Rape and Justice

Punder_man · 2025-12-09T07:29:24+00:00

At the same time, we have to acknowledge the reality that most sexual violence is committed by men. That doesn’t mean “all men,” and it doesn’t mean men are destined to offend. It means we need honest conversations about psychology, socialization, access to support, consent education, and prevention strategies.

It also doesn't help that in many places the crime of "Rape" is specifically gender coded to be a crime that ONLY men can commit..
Maybe as a society we need to also accept that women are NOT fully innocent when it comes to both sexual and non-sexual violence?
It also doesn't help the statistics when as a society we see women as less culpable for their crimes which manifests in the fact hat women are flat out less likely to be arrested, charged and given jail sentences for their crimes compared to men.

We also have to acknowledge that with our current system false rape accusations DO happen and it is VERY easy for a woman to make a false accusation because she will face next to no consequences for doing so.

One idea worth discussing is whether destigmatizing and regulating sex work could reduce certain types of sexual violence. If sex workers were treated as human beings with legal rights, protection, and safety measures, some crimes might be prevented—though it’s not a magic solution, and the research is mixed. Still, it’s a conversation worth having alongside broader efforts like:

I don't see any issues with that...

comprehensive consent education

As long as it goes BOTH ways.. because currently the education around consent is "Boys needing to ensure clear and affirmative consent" but the same is not taught to girls.

survivor-centered justice reforms

I'm not sure I agree with this... simply based on the idea that a woman who lies about being raped should not be deemed a "survivor" nor should her idea of justice be entertained.

I also think chemical castration could be an option for certain offenders—but only voluntarily or under strict medical and legal guidelines.

ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NO ON THIS!!!
For "repeat" offenders I could entertain the notion.. but the problem is, the moment you open pandora's box and allow for chemical castration of men who have been accused of rape you then run into a whole bunch of ethical issues.

Firstly.. what happens in the case that a man is the victim of a false rape accusation and through it he is chemically castrated?
What sort of compensation would be made available to a man who suffers this injustice? because if you think that the legal system as it currently stands actually adequately compensates those who have been falsely convicted for crimes they did not commit then I have a bridge i'd like to sell you.

I suppose my main issue here is, how do you propose to make changes without opening up the door for false accusations to become both easier and more common?

Edit: Also OP's account is new.. so I'd take anything said by OP with a massive grain of salt...
Edit 2: Looks like OP's account was banned by Reddit..
I suspect they are only posting this to stir up drama.

Manaheaven · 2025-12-09T10:58:34+00:00

Incredibly biased perspective. And nothing about men's rights.

As the other comment said what about false accusations, rape laws that exclude men as victims or women as perpetrators. What about the biased consent standard where if both man and women are drunk only the man is charged?

You make it a point to tell us it's mostly men and then suggest an absolutely barbaric punishment that violates bodily autonomy. Either you don't come here in good faith or you are simply an indoctrinated feminist

By your logic we should chemically castrate all men who commit violent acts because it would reduce re-offending.

And what should we do to the women who rape? What extra punishment would you suggest? Hysterectomy maybe? C'mon what an absurd line of thinking. Why is prison not enough punishment, like it is for nearly every other crime?

I agree that legalizing sex work would reduce sexual violence but it was legal and available for most of history until feminism happened.

ApprehensiveMail8 · 2025-12-09T15:55:35+00:00

We need to acknowledge that female-perpetrated rape was historically LEGAL throughout history up until about 50 years ago. And much progress needs to be made before the crime is defined and enforced in a way that puts half of the burden of compliance on people born female and provides half of the benefit of protection to people born male.

FTFY.

Huitzil37 · 2025-12-09T11:44:36+00:00

So let's ignore for a moment how your thesis is probably false because feminists actively destroy information about sexual offenses by women.

Most sexual violence in the US is committed by black people. In fact, the disproportionate rate at which men commit crimes is about the same as the disproportionate rate black people commit crimes. Every single thing you say about how men are dangerous and men are blameworthy and men bear collective guilt applies way more to black men. If you look at Europe, the overwhelming majority of sexual violence is committed by Muslim immigrants -- 85% of rapes in Sweden are by Muslim immigrants.

One of the following statements must be true:

If men committing crimes at a higher rate is proof they are dangerous, blameworthy, and have to be stopped, then black people and Muslims committing crimes at a much higher rate means they are the most dangerous and blameworthy of all and the government has to take away their rights.

