Do Any Of These Exist?

OldGuyWithAttitude · 2024-08-10T08:54:56+00:00

Patriarchy used to be the common family structure, still common among some religious groups.

Gender Pay Gap is real but it's caused by women not men.

Otherwise nope, not a one.

EDIT: Oh, and it's feminism targeting a number of female biological traits with very succesful propaganda that has spread this stuff. Most feminists aren't misandrists they're just brain washed "useful idiots".

ElisaSKy · 2024-08-10T13:35:56+00:00

Patriarchy

Considering the so-called patriarchy, as defined by feminists, is a system where males have most of the power (while women are more than 50% of the electorate) and use it to benefit men (see male privlege), well... No.

Rape Culture

Find how many articles you can see discussing 30+ years old female teachers "having an affair" with their underage students, which, in any sane society, would be statutory rape. The rape OF MEN is surprisingly condoned and excused. Of course, they'll claim it's the rape of women (y'know, the one that'll lead men to the electric chair or vigilante executions or a life sentence) which is supposedly "tolerated". So yeah, "right idea, wrong person".

Female Oppression

Laws, both in the book and in their application, are much more favourable to women than they are to men. I'll mark it as a "no" then.

Systemic misogyny

Which system? The school system, which considers young girls to be the standard young boys should emulate? The legal system, which is much more eager to lock up or kill men than women? The medical system, which gives a lot more female specific funding than the 0 male specific funding?

Male Privilege

Find me a single law that gives men either a legal right that women don't have, or exempts men from legal consequences women would be hit full force with. I can name you several (say, rape laws. It's only rape to force someone into sex if you're a man, women are exempt) that do the opposite.

Gender Pay Gap

If women really were paid 77% of what men were paid for the exact same job, one of these evil capitalist greedy fatcats CEOs I keep hearing about would have figured out they could make a shitload of profits by firing the men and hiring women instead by now. Yet it hasn't happened. Huh.

Systemic violence against women

Which system? The legal system, which when it doesn't specifically exempt women from prison or the death sentence (by exempting them of being called "rapists" when they force men into having sex with them), just so happens to pronounce much fewer death sentences and much lesser prison sentences? I think you're smart enough to figure out the rest.

Glass Ceilings

Considering that even employers for prestigious positions have a documented bias towards women, to the point the only reason gender blinded evaluations haven't really taken off yet for the reason that every test run results in a drop of female hiring... Yeah, no.

mrkpxx · 2024-08-10T09:32:55+00:00

Yes, all

Patriarchy: Slavery of men
Rape culture: Daydreams of some women
Oppression of women: Hypoagency
Systemic misogyny: From women to women
Male privilege: Dying
Gender wage gap: Plantation labor for housewife privilege
Systemic violence against women: Lesbian violence is highest among couples
Glass ceilings: Most women have other interests

poolman40 · 2024-08-10T12:56:52+00:00

Lies perpetuated by big vagina

NotJeromeStuart · 2024-08-10T15:46:30+00:00

No. When you consider the fact that behind every successful man is a powerful woman, their entire argument breaks down. Before they ever started complaining about these things, they already admitted that they were complicit in the villainy of history. They Pride themselves on being able to control and manipulate men to do things that they want them to do but then also claim that they can't control men. It doesn't make logical sense and I think we all know it's not true.

Rude_Willingness8912 · 2024-08-10T09:30:54+00:00

patriarchy is very real, but nothing llke feminism describes it as, it’s lead by man, which by necessity men are the enforcement arm of society so it needs to be a patriarchy.

gender pay gap is bullshit, uncontrolled is like 83c and the controlled pay gap is 99c basically they just don’t want to say it’s 100c.

both sexes are oppressed.

systemic violence is just played by the media, men are dying by crime more the women, and in domestic violence cases 50% is reciprocal DV anyway.

both sexes have privileges.

pantheonofpolyphony · 2024-08-10T09:31:55+00:00

No.

Feminists don’t want equality, they want revenge and these words are their weapons.

Infamous_Impact2898 · 2024-08-10T16:08:29+00:00

Brain washed “useful idiots “ seems to be the theme. I see it everywhere and it’s truly sad. Then I come to this sub and feel depressed about men as a whole 🥲

Throning · 2024-08-10T16:35:15+00:00

Patriarchy

Not in the ways Feminism likes to claim it is. Women have virtually all the same (if not heightened) opportunities as men, and plenty of programs to enforce DEI to get women into certain positions they wouldn't be able to get were it explicitly based on merit/a meritocracy.

Rape Culture

Again not the way Feminism likes to claim it is. If we really were in a rape culture, we wouldn't have laws that make it illegal, and would celebrate proven rapists. We don't, and we often throw the book at convicted rapists, whether they actually did it or not. Kangaroo courts at universities & colleges are not compelling proof that any such rape culture exists.

Female Oppression

In a historical sense, yes, they didn't always have the right to vote or open a bank account under their name alone. In modern times, hardly, or at least oppression that doesn't come from themselves.

Systemic misogyny

Lump it in with female oppression, answer is yes it may have existed in the past, but it's so few & so little cases of it now that it's a boogeyman.

Male Privilege

Like the rest of it, it may have existed, and depends on what kind of aspects men could be considered privileged. Is it really a privilege to get sent to war preferentially? Is it a privilege to get circumcised and no one bats an eye? Is it a privilege to receive lower grades and lack opportunity for scholarships because they are male and their teachers/education system promotes women above men?

