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How SJWs destroy everything. They destroyed r/atheism with their misandry and strive to destroy more subs.

Ferociouslmbecile

January 3, 2016

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Title	How SJWs destroy everything. They destroyed r/atheism with their misandry and strive to destroy more subs.
Author	Ferociouslmbecile
Upvotes	115
Comments	75
Date	January 3, 2016 3:31 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3za50n/how_sjws_destroy_everything_they_destroyed/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/how-sjws-destroy-everything-they-destroyed.964015 https://theredarchive.com/post/964015

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[–]LockNuts 28 points29 points30 points 10 years ago* (25 children) | Copy Link

[–]JakeDC 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]LockNuts 13 points14 points15 points 10 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]NoobSailboat444 -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Ferociouslmbecile[S] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[+]JakeDC -10 points-9 points-8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I was quiet serious above. It was always a bunch of whining, useless twats.

This is name calling, not a justification.

Add in it's own constant sense of self-superiority combined with a crushing inferiority complex and you're left with a giant, idiot jerk off.

This is more of the same.

I suppose we can argue if this atheism+ nonsense made it worse or just differently pathetic.

More of the same. And, as a matter of fact, atheism+ folks get little traction on the sub.

My thought is that it was largely filled with young people who've newly broken away from religion.

Lots of people think this - with little or no basis for thinking so.

When you've been an atheist for 30+ years and have all that well out of your system, it is a pretty obnoxious thing to be around.

So, 30+ years in, you are no longer concerned about the harms caused by religion?

TL; DR - Your original comments was nothing more than nonsubstanive name calling. I asked you to support your comment. Your "support" was just more nonsubstanive name calling.

[–]viiScorp 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Ferociouslmbecile[S] -5 points-4 points-3 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

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[+]TheAngledian 10 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

Serious note, is there actually a genuine place to discuss theism/atheism on reddit? Somewhere that's detached from the vitriol and superiority that's present in /r/atheism?

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[+]TheAngledian 10 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Awesome, cheers for that. I'll go check both of them out.

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[–]Tedesche 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I disagree. I think a lot of people here get a bit muddled about the difference between anti-feminism and misogyny. There are plenty of blanket statements here made about feminists, but I've seen plenty of blanket statements about women buried within those comments too. Thankfully, the misogynistic stuff doesn't tend to get too heavily upvoted, but it still exists, doesn't get downvoted nearly as much as it should, and that gives outsiders all the confirmation they need to go on believing all the crap written about the MRM in the mainstream media. Similarly, the crap parts of /r/atheism fuel the perception that atheists are just angry, grumpy, antitheist heathens.

Every group has its radicals, who take things too far and damage the reputation of their peers and pervert the direction of their cause. It's happened in just about every political movement I can think of, and that's not about me and my point of view—that's just history. Feminists often evince the attitude that feminism is above these pitfalls and can somehow police itself, even though no other human organization has successfully done this for any length of time. The New Atheists think the same thing, and I have little doubt many within the MRM have the same bias about this movement. We are not incorruptible, are already corrupted in many respects, and yet we will continue to function, despite all that. It's not ideal, not how we all wish this stuff worked, but that's how human politics functions, and it's the best we've got.

Look, I'm not saying /r/atheism doesn't deserve criticism; I'm just pointing out that this particular criticism is true for just about every political faction that has ever existed. Furthermore, as much as I hate the SJW brand of activism, it is not the driving force behind the bigotry you can find on /r/atheism, just as it's not the driving force behind that in feminism—the bigotry existed long before SJWism was a thing. If anything, SJWs are an extension/product of bigotry, a new expression of it in a new generation. SJWs are really just hyper-liberals, and as such, they're drawn to causes associated with the liberal side of out binary political system. That includes atheism and feminism.

MRAs that want to play into this pigeon-holing of our movement and men's rights in general are doing all men a grave disservice. There are liberal MRAs and we need a coalition that crosses political lines to succeed (as did the feminists of yesteryear). When I see posts like this that are really about inter-faction grievances/differences, rather than men's rights proper, I worry we're getting lost in the bickering. Plenty of MRAs are conservative and hold conservative views on other topics that liberal MRAs probably won't agree with, but if we let those differences on other topics divide us, we won't be able to effectively make progress on the topic we do see eye-to-eye on (men's rights).

[–]Arakin 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Tedesche 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Accusations of bias/prejudice can easily go both ways, making them no argument at all. You don't see it, because you don't want to see it.

Look, I've made the point that misogyny exists here several times, and people always ask for proof, but when you show it to them, it just leads to arguments about the extent and particulars of the definition of misogyny, etc, etc, etc. As such, I don't have any illusions about persuading you on this, but since it's possible it's just a misunderstanding, I'll try to elaborate. Like feminism, the MRM attracts both people who are genuinely fighting for men as well as (unfortunately) those who are just angry at women. They're both good causes, but they're also both very susceptible to mob anger. Feminism neglected this fact for far too long, and look what's happened to it. It's naïve to think that can't happen to the MRM, or that the same corruptive influence isn't already present. In fact, when you think about it, we're all potential corruptive influences. Most of us are probably fairly reasonable people who—like feminists maintain of themselves—just want men and women to be treated equally, but we all lose our cool from time to time. I've had feminist friends who have said atrocious things I would never have expected them to say—and which they later recanted—while riled up by someone else's comment. I'm not saying this sub is overrun with misogynist pigs; I'm saying you see a fair amount of misogyny on here. Just as you see a fair amount of misandry on feminist subs, and a fair amount of antitheist bigotry on r/atheism. It's a natural phenomenon. We all just need to stop pretending our shit don't stink.

