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[–]Downtown_Wrongdoer32[S] 233 points234 points235 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I am frightened about the consequences of going to the police. What if she actually makes false accusations against me to the police. I just fear that any such action by me will trigger her and her family to do so. I heard police gives women preference over men. Or it could just be the fear that has been dwelled into me by these threats.
[–]24cce57a 147 points148 points149 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I don't care what the police say. You need to create a trail of evidence that you can use later on. Don't worry about what happens right now, make sure you have evidence to support yourself in the future. That is the most important thing to do.
[–]PikAchUTKE 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
First one that reports it usually wins as I here.
[–]CrowMagpie 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
First one that reports it usually wins, as I hear.
Way I hear it, it's usually the woman who wins.
[–]Ytagrol728 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Document everything. Assume they will go through everything and every decvice you own. And report it. The blackmail will never stop and you will never be free. Record all convos. Try to get proof of the threatened false allegations first and bring it all to whatever authority you need to.
[–]Bufflegs69 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Try to get in contact with a mens lawyer. The best you have heard of. Record what they say using a sound recorder and a spy camera. Get in contact with a friend who can help you. (The more the better). Anyone, a school friend, a friend from work.
[–]mistralol[🍰] 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What if she actually makes false accusations against me to the police.
You need a paper trail / evidence with the police. Then when she does this you spring the whole lot on her with the police.
[–]Alarming_Jicama2979 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Do police care about lying, perjury? It’s a Civil case, they say…,
[–]mistralol[🍰] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Which police?
If you have police which don't. Leave the country is the other option. Where I am we have an additional police for the police which have independant oversight. It also works as well because they can do what they want to the police.
[–]Alarming_Jicama2979 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Follow the Science, study civil Law, know how to Object, motion & Subpoena. Know the Rules for Evidence. Keep a Journal. Find a mental Health Counselor& be honest… If you can save your marriage/relationship you will fare better without a Lawyer… they are crooked & uncaring, mostly. They support the Cause not the Law… IMO
[–]Bisexual-Tree-Nymph 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Record all you phone calls with her, record conversations with her. Make sure you have evidence or you might be overlooked and yes, it's likely that they'll take her side if she accuses you of something.
[–]Living-Reference5329 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I went to the police, they interviewed her then arrested charged and convicted me. Gather as much evidence as you can
[–]nonononooonope 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get a lawyer. Or at least talk to one and ask them for help. Reddit can only do so much.
[–]Downtown_Wrongdoer32[S] 190 points191 points192 points 4 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
I’m forced to live in a relationship. My wife and her family continuously humiliates me, say demeaning things and even threatens me with going to the police with false accusations against me. Once my wife and I had an argument in a moving car and she opened the car door and deliberately started repeatedly screaming “help- he is hitting me” when infact we were having an argument on which I just mentioned that “I can’t live in this relationship anymore due to how she treats me”. I feel helpless as can’t be in this torturous relationship. I am based in Australia. Everytime I discuss about ending the marriage I get constant threats. I have even been accused of sleeping with my mother.
[–]24cce57a 133 points134 points135 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Call the police every single time it happens and make a report. You need a paper trail.
[–]Downtown_Wrongdoer32[S] 77 points78 points79 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Thanks. I thought about that but its just the fear of the consequences thay stops me from doing it. Please see the other comment. I accidentally replied to my own discussion thread instead of replying to your comment.
[–]CrowMagpie 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There are stories around of men being arrested (in one case, shot and killed) because they called the police on their female abusers. u/24cce57a, I'm sure you meant well, but u/Downtown_Wrongdoer32 would probably be endangering himself by doing so.
OTOH, those stories are from the US, and u/Downtown_Wrongdoer32 is from Australia. Maybe he'd be safe...r?
[–]24cce57a 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess it depends on the jurisdiction. Where I am at, having a paper trail with the police department goes a long way in court proceedings.
[–]coming2grips 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Make a trail, record the fights and accusations. Abuse doesn't need to be physical DON'T CALL THE POLICE......yet.
