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Narcotics taking pregnant moms whose actions kill their babies are now portrayed as victims by many feminists and feminist biased media outlets.

NeoNotNeo

June 10, 2022
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Title Narcotics taking pregnant moms whose actions kill their babies are now portrayed as victims by many feminists and feminist biased media outlets.
Author

NeoNotNeo

Upvotes 147
Comments 50
Date June 10, 2022 10:38 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/v94vhz/narcotics_taking_pregnant_moms_whose_actions_kill/
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Comments

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 63 points64 points65 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

There will be boatloads of people claiming this is about hating on women. It isn’t. Or hating on addicts. It isn’t. It’s outing media bias. These type of articles are popping up like weeds. And it reminds me of what I read here in a few subs. The point of feminism is to remind you daily, women are not responsible for anything. But entitled to everything.

If a dad left drugs out for a toddler and it kills the child, that man would be in jail. No matter how poor he was. If a woman takes meth while pregnant. She’s a victim.

[–]WingsofSky 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anything that portrays a single female in a negative light. Is seen as sexist, bigoted and everything else by the female hegemony.

[–]mustangfrank 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women want the perks and privileges of both sexes, without the responsibilities or obligations of either.

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She is a strong independent victim.

[–]TurbulentPractice773 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I know a woman who uses Crack and Meth as a form of birth control!! She's been pregnant multiple times and they have all died. Here's the kicker....she's a Veteran and the VA therapists and hospital staff are well aware of this behavior, however, refuse to intervene.

[–]supahstahhh 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How should the VA intervene?

[–]patxiku93 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Victims of what, their own carelessness? Feminists are allergicnto personal responsability

[–]bludragon355 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So this writer, (I don't want to generalize all feminists) thinks that women should not be responsible for their own actions?

[–]SampleHistorical9352 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly

[–]JasHanz 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Well I mean, addiction IS an illness.

[–]Lice138 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Yes and no, someone with cancer can’t just decide “today I’m not going to experience the harmful effects of cancer” no cancer patient ever calls their oncologist and says “I had a bad day and started cancering again”.

[–]JasHanz 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

I don't think you understand how addiction works.

It's EXACTLY like cancer or any other illness.

[–]Lice138 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I very much do, I was a homeless heroin addict for years. I know more than most. It’s nothing like cancer, can you just quit cancer? Can you make a successful effort to just not have cancer and have that work? Can I lock you up for a month and watch your tumor go away?

[–]mustangfrank 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not an addict. How does one become addicted? What does it feel like? Why can't you stop? What happens to your mind? What goes through your mind when shooting up?

[–]Lice138 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It snowballs over time. It starts out like something fun and slowly turns into a hellish grind that your life depends on. It gets to a point where literally nothing else matters, jut getting more to stay out of withdrawal. Sooner or later you stop getting high and at the end you just are always dope sick or semi dope sick no matter how much you do. That's why a lot of long time users OD, your tolerance can go up but your body can only take so much so one day you overdose on something you didn't even feel.
You can stop any time you want to, you just don't want to. If put into a corner you will claim you want to in an effort to end "the talk" so you can go out and get more. When you do want to quit the physical symptoms of WD are unbearable, just the thought of WDing is enough to make you nervous and high strung that you are a wreck. Honestly towards the end the only thing going through my mind was the struggle to find a vein anywhere on my body and hoping to god that i find one before the small amount of blood in my syringe coagulated.
I can't stress it enough though, it plays with your mind and you really don't want to quit. You think you are fine and everyone around you are the ones with the issue. And therein lies the heart of the problem, you can't stop unless you want to and you really don't want to. You can't "make" someone want to quit which is why court ordered rehab fails so often on real addicts.

[–]JasHanz -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Being a recovering addicts doesn't make you more knowledgeable on the subject.

You can't "just quit" addiction.

You can make a successful effort in the form of chemo and radiation therapy.

Locking up an addict for a month doesn't cure addiction, it addresses acute symptoms, but only temporarily.

[–]Lice138 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It 100% does. And that “recovering addict” crap is BS propaganda from a program with a long track history of failure. In no actual disease does the issue of suffering from it come down to choice.

[–]JasHanz -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right....🙄

[–]jakemasterj 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Being a thing gives you no knowledge of being the thing"

It's like mansplaining but for drugs, nice job

[–][deleted] 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]jakemasterj -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean it is though, you're telling an ex heroin user what it's like to be a heroin user without providing any reason why you'd know better.

That is in fact what the feminists call mansplaining.

[–]JasHanz 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I'm telling an addict that being an addict doesn't make them an expert on addiction, which it doesn't. You're conflating your anecdotal experience with what is generally accepted to be true.

[–]digos_ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes you can make a successful effort to not have cancer some might call it taking medicine. Some people have even just changed their diets and have seen their cancer go away.

[–]Lice138 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Give it up, it’s not even remotely the same.

[–]digos_ -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I usually follow the model of providing a counter argument instead of resorting to just telling someone to give up and not providing any substance. Regardless of what you believe or what I believe I answered your question. You can legitimately make an effort to not have cancer…

[–]UnblurredLines -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

no cancer patient ever calls their oncologist and says “I had a bad day and started cancering again”.