[–]Arakin 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oooh, you do really want to talk, eh? Okay, let's.

Of course misogyny exists on this sub. Know why? Cause we don't ban people at the drop of a hat like /r/feminism does. Because it takes a lot for us to silence someone or ban them, because we encourage discussion on this forum rather than simply circle jerking our own beliefs over and over.

We consistently distance ourselves from TheRedPill, and don't really associate ourselves with men going their own way, but sometimes there's a cross over from the latter.

You can find countless examples throughout threads of people warning away from broad generalizations, from behavior similar to Feminists, cautioning the swinging of the pendulum too far back against Feminism, and absolutely no call to action for doxxing or public humiliation or scare tactics against Feminists or bloggers or youtubers etc. You will find none of that here.

You're trying to act like we believe 100% of the posts on this sub are polite and level headed and PC. They're not. They can't be. That's impossible. This isn't a totalitarian sub. We do our best to maintain a civil discourse, and you will even see Feminists posting here being treated with respect, and sometimes coming over to the MRM cause. I'd love for you to find some of that over at /r/feminism.

For you to say there's a 'fair amount' is just an exaggeration you're using to stir up some shit, because you obviously like to argue. There's not a fair amount of it here. You also haven't defined misogyny. If you think there's a fair amount of generalization here -- that could be true. We generalize about Feminists a lot, because most of the time it's true. We generalize about certain aspects of women, like what happens during divorce cases for instance, what might happen with you paying alimony, but that's hardly misogyny. You won't find any support behind posts calling all women whores or gold diggers or liars and cheaters. You won't find anyone upvoting purely hateful sexist generalizations. You won't find any tolerance for that shit here, and on the rare occasion it slips under our radar, it's a small circle jerk of a couple people who have no support from the main group of posters here.

So anyway, that's all I have to say. You really have no point other than "nuh, uh you are too!" with some broad, vague idea of what you're talking about. So that's it from me. Chow.

[–]Tedesche 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

[–]Arakin -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]ABunchofTards 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]Tedesche 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Tell me, do you run into female-dominated conversations and police their opinions of men?

I did before 2X banned me for it. :-P

Call bullshit all you want, you clearly haven't checked my comment history. I am no White Knight, but I do call out bullshit when I see it, even when it's coming from my own team, because I think that ultimately hurts our cause. There is certainly a ton of misandry in society, but there is plenty of misogyny too—it's a myth that it's dead, a myth far too popular with MRAs. It's not that women don't still face forms of discrimination and prejudice; it's that men do too, and it's high time our society adopted a balanced approach, rather than focusing solely on women's issues and concerns. The only problem I have with feminists is in the extent to which they impede this process—I have no problem with feminists fighting only for women, so long as they refrain from fighting against men.

But just because feminism has plenty of bad behavior to critique doesn't mean the MRM is sinless. There is plenty of valid criticism for us too, and as a contrarian, I feel compelled to point it out when I see it. Much is said here about how feminists confuse disagreement with attack, but I've seen plenty of MRAs (e.g. you, here) make the same mistake.

[–]ABunchofTards 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sorry that I didn't comment stalk you. But I'm still not going to give your thoughts much weight.

I am responsible for what I do. I am somewhat responsible for the things I inspire others to do. I am not at all responsible for the things people I do not know, but who share some small aspect of my being, do. That isn't mine to own. I am not responsible for the behavior of men. I am not responsible for the behavior of MRAs. And everyone acts badly sometimes -- they have to be given room to act badly, because to do so is to be human. There is a version of us in our own heads, and there is a version of us in the heads of those who interact with us. And this latter version is always closer to the truth, because none of us is who we'd like to think we are.

It appears as if you're just looking for flaws. And you will of course find them. But everyone and everything has flaws.

[–]Tedesche 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]ABunchofTards 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Example 1: minorly misogynistic, mostly due to an overly broad generalization. Though this is fairly common venting among both genders -- OMG, how can they be so self-centered and clueless! It's part of the human condition to only see this flaw in others without accepting that we possess it ourselves.

Example 2: not misogyny. It's an opinion that you consider chauvanistic, but it comports well enough with observed cultural behavior. This man did not, after all, create the maxim 'Happy Wife, Happy Life'. Society did that. And plenty of women endorse this view of things.

Example 3: not remotely misogynistic. Arguing that women should not receive subsidies that men do not is not misogynistic in any understanding of the word. Women do use more medical services, and it was right that they got charged more for insurance because of this. And men are charged more for some services. This appears to be about accepting reality, not about sticking it to women.