THEN TAKE EVIDENCE TO THE COPS OR LEGAL AID. Get an AVO.l against the partner, their family and friends. The name varies but you know what it means. Remember, you only need evidence of threats and your emotional distress. Usually this is granted without court appearance, pending a court date. This means it covers you until a judge makes a decision
MOST AUSSIE GUYS HALF ARSE THIS SHIT and in doing so, they lose. * plan carefully * tread lightly * do things with conviction * work through this to completion
It might take 6 months or more but you can do this. You are not alone
[–]DaBigManAKANoone 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you should have your phone recording your voices during the further incidents to act as proof in case she actually does go through with it.
[–]atactic87 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Find a way to secretly record her... Worked somewhat for Johnny Depp
[–]Starship_Captain01 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When she's not home, why not just get all your shit and leave? Do you guys have a house? I'd stop paying on it, leave... separate. Don't tell her where you're going. I would get a new life elsewhere. You are going to have your life destroyed if you stay there longer.
[–]kaeioo 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Why 'forced'? What are the obstacles for just disappearing with no trace (for example)?
(It's a honest question. I'm not implying anything}
[–]Bisexual-Tree-Nymph 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
He shouldn't have to dissappear without a trace to get out of an abusive relationship. If they're married then they probably share friends, certain family members, possibly finances etc. To dissappear he'd have to leave all that stuff behind and start over.
[–]kaeioo -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I didn't say he should... You're reading something I did not write.
[–]Bisexual-Tree-Nymph 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I didn't say you did say that... I'm just giving reasons why it might be difficult for him to just dissappear.
[–]kaeioo 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok. But the aim of my question is to understand better his situation to give more precise and adequate advice. Your conjectures are not useful because it's just an hypothesis. I need facts to work. (No offense intended)
[–]phenomdark27 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
start recording, audio, video, anything you can as an evidence
try some app like this - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.weixikeji.secretshoot.google&hl=en\_IN&gl=US
[–]Snek1775 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Contact a lawyer
[–]Alarming_Mountain950 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Flee the country
Stop arguing…. Write it down & separate. Her bed. Your bed. Isolation but respectful communication will help!!! No screaming, no lying… no theft! Do you pray? Do you love ?
[–]Sugstar123 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Try filming an incident in the near future, use it as proof in the court
[–]Snek1775 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You need hidden cameras, many many hidden cameras.
[–]maskednil -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If that's the case then actually become the abuser she accuses you to be and beat the shit out of her lol.
Ok, on a more serious side you need to install hidden cameras in your home. You need to start recording each time she starts a tantrum and make backups of your recording. Be physical as a self defense only like pushing her away. I also suggest a little victim acting like how your terrified of her and stuff. Go lock yourself up in a room and call the cops always. Document each threat and lies they make about you. Start your own FB propaganda about your mental health and abuse at her and her family's hand. Should gain you some supporters.
There is no love in this marriage. Don't be a wimp and stay in it.
[–]coming2grips 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm an Aussie; PM me
[–]RedditMadeMeReddit 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Record every time this happens. Don't call the police. Call a lawyer and make sure they keep the paper trail.
[–]18Apollo18 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You could try to get a recording of her saying anything like that so you have hard evidence?
[–]kaeioo 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've never been through this but this was my first idea after reading the post.
Physically getting outside (and far) of the situation is the first most important thing to do. This should give you a safe space feeling that will let you think more clear since you're not permanently in a fight or flight mode.
Secondly, record, tape, film everything.
Third, get professional help. Psychologist and lawyer.
[–]AirSailer 56 points57 points58 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
In reference to what another poster stated... You need evidence.
For Audio: Put a recording app on your phone running 24/7 and keep it on you (in your hand since in a pocket causes extra noise but a counter/table is best) everywhere you go. Set it up to save to a cloud storage app so it automatically uploads when you stop the recording. Every night at the exact same time stop the recording (the file name should be timestamped with the date and time) and start a new one. Keep a spreadsheet in the cloud named "Incidents" with the following columns:
Date
Time
Type
Duration
Threats
People involved
Location
Long Description
File name (of the audio recording)
Use this spreadsheet to keep track of your arguments and where they are in the recordings.
Make sure your phone is secure, set the screen timeout to 10 seconds and change the code to something only you know. Make sure your cloud storage account is also secure and there's no way she can get access.
