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Is it time to punish false accusers?

TheAndredal

October 19, 2018
251 upvotes
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https://thehill.com/opinion/civil-rights/411905-is-it-time-to-punish-deliberate-false-accusers?rnd=1539805668&fbclid=IwAR1zPAQ36cOChNAxgMEsE455yy7_b0GJ7d2h_Ko8oQ9clGBfHROjdKMMpYY
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Title Is it time to punish false accusers?
Author

TheAndredal

Upvotes 251
Comments 30
Date October 19, 2018 3:11 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/9pkpgd/is_it_time_to_punish_false_accusers/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/is-it-time-to-punish-false-accusers.891586
https://theredarchive.com/post/891586
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[–]auMatech 49 points50 points51 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Should deliberately false reports of sexual assault be subject to the same legal penalties as false reports of other felonies?

Yes. Yes they should.

Right now, accusers who lie about sexual abuse are criminally liable for filing a false report and perjury, as well as civil sanctions for defamation, but legal consequences rarely occur.

Whod've thought that not enforcing consequences for actions could lead to people perpetrating such actions more frequently?

[–]Zoquento 18 points19 points20 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes.

Next question.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was a while ago.

[–]mcg42ray 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

First thing: stop referring to people as "victims" and start referring to them as "accusers".

[–]quazkapeck 7 points8 points9 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but this is tricky ground. The accuser must be proven beyond a doubt to have lied or falsified information with intent to harm. It can not be a "failed to convict" is an automatic reverse conviction. I would argue in needs to be a whole separate trial. I'm still not entirely clear how this would work in my head. My biggest fear would be convicting an actual rape victim and how to ensure that can't happen.

[–]Pz5 14 points15 points16 points 7 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Should be no more trickier than firing or convicting someone of sexual assault.

[–]quazkapeck -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

You would think. Just a few crafty lawyers could create a state where real victims are unwilling to come forward for fear of imprisonment.

Edit: Dont just downvote me. Tell me why my thought process is wrong. I'm not over here white knighting. I'm just looking for discussion.

[–]NibblyPig 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They can and do that already.

We need to bring about a change in society that stops people playing victim. If something bad happens to you, yes it's difficult to report, but be an adult and, go and do it. Or don't, and then nothing will come over it.

And we should have a limit to reporting so it doesn't surface 20 years later to destroy someone's life with no real evidence or investigation possible.

[–]quazkapeck 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with both your points. Saying there should be a limit on sexual assault reporting will get you lambasted most anywhere, but its fucking true. Shit only seems to come up when theres a motive behind it.

This whole victim society that's arisen these past 10 years or so is getting out of control.

[–]Ted8367 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Tell me why my thought process is wrong

Your assumption that the legal process returns a truth value is wrong. As in

I would argue in needs to be a whole separate trial.

Of course there needs to be a whole separate trial. It's quite possible, I would think likely, that both accused and accuser are found not guilty.

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[–]quazkapeck 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What makes you think I assume? I'm well aware the legal system doesn't always return the truth. My lawyer example states that.

Don't get me wrong I agree false accusers should be punished severely. Guess I'm just hung up on the idea of a rape victim being locked up because a lawyer managed to twist the facts and evidence.

[–]Ted8367 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What makes you think I assume?

You wrote

I would argue in needs to be a whole separate trial.

implying the assumption that finding an accused not guilty is equal to finding the accuser guilty. It isn't.

[–]quazkapeck 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A miss wording on my part. Of course it's not equal. We seem to be disagreeing about agreeing.

[–]shadowfalcon76 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't understand why that would be what is hanging you up, when the exact same thing is happening to innocent men now. Their lives are being just as destroyed because of the false allegations. It's the very reason why this conversation is even happening right now, because innocent people are being victimized because of "he said, she said" and tossed in jail over it.

[–]quazkapeck 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your right, really there needs to be a statute of limitations. This reporting 20 years later needs to stop. There needs to be evidence. Victims need to report immediately or not at all. This he said she said louder bullshit needs to stop.

[–]NickSuccorso 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. The real issue is with prosecution who brings it to trial.

[–]Varsel 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The time is long overdue, and the fact that false accusers have basically been given a 'free pass' to use this tactic as their own personal weapon, is proof positive of just how one-sided the law has become, and how corrupted its principle of equality under the law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equality_before_the_law) is now.

[–]bigkyrososa 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"i think we should give it some more time." - no one ever

[–]Bigbossman123 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

In an ideal world, yes. A couple problems come to mind:

Wouldn’t punishing false accuser disincentivise people who make false rape claims from being truthful?

Would this require it’s own separate trial? People accused of falsifying rape accusations deserve due process, too.

[–]IronJohnMRA 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wouldn’t punishing false accuser disincentivise people who make false rape claims from being truthful?

No. These people were never truthful to begin with. Expecting deeply flawed individuals to suddenly growth a conscience is a fools errand.

Would this require it’s own separate trial?

Yes.

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[–]Bigbossman123 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How many acquittals have come from the accusers coming forward with the truth?

[–]Ted8367 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn’t punishing false accuser disincentivise people who make false rape claims from being truthful?

After they've made the accusation, in the current climate, yes.

But look forward to the situation after it's the standard thing to prosecute for false accusations. Then the prospective false accusers have something realistic to think about.

Would this require it’s own separate trial?

Of course it would.

[–]KnightofNarg 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it best to keep it being a slap on the wrist IF the false accuser comes forward of their own choice, better to keep people honest and men out of prison. If they get caught lying the punishment should be harsh, years in prison up to decades and put on the sex offender registry since it's obviously not safe to fuck them, sex is a weapon to them and everyone should watch themselves.

[–]shadowfalcon76 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

By the time the accuser comes forward, the accused's life is basically already over, so the accuser should NEVER get any sort of "slap on the wrist" option. EVER. The fact they put out a false rape claim in the first place shows they have no remorse, and any coming forth afterwords is just a ploy to protect themselves only.

​

No, the only correct outcome to get things back on track is to make sure false accusers know there's no option but severe punishment for attempting that gambit.

[–]NathanDSupertramp 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, yes it is.

[–]Siganid 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your library book is overdue.

[–]chambertlo 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yesterday.

[–]Watcher2 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s been passed time for a loooooong time! ✊

[–]Vanriel 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Considering the fact that these False Accusations ruin peoples lives, just like other crimes...well it is common sense to punish them surely?

[–]thrway_1000 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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