This 'list' is a joke for the most part. One comment with fairly typicaly, not terribly hateful venting. Oh, and several other people you've called 'misogynistic' for having a different view of marriage or different political views regarding the welfare state. Typical liberal attacking political enemies by calling them bigots, that's all I see here.

[–]Tedesche 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Example 1 is just about as clear an example of a misogynistic statement as you can get, and you're minimizing/dismissing it in your description.

Example 2 includes generalizations about both men and women, which is definably sexist. That the poster didn't come up with those views on his/her own is irrelevant; the views themselves are prejudiced.

Example 3 is less solid, I'll concede, and could certainly merely reflect a conservative view of tax laws.

Still, I could list many more I've seen, but I have no interest in going back and forth with anyone over them. People are very divided on this sub about whether or not there is misogyny present here, and debates so frequently devolve into meaningless quibbles about particular examples, while no one's mind really changes in the end. I think it's patently obvious misogynistic things are said here, and that it's to be expected as well, for reasons I already went through. You disagree. Fine. You think I'm closed-minded, and I think you're closed-minded. I don't see much point in you and I discussing this further.

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[–]Ferociouslmbecile[S] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]girlwriteswhat 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If you were to go back and read the Declaration of Sentiments from the mental position that men did not create a system (patriarchy) designed to privilege themselves at the expense of women's subjugation and oppression, you'd find that perhaps feminism hasn't "devolved" into a hate ideology, but has always been one.

You have to go into that reading believing its assertions about men and patriarchy in order to not see it as a hate document.

Or, conversely, you could replace "Man" with "the Jew" and "Woman" with "Aryans" and see how it reads.

Then go and look at some of the shit second wavers had to say about men. This was the moment in history that feminists commandeered rape and domestic violence issues to provide substantive supporting evidence of male patriarchal privilege and female subjugation and oppression.

Some of the lovely theories coming out of the second wave about male/female relations:

marriage is an institution designed by men specifically to enslave women. As such, no equality or liberation of women can occur without the wholesale destruction of marriage and the nuclear family
domestic violence is a function of normative masculinity supported by the culture. It's just "what men do" within a patriarchal society, to perpetuate the political and economic subjugation of women through the use of intimate terrorism.
rape is neither pathological nor the act of an individual, but nothing less than a concerted campaign by all men to keep all women in a state of fear. Second wavers like McKinnon and Brownmiller even went so far as to claim that human oppression did not exist in any form until men discovered they could use their penises as weapons to subjugate women. From men's successful oppression of women, all other forms of oppression sprung--that is, the oppression of women was the the primary model by which men learned oppression, and from which they constructed racism, slavery, religious persecution, war, etc.

The hate's always been there.

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I've said it before and ill say it again:

The reason feminists try and peddle their bullshit to these groups is that they are heavily populated by outcast insecure self hating nerds.

feminism has no value or sale in anything populated by "normal/cool high value people" such as extreme sports or high end fashion etc.

every avenue which has a user base of low status "weak" males will have this problem, comicbooks, videogames, atheism etc

Just look at the protein powder of "are you beach body ready" the feminists nutters tried their "outrage" but the fitness world is generally filled with healthy positive good looking attractive/successful people so they laughed in their face and openly celebrated their "offence".

the cancer of feminism only exists in the dark corners of low value insecure outcasts

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[–]Wargame4life -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

lol, maybe if you were more intelligent you would understand capitalisation has no impact on ambiguity on Reddit and hence you are merely pressing extra key strokes for convention sake, like some kind of moron.

It's been fun, but I have to get back to the job I can't possibly have

yeah those burgers aren't going to cook themselves. technically it might be a job, but it sure as fuck isnt considered one in my world.

Edit:> Right, cause I'm a weak low status male, obviously

lol browsing your history your ex wife (cant imagine why she would leave you lol) is bigger than you, lol

yeah you sound like a real champion of a man a real legend, just like all those other winners who date women significantly bigger than them lol.

you sound and act like a little wiesel of a man, you have my pity (and disgust)

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Well, we don't live in isolation, an individual's stance on the quesion of god(s) and religion be it pro or con is something that naturally has an impact on the way they relate between each other within society.

The sub states in it's welcome message that: "All topics related to atheism, agnosticism and secular living are welcome".

For an example of such a topic, take a teenager that doesn't believes yet his parents are the sort of religious people that try and force their children follow their religion. That teenager can start a thread in that sub asking for feedback on how to talk about his nonbelief with his parents and people who have gone through the same experience may be able to help.

Another example, many atheists are also former Christians and as it is with most religions, Christianity provides you with a framework and answers for your outlook and moral stance on many things (think abortion, same sex marriage, the death penalty, etc). Stepping out of that, an atheist may find the need to revisit their stance on many of those things and tackle them from a different angle. The sub can have discussions between atheists about these things.

Then there are things related to secular living like the separation of church and state, which is quite a broad subject with plenty of ramificaitons. They also discuss these things on that sub.

In short, there are things for atheists to discuss that do not amount to hating on theism or religious bashing.

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