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Men with red-stained crotches will protest circumcision in Charlotte this weekend

JohnKimble111

March 24, 2018
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Title Men with red-stained crotches will protest circumcision in Charlotte this weekend
Author

JohnKimble111

Upvotes 204
Comments 66
Date March 24, 2018 3:46 AM UTC
(8 years ago)
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Comments

[–]3rdLevelRogue 8 years ago* [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

This is as cringey as vagina hats for feminists. The message is good, but this is mad cringe

[–]JohnKimble111[S] 43 points44 points45 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They spent 30 years getting nowhere without those outfits, they've only started having an impact since they started wearing them.

[–]DignifiedAlpaca 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the thing I've started noticing about politics... unfortunately, sometimes an issue doesn't get into the public consciousness until something is done to shock people. I don't really like how disturbing this looks, but if that is the whole reason why it works, then I really can't fault them for it.

[–]ThirdTurnip 10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes it's terribly clever and I'm glad they're doing it, but I can't look.

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 25 points26 points27 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

difference is that the vagina hats are just because they want to and the bloodstained men wear the pants to signify the bleeding of child genitals when they legally get cut up.

Not cringy if it gets them noticed IMO. They are doing a good job.

[–]rtahkwa 8 years ago [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. I was thinking about all the menstruation "art" myself. I appreciate their efforts, but wouldn't be surprised if they get turned into a laughing stock, which helps nobody.

[–]bakedpotato486 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

menstruation

Women naturally bleed from their crotches, men/boys don't.

[–]rtahkwa 8 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

That's not a very inclusive thing to say ;-)

[–]bakedpotato486 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm only leaving out men, who cares?

[–]rtahkwa 8 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

biological men

FTFY

In all seriousness though, I 100% get the distinction. My example of menstruation art is the connotation I made myself. I'm from the EU where circumcision isn't a big problem. So when I'd see men with bloody crotches it wouldn't be the first thing I'd think about.

[–]bakedpotato486 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think circumcision is the first thing anyone here in the US thinks of upon seeing it either. It truly seems as though circumcision is seen as benign as a vaccination everywhere in Western civilization. This is why it's initially so offensive... Which is good, so people could see it for what it is.

[–]rtahkwa2 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

With the correct framing so people are primed to associate it with circumcision, it has a good chance to work. But the context will need to be there.

[–]codaclouds 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

we live in a world where human genitals of both sexes are violently ablated and disfigured but this is what makes you cringe

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't imagine life without!

[–]Alfylol 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link

Hello there! I’m a completely uninformed 14 y/o. I’m about to get a (minor(hard to explain)) circumcision. I have just subscribed to this reddit community (being the firm pro men’s rights person that I am). I’ve just found out that lot of people on this subreddit do have an issue with circumcision and have no idea why.

Could anyone explain? Thx!

[–]fdskjkfds 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I assume your circumcision is for a legitimate medical reason? That is not what people are protesting and is fairly rare. Most circumcision is done on perfectly healthy boys. In that case it is cosmetic surgery, kind of like breast enlargement. Do you see an ethical issue with forcing young girls to have breast enlargement surgery?

[–]ItGonBeK 14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it's for a medical reason (e.g phimosis) then do it. If it isn't for a medical reason these are drawbacks;


Masturbation feels better.

Source: http://www.cirp.org/pages/anat/

Circumcision significantly reduces sensitivity.

Source: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2006.06685.x/epdf

http://www.livescience.com/1624-study-circumcision-removes-sensitive-parts.html

Erectile dysfunction 4.5 times more likely to occur if you're circumcised

http://www.thewholenetwork.org/14/post/2011/08/does-circumcision-cause-erectile-dysfunction.html

Cut infants get long-term changes in pain response from the trauma of being circumcised

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9057731

Circumcision decreases penile sensitivity

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23374102?dopt=Abstract

Circumcision associated with sexual difficulties

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21672947

Circumcision linked to alexithymia

http://www.mensstudies.com/content/2772r13175400432/?p=a7068101fbdd48819f10dd04dc1e19fb&pi=4

Circumcision decreases sexual pleasure

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17155977

Circumcision decreases efficiency of nerve response in the glans of the penis

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17378847

Circumcision linked to pain, trauma, and psychosexual sequelae

http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/boyle6/

Circumcision results in significant loss of erogenous tissue

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8800902

Neonatal circumcision linked to pain and trauma

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9057731

Circumcision linked to psychological trauma

http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/goldman1/

Cut men have a more difficult time fapping.