Lastly, post this to r/Divorce_Men
[–]Downtown_Wrongdoer32[S] 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Thanks 🙏. I really appreciate your advice. What app lets you record 24/7?
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've used my iPhones Voice Memos App to record therapy sessions. I placed it with the microphone to the top of the pocket I sit it in, in my daypack that goes wherever I am. It does a good job and picks up a lot of things but of course it would be better sitting in the open on a table. But non the less it does the job. I tested it once with it in my pocket just recording. The big thing is, experiment. I would suggest you do not mention it to anyone about using it. Top Secret.
Do you normally have your smart phone sitting on the dinner table or somewhere near you at 'all times/most times'? if you do and you wish to record, then start it recording as soon as you hear the person you want to record, coming in the room.
Make sure you have it on lock mode so it cannot easily be found out...
From what I read and lots of good advice on here... you cannot just leave, so start preparing your self with recordings, and 'being sneaky'... Try to relax, be cool if you can and get yourself all set up doing all this... Catch the monkey slowly... carry on as normal when in their presence and when you can.. go into plotting to leave/escape mode...
I've never had to do this but I'm a suspicious person by nature. I've found it most helpful recording sometimes.. I get nervous and then hear myself and the other person.. therapist and realised some of my own mistakes... so it is a learning situation that is for sure...
Someone suggested keeping texts etc., Plus backups, and screen dumps from smartphone/laptop/computer.. save them somewhere... save them in emails sent to your extra/spare/secret email address that you have/will create... and of course your details are to be hidden. I have two https://protonmail.com accounts and use them mainly on my MacBook but had the app on my iPhone.
I don't need to push you but totally agree, get a lawyer ASAP and get moving NOW! As someone said, it could be that the person who goes to the police first is the one that will win... The longer you leave it, the more the person, she, can say anything like: see - he didn't leave, he didn't complain, so why now and what is wrong... he has abused me... why didn't he report me earlier...
[–]kaeioo 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The default sound recorder of your smartphone should do the trick. Just remember to launch it regularly.
[–]AirSailer 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
On Android I used HiQ
[–]ksaarthak 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
First of all-
Consult A lawyer, you may have to do it secretly because of your wife being very critical of your movements.
I would also say, as others have said, you need to have proof to back you up, for women their word can be a powerful tool but for men, we need a bus-load of proof to back us up. Get proof, record stuff, check if recording conversations is allowed in your country or not, you can definitely take screenshots of your chats.
Although in a situation, like the car one, as you mentioned, the recording of your conversation may not convince others but atleast the law will.
You need to remember- if you have a lot of proof, you will always be backed up by others, the police/the law will have to listen to you. Proof is the key to this all. So, again, gather proof.
I really really hope that you are able to get out of this toxic family and be happy.
Again, a reminder- get proof.
[–]king_with_a_k 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Start saving texts and phone calls and make records of these threats
[–]Badral0929 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fuck australia. Seems like fucked up place despite having nice weather. I have once saw article 21yo women stabbed man in australia and got no charges.
[–]xmx900 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The us is not much better.
[–]dynamic_rum 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Screenshot the text messages and save them onto cloud and external hard drive. Perhaps, record your conversations with your phone, you’ll be able to more evidence! Ignore those thought about whether the police gives preference to women, if you have substantial evidence to back up your claim, I strongly feel the police will not ignore this. Best of luck OP!
[–]Downtown_Wrongdoer32[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Its only the conversations I can record ad most of it is verbal. I do already have a few convos but most are after the majority of the stuff is already said- but does have some substance.
[–]dynamic_rum 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Maybe you could add a dashcam into your car? One that focuses on the road and another that focuses on the driver + passengers? You could continue recording conversations, as you’re doing now. Since you mentioned you’re in Australia, I’m not too familiar with the laws of recording and filming another individual without their consent. However, I think it should be legal since your intentions are malicious, rather you are planning using it as evidence.
[–]Downtown_Wrongdoer32[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When We bought the car that we primarily use, I discussed about having a dashcam due to the fact it is a new car and if there is an incident we’ll be able to capture. But at the time she accused me that I want to spy on her and that’s the reason I wanted to have a dashcam. And we didn’t ended up having one. She even accuses me that I’m doubting her if I try to call her more than once for someone urgent!