Gender Pay Gap

Again, it exists, but not the way Feminism likes to claim it exists.

Men tend to choose higher paying jobs, work longer hours, and perform better/more competitively in their work. By contrast women tend to choose easier/lower paying jobs, work fewer hours, and do bare minimum of job duties. It's not "paid less because female", it's "paid less because they chose a shitty retail job, only work 20-30 hours a week, and will only do the minimum expected of them at work." Not that there aren't exceptions to the generalization here, but Feminism tried to compare part-time hotel cleaning ladies to 60hr/wk male brain surgeons.

Systemic violence against women

Systemic would assume that somehow, courts, law, or social attitude tolerates or permits it. Which isn't the case, as with rape culture, we have laws about domestic violence (even if they are shitty and based on the duluth model), and virtually every company has some employee handbook outlining how harassment is bad.

Glass Ceilings

Considering there's DEI programs to get women & minorities in positions they rarely have the merit or experience to get without those programs, and no, there aren't really glass ceilings.

One of the things about some work culture here is that women tend to ask for raises or promotions less; they tend to be less confrontational/more agreeable. With all the assistance from DEI programs, the only reason any glass ceilings exist now is because women themselves choose not to get that promotion, for whatever reason (maybe they don't want the workload, maybe they don't want the stress or responsibility, etc). Contrasted with how many men would accept the challenge; or may be confrontational about their career if they can get more income/profit out of it, accepting more hours, workload, stress, and/or responsibility.

omfgsrin · 2024-08-10T09:47:04+00:00

There is no such thing as a patriarchy, everyone is oppressed. There isn't a gender pay gap, but there is an oppression of the working class. There isn't systemic violence against women exclusively, but there is systemic violence against people who have to suffer the wars and machinations of the rich while they sit in relative safety untouched by the horrors of the world. There is no sex war. There is only a class war. And until we realise who the real enemy is, we're just going to go around in circles bickering amongst ourselves while the rich f-ckers laugh at our idiocy. Everyone but the rich f-cks lose, and the rich f-cks make sure everyone thinks that their enemies are everything else except the rich-ass motherf-ckers.

sanitaryinspector · 2024-08-10T11:17:45+00:00

If rape culture is punishing women only with coerced sex, we can't be sure it exists if we're just starting to uncover rape against men both in peace and in war time.

It was "always" used by male soldiers because women were never drafted and, even if they were, they'd still be excused as we still struggle to blame them for sexual assault today.

bluduhmfcku · 2024-08-10T14:16:00+00:00

Ať least in western civilisation nowadays, no

BossOf_Bosses · 2024-08-10T18:01:37+00:00

The Western world is quasi-matriarchy

Jaffacakes-and-Jesus · 2024-08-10T18:30:05+00:00

Patriarchy - a society in which men and women relate as oppressor and oppressed classes. This describes no society ever.

Rape culture - people can be ignorant and insensitive about rape, and our institutions are often under equipped to deal with it. Idk if "rape culture" is a good description of that problem.

Female oppression - there are contexts in which women are oppressed by authoritarian institutions or cultural norms. In these contexts men are also typically oppressed and women are also part of the oppressive system and most oppression is based on power not gender.

Systemic misogyny - same as above. The Islamic regime in Iran oppresses women as women (enforced veilling etc) men as men (conscription) and men and women as citizens (crack downs on protests). Systematic misogyny and systematic misandry coexist and feed off each other.

Male privilege - men do have advantages in specific contexts our lives are not primarily characterised by privilege on the basis of sex.

Gender pay gap - largely due to different roles men and women take in families and not male privilege. Though some of it is due to labour injustices presenting as gender injustices (ie care workers are underpaid, most care workers are women).

Systematic violence against women - this does happen (war rape) but rarely unaccompanied by systemic violence against men (war rape) and systemic violence by women (war rape).

Glass ceilings - there probably is some discrimination that stops women from gaining promotions and the whole "sacrifice your career for your family" thing is real. However, it should be understood in the context of men also dominating the glass cellar (bin mem etc).

The problem with feminism isn't that it recognises that women have problems that require systemic and cultural change it's that it fails to recognise that men have similar problems and that they should be understood in the context of each other. We shouldn't make the same mistake and commit ourselves to denying women's serious systemic issues.

Bro_with_passport · 2024-08-10T20:10:39+00:00

Assuming you’re talking about the US, it’s a “no” for everything besides the pay gap. Women are paid less than men in an aggregate total; there are some that claim it be be evidence of discrimination, it’s not.

ThePiachu · 2024-08-10T12:42:05+00:00

In US and the western culture, not so much. In some other countries like Iran yes you do see a lot of these...

gaut80 · 2024-08-10T14:49:21+00:00

In some countries, definitely yes. In North America and Western Europe? No. Maybe we should send some of our best women's rights activists to those countries (I would fund a one-way ticket... sorry, can't pay for the return)

Low-Dog-8027 · 2024-08-10T14:24:39+00:00

short answer: no
long answer: nooooooooooooooooooo

i mean patriarchy did, but not anymore.

Literally_a_Dogskull · 2024-08-10T13:54:55+00:00

Men never have their rights and welfare taken into account and there's so many neglected and unaddressed issues affecting them that continue to go ignored or trivialized.

Men and women have different issues. Simply because one gender also has issues, doesn't mean the prior genders issues don't exist or deserve attention.

Title	Do Any Of These Exist?
Author	DarkBehindTheStars
Upvotes	58
Comments	65
Date	August 10, 2024 8:40 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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