Source: http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1743-6109.2005.00070.x/abstract;jsessionid=E233A9E106A9

Which was the reason it was promoted in the USA in the first place.

http://english.pravda.ru/science/health/27-03-2006/77873-circumcision-0/

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There is nothing wrong with male or female circumcision. There is a problem with non consensual male and female circumcision. Botched circumcision has cost many infants their organ, and somtimes their entire lives due to bleeding (doctor faces no charge). If an adult wants to take that risk then I 100% support their right to do anything that they want to do with their own bodies. However, a child is defenseless and is given no choice. This happens for no medically valid reason and is completely unjustified, not to mention the fact that it is sexist. Can you imagine the outrage that would occur if an infant girl died to a botched vaginal circumcision? Even one that wasn't botched would spark outrage.

[–]goodfoobar 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If this is due to a medical diagnosis of phimosis then it is NOT OK to do this now. Phimosis is when the foreskin is not allowing the glans(head) to come out. This is the normal situation for new born infants as the foreskin is fused to the glans in the same manner that finger nails are fused to your fingers. The foreskin and glans separate naturally during puberty and can happen a late as 18 years. If when your 18 and you have this problem there are remedies. Foreskin stretching exercises is the first step. Steroid creams is the second step. A small cut on the ridged band should be the most extreme step taken.

[–]Alfylol 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alright... I’ll take that into consideration. Thank you!

[–]mwobuddy 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link

Ask feminists why female circumcision is called genital mutilation. Ask the people who are forcing you to get a circumcision why they don't also force it on girls. Refuse the operation.

[–]Alfylol 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Actually I won’t refuse because I’m doing it for a genuine medical reason (foreskin is connected to the mid-section, I therefore can’t pull it back) but I completely agree that we shouldn’t force anyone to have a circumcision if it isn’t for medical reasons. Thank you for helping me understand the topic at hand!

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

just so you see this, retraction isn't always possible until late teens (like 16 or 17) and sometimes even until early 20s.

I would recommend looking up stretching techniques too. If you are forced to cut, look for a dorsal slit instead of letting them just hack it all off.

[–]Alfylol 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They did recommend a “smaller slit” (basically no all of it but more of a dorsal slit like you suggested) they still call it circumcision but I guess that’s fine...

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

just make sure beforehand if you NEED the surgery. Especially in the US doctors still think circumcision is some kind of cure-all.

[–]93re2 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it wouldn't hurt to seek a second opinion with a specialist, like Dr. Adrienne Carmack. She's done a lot more research on the development of the foreskin than almost any other doctor you'd encounter; she even had a paper that discusses it it published last year in the medical journal Canadian Family Physician. The paper is mostly about how to catheterize a boy with an intact foreskin without causing him an injury, but she also goes into the development of the foreskin and how it can take time for it to develop retractability.

[–]Alfylol 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you very much! I’ll look into it

[–]BLUEUPTON 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro I'm 16 and I was gonna get one but then I pulled it down after multiple tries. Bro you're gonna regret it years down the road.

[–]Kinbaku_enthusiast 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Typically it happens to babies, who don't have a choice. On top of that, it's a risk factor for a number of physical and mental problems. The chance of death as a result of circumcision is about as big as the chance of needing circumcision for something like phimosis.

Sometimes circumcission isn't necessary for phimosis either, but sometimes it is.

We don't remove body parts unless there's a reason to believe it improves health outcomes. If someone wanted to remove my appendix, that's unethical. When someone wants to remove my appendix because I have appendicites, that's a good medical decision.