That's pretty much exactly what happens. Cancer tends to come back, repeatedly.

[–]Lice138 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But you have no choice in the matter

[–]OffensiveWord6922 points 4 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

You shouldn't be prosecuted for a still birth regardless of what caused it. I interpreted from the article that she has three other children and was taking meth, that's the real issue. I also don't see what this has to do with Men's Rights.

[–]supahstahhh 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s a story about one woman. If men don’t want to be stereotyped, don’t do it to women

[–]OffensiveWord691 points 4 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't think I was stereotyping, obviously not all mothers take hard drugs with their children present, nor is it the majority. I do think that this mother, specifically, is putting her children in danger by taking such a hard drug.

[–]supahstahhh 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I misinterpreted your comment and I apologize for that. You were not stereotyping, and I agree with you. I should also not comment, or read, or Reddit late at night.

[–]OffensiveWord692 points 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

All is good, mistakes happen

[–]oafsalot 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Serious drug addiction, that takes over ones life like this, does make someone a victim. Imagine carrying a child and then losing it over something like this, it'd be soul breaking.

[–]AnOddTree 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Idk. I know at least 2 situations where a man cheated on a woman and gave her an std while she was pregnant that affected the child. One ended in miscarriage and the other ended in the child being deaf and having severe learning disability.

I'm not saying the women who hurt a fetus are innocent in what they do. I just think that blame could possibly go both ways and we need to be weary of what power we give the government in persecuting us.

[–]reverbiscrap 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Iirc, knowingly giving someone an std is considered assault, legally

[–]princelydeeds 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is funny and why this forum is necessary. Whenever a woman is asked to take any sort of responsibility, we seek any and all ways that we can possibly find any exception that would also make a man responsible?

It's comical at this point....

[–]thankuhexed 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s almost like these things aren’t as black and white as inflammatory subreddits and their followers want us to believe.

[–]reverbiscrap 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Please explain where your thoughts are taking you. Your comment is fairly ambiguous, and I'd like to understand your statement better.

[–]WingsofSky 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The mindset "women can do no wrong" is strong with them. But that's the twisted world we live in.

[–]mustangfrank 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Believe all women

[–]IcyTrapezium 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Female addicts may be portrayed more sympathetically than male ones and that is a terrible injustice. We should be compassionate toward (but never enable) all addicts. Expecting men to “man up” is a great failure of patriarchy and done with the intent of using and abusing men.

Addiction is a disease. A disorder of choice that makes life a living hell. However a reasonable addict would have an abortion. Of course in the throes of addiction what addict is responsible.

[–]miroku000 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The article actually makes a good point. When abortion is illegal, every miscarriage is a potential crime to be investigated. In the case of the mother who took meth during her pregnancy and had a miscarriage, it is tough to muster sympathy. But if abortion is illegal, then we are talking about investigating all women who have miscarriages and treating them as suspects.

[–]ABeeBox 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh my god this fucking angers me so much because of how recently relevant it is!

There's a "friend" that I know, 19, she got pregnant from a Hookup, all of her Snapchat were bitching about the father of the child and how he's absent. But she would also post Snapchat stories of her vaping while pregnant. She never even tried to stop vaping. I've seen her vaping at social gatherings and I've given out to her about it. I've been told to shut up and that I shouldn't be allowed a woman what to do.

Anyways, she had a miscarriage, cannot be sure the cause of the miscarriage, but the first thing she blamed is GMO foods, because ofcourse, out of vaping and food, food is the problem.

Hate narcissists.

[–]poobobo 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

What does this have to do with men's rights? Wr need to stop complaining about stuff that women do and worry about our rights. This is whataboutism at best

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Media bias has everything to do with your rights in court. If a mom whose kid dies because of her actions is a victim, then the sane should apply for a man. Though in reality both would be at fault.

Living in a world where women are endlessly portrayed as victims even as a a consequence of their choices is exactly the point of a mens rights movement.

[–]Monster3gamez 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it has something to do with men cus there actions kill the child of a father

[–]NeoNotNeo[S] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So my body my choice, but my child not my responsibility. Got it.

[–]Monster3gamez -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not going to start on the abortion topic cus I got my own wiews in regards to that

[–]StingRayFins 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They live by the "rules for thee but not for me" mantra

[–]RandoCaljizzian69 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If as an adult I slip some drugs into the juice box of a toddler and that toddler dies, I'm a murderer. Same as if I do it to an adult. I'm all for abortion, but using drugs while pregnant is wilful neglect resulting in bodily harm. Either that or make it legal to sterilize drug addicts. Either way, some feminist somewhere is bound to complain, after all "her body, her decision" (even if she's a neglectful and idiotic junkie)

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Given the choice of two identical apartments differing only that one is in a block full of drug users and the other is full of clean living people, almost everyone would choose to live in the latter. There is a reason society outlaws drugs that cause people to lose control of their lives; it does affect other people.

The defence that addicts cannot help themselves, as cited in several of the comments below, would seem to indicate that they need the law to get involved. You cannot argue "my drug use is my choice, the law should not be involved" and "I cannot help myself."

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