[–]dynamic_rum 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Definitely sounds unsettling that she’s your wife yet she’s worried you’re spying on her…like I get that people don’t like it when cameras are recording them(personal reasons, self-conscious, awkward, there’s a plethora of reasons). I’d try quick to end this before it drags on even further.
I’m certain she must be aware of how she is treating you, if she’s that worried about the dash cam. It seems very unbalanced in this marriage. I think your best bet is to stay resilient, get substantial evidence to support and file your claim, bring it to the police/court if need be.
[–]okfornothing 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you live near this man, go and help him. He needs on the ground help.
[–]Rexanvil 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get out now go to a shelter It gets better ive been there
[–]rubberchickenlips 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hidden clock cam
Hidden charger cam
Automobile dash cam
Hidden spy cam pen
All sorts of devices available to cover your ass. Available from sources other than Amazon too.
[–]Oka_m1 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
We often say this, but it still holds : talk to a lawyer.
[–]MegaTheDevil 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Out of all these comments the best options are contacting a lawyer and recording her talking
[–]Adm8792 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Boy ain’t no way just leave
[–]RicoSour 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Start subtly recording and build a case, it will count as evidence if your state is a 1 party consent state. It will hold up in court. Also call police, and make it a known problem and file reports if possible. Take pictures of any abuse and damaged property with receipts. Lawyer up and Good luck
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sorry, I’m not sure if I posted this yet, or not. It might have some useful information and it also has links!
Women Narcissists and Their Male Victims
[–]International_Risk82 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Simple really.
Step 1: set your phone on recording
Step 2: gather her and her family up
Step 3: trigger them. Open up the topic of you wanting to leave this toxic relationship and goad them into spilling their threats.
Step 4: pretend to be defeated and end the discussion with accepting their terms.
Step 5: take said recording to the cops, notifying them of possible incoming false charges against you and file a restraining order against her, and her family.
Step 6: dump her and ghost both her, and her entire family. Don't allow any chances or openings of future interactions.
Step 7: if necessary, use the legal leverage mentioned in step 5.
Step 8: sit back and relax.
[–]GrinningPizza 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Even with all the evidence in the world the court would take the woman’s side
[–]International_Risk82 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They might, but would you rather try or suffer through humiliation and psychological torture the rest of your life?
[–]Andrew_stack23 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
a tip would be to have a recorded verbal consent so if she try's to false accuse you have a consent out of her
[–]MegaTheDevil 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
God, please, i hope this is not as worse of an case as u/jasoninhell
[–]xmx900 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What happened with that person?
[–]MegaTheDevil 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Horrible things, you can search his ussrname on YouTube for more information, but i don't recommend it, i think we need to be supportive to OP and be in a good mood, like, think straight
[–]MegaTheDevil 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
!subscribeme
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Damnit this bot doesnt work
[–]Naotin73 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whatever you’re going to do, do it as soon as soon as soon as possible
[–]Smuggred 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
oh well.
[–]Downtown_Wrongdoer32[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks everyone. That definitely gave me some courage. And the reason that I can’t just pack my bags and walk away is because my mother stays with us. She is 77. She has contributed a fair bit towards the house(financially and undertakes daily chores). I can go live with a friend but concerned about her safety. Btw- she has been verbally abused at times too.
So basically I always get demoralised and insulted for the things that I do and the things I don’t do on a daily basis. e.g. I get ganged upon when she is with her family and they try to humiliate me. She has turned my friends away from me by telling them that how I have made her life hell by standing up for myself at times. Since I work from home due to COVID ( my employer is relaxed and no one at my workplace has retuned back to work) and she hows to work, she tells around everyone that I don’t do anything and sit at home all the time. Despite me working full time. She expect ma me to do all the work as she thinks I have no work from 9-5. I have already separated my bank accounts. She use to threat me that she’ll transfer all the funds and that I will be left with nothing. I used that as an excuse to separate bank accounts. One of our couple friends- the female had an AVO against the male. So she uses that as an example to threat me and mentions to me that”don’t you remember what happened with that guy”
[–]PikAchUTKE -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get a hidden camera and record it if you can.
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