If someone wants to amputate my arm it's barbaric. When someone wants to amputate my arm because otherwise necrosis or cancer or whatever would kill me, then they're a saint. The difference is in the context.

[–]aonome 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

connected to the mid-section

This is normal. It usually changes by puberty, you're just late in being able to retract it. What country are you in?

[–]Alfylol 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I don’t live there but I’ll do my operation in France

[–]aonome 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Right but what country is the doctor that recommended the procedure in? Are they also in France?

[–]Alfylol 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

France

[–]aonome 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It's definitely worth getting a second opinion here, I'm surprised that they think a circumcision is necessary

[–]Alfylol 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It isn’t exactly a circumcision but they decided to call it one for simplicities’ sake (it’s a “minor circumcision”)

[–]rodrigogirao 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

To call it the wrong name is not simplifying, it's just misleading. What is it? They may be misleading you.

[–]Alfylol1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I don’t think so... after all, they are a public hospital

[–]structo22 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You're entitled to a second opinion, see what another doctor says. if they say the same thing then do the dorsal slit and tell them very clearly to leave the frenulum, theres absolutely no reason for them to damage or amputate the frenulum. here in america doctors will do a complete amputation even when theres no reason to, so make sure that isnt going to happen to you.

[–]Alfylol3 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

What about France tho? Is it the same issue there?

[–]structo23 points 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

In general, probably not, but there might be a few american doctors or jewish doctors that would do it. I would talk with them and make sure they know what a dorsal slit is and not to remove anymore than necessary. if you have your frenulum, youll be fine.

[–]WildHuntsman 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's normal for foreskin to it retract all the way until adulthood. Don't rush it. Do more research. Good luck. There are also non-surgical options. Good luck.

[–]Alfylol 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks! I’ll try researching today... someone linked me to this doctor that apparently knew a lot about foreskin and etc so I might try and research that first.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

foreskin is connected to the mid-section, I therefore can’t pull it back

Then you don't need circumcision, you need it separated a little.

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I would highly reccomend you don't get it done and at most do a dorsal slit.

even if you can't pull it back don't cut it unless its causing you actual pain since adhesion until late teen years is very common. Just look up daily stretching exercises.

[–]Schismikov 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It can't be ignored that this is indeed, hilarious.

[–]Alfylol 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right... thank you very much for enlightening me on this topic!

[+]croidhubh -11 points-10 points-9 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

LMFGDAO Throw tampoons at them

[+]RicoCat -12 points-11 points-10 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

To represent the menses leaking out of their pussies? Such a waste of time.

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

why are you so pissed at people who want to protect boys from genital mutilation lol

[+]RicoCat -11 points-10 points-9 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

It's not mutilation. It's normal. It prevents disease and it's cleaner. This issue doesn't belong in this sub, which I support.

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

It's not mutilation.

mutilation: to injure, disfigure, or make imperfect by removing or irreparably damaging parts

so yeah its mutilation

It's normal.

people are born with a foreskin, and 80% of men on earth have one. not normal by any sense of the word

It prevents disease and it's cleaner.

what other body parts do we need to remove to make it cleaner? People shower and people can wear condoms...

Women have more UTIs than men and their genitals are literally a warm moist hole, the ideal location for bacteria growth... they get antibiotics when problems happen...

This issue doesn't belong in this sub, which I support.

This issue is the most important one on the sub. Its literally cutting parts of genitals off infant boys. How is this not a MRA issue?

[+]RicoCat -8 points-7 points-6 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

So you don't get your haircut, trim your nails, don't have your wisdom teeth extracted or appendix or tonsils out, don't get vaccinated because we're not born with that immunity...sure, sure. It's fucking gross and ugly, and it's my man's right as a dad not to have a smegma son with an std catcher.

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 9 points10 points11 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

So you don't get your haircut

hair grows back

trim your nails

nails grow back

don't have your wisdom teeth extracted or appendix or tonsils out

not from infants, not just because... all 3 of those can just not be removed throughout someones life. All 3 have uses too... either that or they are evolutionary leftovers (wisdom teeth) that are removed just as a quality of life improvement.

don't get vaccinated

so removing part of a childs genitals is like a vaccination? Really, how?

