/r/ainbow supporting equality...until they don't. One user calls for the inclusion of MRA groups in Pride events, and the sub's response drips with misandry...

HeForeverBleeds · 2018-06-15T12:03:04+00:00

It's nice that the top comment so far is fairly reasonable and not misandric

It's a little perplexing that all the reasons for banning them were about guilt by association rather than anything this local group actually did or said. The issues RMMRA said they were focusing on such as drug addiction, incarceration, suicide, homelessness, and domestic violence NEED more attention, and can be especially relevant for gay or trans men.

Yes, lots of MRA groups are super misogynistic, transphobic redpiller types, and it would absolutely make sense to ban them from a Pride celebration that's supposed to be welcoming to all... but that doesn't mean EVERYONE who wants to focus on the wellbeing of men holds those same views or is doing it at the exclusion of women (as evidenced by the trans and cis women on this group's board). Plenty of feminists are TERFs, but that doesn't mean all feminists groups are transphobic and should therefore be banned from Pride. Hopefully this group and Denver PrideFest are able to communicate with each other and come to some kind of mutual understanding for next year.

HeForeverBleeds · 2018-06-15T12:19:26+00:00

I think the reason gay men's rights aren't typically considered men's rights is because feminism got to the movement first and basically hijacked it. They preach things like how homophobia against gay men stems from misogyny, and in this way perpetuate the perception of gay men (and therefore their issues) as more similar to women than to men (and therefore more similar to women's issues). Which in some ways is homophobic in it's own right, stereotyping gay men as not actual men

But really, anti-gay-men sentiment is more related to misandry than misogyny. Gay, bi, straight men are all branded with similar negative stereotypes, e.g. they're pedophiles / rapists / sexual deviants who little boys, vulnerable young women, children in general, etc. always ought to be wary of. Lesbian, bi, and especially straight women don't get this much stigma, because it's male sexuality (regardless of his orientation) that's perceived as predatory and degrading

Not to mention, there are issues that can affect all men in general, regardless of orientation, that feminists generally don't pay much attention to but MRA's usually do (e.g. MGM, lack of resources for male DV and sexual abuse victims, disproportionate lack of health care funding, disproportionately longer prison sentences, etc.)

perplexedm · 2018-06-15T16:08:51+00:00

On the other side, several gays come here and get lot of support.

Anyways, sane opinions of people in that sub tends to get overtaken by that of feminuts.

a-man-from-earth · 2018-06-15T12:57:07+00:00

I don't think it drips with misandry. But evidently feminist propaganda works in many people just seeing the worst of the men's rights movement.

ColonelSwede · 2018-06-15T15:28:08+00:00

Seriously, do these people know any other insult than "Nazi"?

azazelcrowley · 2018-06-15T16:11:25+00:00

The comments seem quite sensible actually, when you also account for votes.

GrayVegan · 2018-06-15T11:02:39+00:00

Pushing gay men’s rights to the forefront of the movement could be the key to silencing feminist hatred. Homophobia leaves a bad taste in liberals’ mouths and encourages them to look past the MRA label for once and listen to what we’re saying, especially when it effects gay men and their families.

Praise_the_Omnissiah · 2018-06-15T11:34:46+00:00

"the sub's response drips with misandry..."

It's a little perplexing that all the reasons for banning them were about guilt by association rather than anything this local group actually did or said. The issues RMMRA said they were focusing on such as drug addiction, incarceration, suicide, homelessness, and domestic violence NEED more attention, and can be especially relevant for gay or trans men.

Yes, lots of MRA groups are super misogynistic, transphobic redpiller types, and it would absolutely make sense to ban them from a Pride celebration that's supposed to be welcoming to all... but that doesn't mean EVERYONE who wants to focus on the wellbeing of men holds those same views or is doing it at the exclusion of women (as evidenced by the trans and cis women on this group's board). Plenty of feminists are TERFs, but that doesn't mean all feminists groups are transphobic and should therefore be banned from Pride. Hopefully this group and Denver PrideFest are able to communicate with each other and come to some kind of mutual understanding for next year.

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