Combat Zone Vs. Combat Arms Explained (or why it's not sexist to exclude women from combat arms)

Zeddikus · 2013-05-13T17:59:08+00:00

Been in the military since 1995. I want all positions to allow both genders. Equality at the top must also have equality at the bottom. For that, we need female foot soldiers.

Aiwendil28 · 2013-05-13T17:21:33+00:00

No no no no no. A former feminist coworker very frequently and loudly explained to me that men and women are physically equal and that it's horribly sexist to assume that women can't do anything a man can do. I tried discussing sexual dimorphism with her, but apparently that's "a bunch of bullshit". So clearly this article has it all wrong.

letspostnow · 2013-05-13T22:00:10+00:00

skimmed but i think the gist was women have lower expectations therefore, aren't as fit?

Answer is to hold women to the same requirements as men despite what perceived or actual biological differences there are.

Soltheron · 2013-05-13T22:38:11+00:00

It is long past due for women to accept the responsibilities that come with equal rights. If women make up half the population, they should make up half the military.

seenloitering · 2013-05-14T05:32:11+00:00

A lot of people here seem very confused about this article. This short summary may help:

If training standards for women are inadequate for particular jobs, then those women should not be posted at those particular jobs. This does not meet any reasonable definition of sexism.

It's that simple. Note the use of "if". "If" there are two standards. This assumes that there are two standards, which there are, and this fact is vitally important because people are claiming that women are already in the army in such a way that ignores this fact. Changing that fact, sure, offers interesting alternatives, but the point of the article is a response to arguments which themselves assume this fact.

(btw: good article, completely sound)

Collective82 · 2013-05-13T19:01:45+00:00

I'm in a military school right now. I have 54 soldiers 5 female. Now all of us are weekend warriors but only 1 of those 5 can pass their standards let alone the males. They are to soft both mentally and physically to deal with what I dealt with when In Iraq. Even if they weren't in combat arms. They cause way to much disruption and risk to many careers for misinterpreted chatting. One poor kid almost got sent home for appearin "to friendly" when chatting with her even though he had zero intentions with her. I did 9 years active duty before going reserves and I can tell you your lucky if you can have a 1 in 5 ratio of good female soldiers. Also that ones a cop. Tell me again why I should put my life in their hands?

VideoLinkBot · 2013-05-15T00:03:43+00:00

Here is a list of video links collected from comments that redditors have made in response to this submission:

Source Comment	Score	Video Link
fakejournalist1	6	Woman soldier shoots a tourist during training.
fakejournalist1	6	Female Chinese Soldier Hand Grenade Training FAIL AiirSource
fakejournalist1	6	Female Soldier Has Hard Time Shooting
fakejournalist1	2	First American Prisoners of War Iraq 2003, German TV
gunchart	1	Army Fails Compilation
fakejournalist1	0	Army Chick vs Shotgun, Hilarity Ensues

fakejournalist1 · 2013-05-13T16:15:25+00:00

One time in the Army, we were doing an all around defence, basically where you cover every fire position and sit there and wait for something to happen. In the middle of that all we hear is loud vibrating of a phone going off. It was one of the unit clerks (who of course was a young woman), instead of ignoring the call and apologizing profusely for giving away our position, she answers the call and gets into a long-ish fight with her boyfriend back in Toronto.

Eventually one of the Sgt's grabbed her cellphone and hung it up. She started going hysterical. It was on that day I decided women don't belong in Combat arms. Having her fuck up my pay sheets everytime she processed them was more than enough power for her.

Title	Combat Zone Vs. Combat Arms Explained (or why it's not sexist to exclude women from combat arms)
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Date	May 13, 2013 4:05 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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