It's fucking gross and ugly,

And here is your REAL argument lol. Hey might just be me, but I don't look at child genitals and want them to look a specific way. Im not a pedophile.

and it's my man's right as a dad not to have a smegma son with an std catcher.

in other words its your right to subject your child to the same torture that happened to you. You sound like a wonderful human.

Also smegma is in women too, in much MUCH higher quantities... its the white cream they have.

As or STDs, circumcised men in the US are more likely to get STDs than intact men in Europe. Try not being a manwhore.

[+]RicoCat -3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Lol. You literally want to ban a procedure that's been a cultural, religious, and traditional part of normal men's lives, and ONLY men, in a man's rights sub. But I'm the idiot. Sure. Go eat some ants.

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol. You literally want to ban a procedure that's been a cultural, religious, and traditional

yes because human rights will always and have always trumped religious rights. If I was a satanist and I was told by my diety that killing infants and drinking their blood was the correct way to worship, should that be legalized because muh tradition?

How about this, what if jews only cut women? would that be a women's rights issue or not?

men's lives, and ONLY men, in a man's rights sub.

Yes it effects mens lives. They get to live with a partial penis instead of a whole one because organized religion stole it lol. That is obviously a MRA issue.

But I'm the idiot.

If you continue to ignore my points and just keep shifting your rotting goalposts then yeah I guess so

[–]93re2 11 points12 points13 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol. You literally want to ban a procedure that's been a cultural, religious, and traditional part of normal men's lives, and ONLY men

Actually, in many cultures women cut the clitoral hoods of their daughters, for "cultural, religious, and traditional" reasons. I'm talking about the clitoral hood. The female prepuce, which is homologous to the male prepuce.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/mumbai/khatna-has-been-given-a-bad-name-say-bohra-women-from-around-the-world/article18211061.ece

Don't disingenously conflate this with infibulation or clitoridectomy (although those are also cultural, religious, and traditional practices). I'm talking about cutting the female prepuce. It's a religious custom that's well over a thousand years old.

[–]MenDeserveRights 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I want men to have the same protection women do from non-consensual genital cutting.

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[+]RicoCat -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think you're over compensating for a smelly penis. Sorry your parents didn't give you a better life.

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry your parents didn't give you a better life.

You think most men wish they had half a penis?? lol

[–]MenDeserveRights 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you too stupid to know how to wash yourself?

[–]MenDeserveRights 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not having my wisdom teeth extracted.

20 years ago, doctors told my parents that it would be best to have half of my penis chopped off, and I was powerless to resist it.

A couple weeks ago, doctors told my parents and I that it would be best to have my wisdom teeth ripped out, but this time, I was able to say no.

Circumcision has made me very suspicious of any medical recommendation to remove a body part, since the removal of the foreskin was so unnecessary.

[–]PowerToAnnihilate 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

same, except I've had my foreskin, appendix, tonsils AND wisdom teeth removed.

The first one was for no reason and was done while I was on oxygen since I was born a premie.

The second 2 were done when I was between 6 and 10 and were done because I couldn't breathe properly (tonsils) and it was about to burst (appendix) and was causing me severe pain.

My wisdom teeth were taken out at like 19 and I was ok with it because they were coming in at an angle.

But yeah, I also have a mistrust of doctors because of the one surgery I didn't consent to or need.

[–]MenDeserveRights 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I was born a premie too. The last thing people should think about doing to a defenseless baby is mutilating their genitals.

I guess I'm lucky in that I've never had any tonsil or appendix problems.

The worst that could happen with my wisdom teeth is that they could cause me some mouth pain every now and then, so I decided to leave them in there.

Like I said, I don't trust my parents judgement about removing body parts.

[–]MenDeserveRights 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's cleaner to rip off your fingernails, yet we don't do that to babies.

[–]bakedpotato486 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because there's no "why," not even any bullshit "whys."

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