to be unemployable victims so they never get good jobs, never pay off their student loans and in perpetual victimhood, can be made to believe the solution is more debt, for more "education" in a system the globalist media would have you believe is legit.

I think it's a scam, and Biden knows it.

[–]bakedpotato486 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

That's why he wants to "cancel" student debt up to $50,000 per student. In this case, "cancel" being throwing tax-payers dollars directly at those colleges maleducating our future workforce.

Oh, that and Biden is the one responsible for Title IX "adopting grievance procedures providing for prompt and equitable resolution of student and employee sex discrimination complaints."

[–]trash62 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Cancel interest payments. I guarantee you he will not cancel any substantial student debt. What he will do is change the words around and blame the republicans for why he can't.

He (actually the economy itself) requires the debt. If the United States were to hold 50% or more of the outstanding debt, it is game over. This isn't Biden's fault, it's just the way it is.

[–]TheNerdWonder 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's why it's dumb to get on Biden for it, regardless of if you support him or not. This is an issue that's been around since long before his presidency. You can't blame any single individual for it.

[–]trash62 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can if he campaigns in college campuses urging students to take on more debt.

[–]Ody_ssey 28 points29 points30 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Male voters have signed up their younger generation for the failure. Fathers and mothers with sons will see how much damage lack of due process will cause to their son to the point that his life ambitions will change from overachieving to just survival.

[+]Odd_Truth153118 points 5 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh boy, one of the few good things Trump did and Biden already wants to overturn it.

[–]MBV-09-C 11 points12 points13 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, of course. We live in an age where morality and public image are too fused to allow for independent thought. If all anyone ever says is "orange man bad" you stop actually looking at what things he did were good vs bad and just assume everything he ever did was bad. It must be, right? The news tells us so!

I hate that the public just never seems to think for itself, they just assign a label to something and pretend everything is black and white.

[–]ShortTailBoa 37 points38 points39 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Our ancestors are going to look at the way we treated men over the last five years the way we look at the way our ancestors treated the native americans.

There's going to be time in the future where we're considered monsters for our constant inaction.

It's like watching the jews get on the train and being helpless to stop it.

[–]paxweasley 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck is wrong with you

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And then they're going to allow historical accusations to be "re-ajudicated". Only because I don't think they have the double jeopardy rule at universities. 😂

[–]bakedpotato486 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Of fucking course they would, Biden penned the "Dear Colleague" letter himself!

https://outline.com/UrxcUE

https://archive.is/9xJeI

[–]ZimbaZumba 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The article's headline is misleading. Reversing these regulations would be a monumental task. This was pointed out deep down in the article.

[–]Ody_ssey 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Biden will pass an executive order which may not overturn new rules but it will assure that universities will not be penalised for terminating accused without his due process. His executive order will also make sure that the accused loses in court battle against the university. University can simply say that "they are following laws".

[–]Lon3Wo1f-117 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

On the bright side, I'll get to tell low information Biden voters," I told you so!"

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