Google Fires Engineer Who Wrote Memo Questioning Women in Tech

bosh-head · 2017-08-08T04:55:27+00:00

The full memo, complete with charts and links is available here:

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf

One of the diagrams which shows how populations overlap with traits is really essential. People seem to have a hard time grasping this, but when you're talking about things that are, on average, more true of women than of men, you're also talking about a lot of men that have those traits. It's just that more women do. And vice-versa.

This should not be controversial at all and it's quite depressing that it is.

And this is definitely an MRA issue because as he points out, Google has a program, available only to women, to teach them how to speak up (be assertive), ask for raises, etc...

The real irony here is that by having such a program be available only to women, Google is the one being sexist. They are saying that all women, and only women, need such a program.

The memo author represents the anti-sexist position... which is that people should be treated as individuals and not as tribes (as he specifically says).

Ultramegasaurus · 2017-08-08T04:28:10+00:00

I knew he was going to be fired. It was only a matter of time.

dungone · 2017-08-08T04:40:46+00:00

I think this company might have really screwed itself over. Some of the management emails that were leaked on this website sound like they might turn out to be a lawyer's wet dream: http://voxday.blogspot.nl/2017/08/suppressing-dissent-at-google.html

Bestoftherest222 · 2017-08-08T06:47:41+00:00

The more i think about this the more I realize this dude set google up like a champ. I can promise you he will be suing. He knew google and its sjw's would lose there shit and made a rash move. Bear with me. SJW's think anything they do under the guise of "equality" makes an action legal.

FFS the fact google labled this dude firing as "perpetuating gender stereotypes" just shows how far down the rabbit hole google has gone. He was perpetuating gender stereotypes by saying google shouldn't lower standards just for women or people of certain ideals to work while men have to hold up a higher standard at the same position.

I think he has a case, its going to take work but he probably has enough cards in his hand to make it. After all a man as smart as him has properly been working to this event and stacking files to make his case for the last few years.

perplexedm · 2017-08-08T08:48:00+00:00

Gozmodo, vice, etc. removed the citations and graphics, so those who want full details should check the original memo.

btw, Author's tldr;

My larger point is that we have an intolerance for ideas and evidence that don’t fit a certain ideology. I’m also not saying that we should restrict people to certain gender roles; I’m advocating for quite the opposite: treat people as individuals, not as just another member of their group (tribalism)

Imnotmrabut · 2017-08-08T11:01:58+00:00

As a woman who’s worked in academia and within STEM, I didn’t find the memo offensive or sexist in the least. I found it to be a well thought out document, asking for greater tolerance for differences in opinion, and treating people as individuals instead of based on group membership.
Debra W Soh is a Toronto based science writer who has a PhD in sexual neuroscience from the University of York. The Google Memo: Four Scientists Respond

moteeye · 2017-08-08T04:04:05+00:00

lol he's not a straight white male. What to do? commences singing Blame Patriarchyyyyy, blame patriarchyyyyy.

Leader2reality · 2017-08-08T12:46:49+00:00

A lot of damage was done by this firing. I for one, am disgusted.

sayshey · 2017-08-08T12:50:02+00:00

He identifies as a classic liberal. The left is pushing everyone to the right because they have lost their minds.

pjay321 · 2017-08-08T04:15:27+00:00

When is the execution, and the trial after?

Sasha_ · 2017-08-08T05:37:18+00:00

"Four legs good, two legs better!"

StopStartPause · 2017-08-08T06:23:49+00:00

I know I shouldn't be astounded but I am.

I'm not sure what action I can take. I'd like to dump all Google products and services now. But in practice, my company has years worth of emails on Google Apps and a lot of the services we provide are bound up with Google services.

How can we make an impact on them so that it at least causes them some embarrassment and hits their brand?

SideTraKd · 2017-08-08T09:40:37+00:00

WTF... That headline...

What total bullshit.

DarkCircle · 2017-08-08T16:00:39+00:00

It didn't question women in tech. It questions google's policies towards women in tech. Big difference.

thrway_1000 · 2017-08-08T04:55:38+00:00

http://archive.is/jENW2

theothermod · 2017-08-08T15:17:09+00:00

Sorry, but I have removed this because it has been posted already.

Please check the front page and at least two pages of the "New" section before posting to avoid duplicates.

Title	Google Fires Engineer Who Wrote Memo Questioning Women in Tech
Author	dungone
Upvotes	223
Comments	56
Date	August 8, 2017 3:52 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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