If black people and Muslims committing crimes at a higher rate is proof they are oppressed and disenfranchised and deserve better treatment instead of punishment, then men committing crimes at a higher rate is also proof they are oppressed and disenfranchised and deserve better treatment instead of punishment.

One of those two statements has to be true. There is no way around it. You have to pick one. So which one is it?

KalzK · 2025-12-09T12:56:52+00:00

The definition of sexual violence is biased and gendered. Most sexual violence committed by women is not considered so, be it by society's twisted standards or the very law. There are all kinds of legal mechanisms, victim help measures, protections for those vulnerable, etc. that only apply to women, while men don't even have the tools to recognize they have been abused.

Rape and other kinds of sexual and gendered violence are terrible, but we as a society are hyper focused on protecting and helping women exclusively.

There are so, so many places both in real life and the internet dedicated to women's rights, defense of women, how to help women, how to prevent violence against women, and those conversations are extremely important and valid.

But this is not supposed to be the millionth place where we talk about how to help women, this is supposed to be one of the very few spaces where we accept that women's issues are valid, and then talk about men's issues instead.

We here need to discuss how to help men that get their rights taken away and become victims.

63daddy · 2025-12-09T15:15:03+00:00

Rape can include everything from a brutal, forcible gang rape, to an older boyfriend having consensual sex with his girlfriend (statutory rape), to regret sex, the woman later claiming her consent wasn’t valid. From the cases I’ve read, the latter accounts for the majority of college title IX allegations.

Crimes, including rape are committed by individuals, not by a sex.

World-Three · 2025-12-09T12:51:13+00:00

Sexual violence is about power, entitlement, lack of empathy, impulse control issues, trauma histories, or sometimes compulsive disorders—not just sexual desire. But we can talk about the factors that reduce risk.

I feel like if one person had more power and attraction to the other, there would be more cases than you are letting on.

For example, female teachers are kind of surfacing doing this type of stuff, and if we ignore the men cheering it on, we also see a couple women who feel like lowering the age of consent for men is a valid solution... Those people need to go in the bucket too, because they're in favor of creating an opportunity for it to happen.

I think another issue you COMPLETELY IGNORE is RESPECT. There are tons of women who look absolutely gorgeous, and others who have good days, even some who only have one... And a lot of opportunities to even talk to them go under the bridge to me. Why? Respect. I and other men know why they're even interested, and to act on that interest and only that interest is disrespectful. Rape is inevitably a product of that lack of respect with the reductive desire to make it only about sex. This isn't a man problem. It's a power and authority problem.

Have you ever met someone who is very strong or well trained? If you ever fought someone like that, have you took notice to how much they're holding back? That's what we need to teach in my opinion. Let people have power and authority, but also with that, teach them that it isn't something they can flail around and abuse for the sake of getting what they want. Being a teacher or a pastor doesn't mean get the pick of the litter, being stronger than someone doesn't mean you can violate their individuality, and having more social authority doesn't mean you can mindfuck the other person by implanting the thought that nobody is going to believe them anyway.

Furthermore, sex is about the only thing on the planet that can be promoted anywhere. You can do something insane, post it anywhere as a meme, but if you're attractive and have a link to something adult, you successfully advertised porn. It is what it is, but most men aren't having sex but are constantly reminded that they aren't. Ever been a virgin? (obviously), I can't even think of a bigger pressure to have sex as a man than that. The inexperience is all over your face, people will break up with you over it, ignore your opinions, feelings. That was the most frustrating time of my life.

There is a pressure to perform. And obviously this isn't for everyone, but you need to understand that monsters are monsters for a reason. So there will still be rapists no matter how much you try to prevent it, but what I'm aiming to reduce is the urge to pervert power and authority, as well as neutralize the provocation of sex for people who just haven't gotten any luck. But I'd be lying if I didn't say this is a generation where we respect each other THE LEAST. We need to get that back first.

External_Interest777 · 2025-12-09T20:05:00+00:00

Why are you even on this sub?

Pretend-Storm4566 · 2025-12-09T20:12:11+00:00

"At the same time, we have to acknowledge the reality that most sexual violence is committed by men."

If that's true, it's not by much. The CDC says the number of women raped is about equal to the number of men raped (or "made to penetrate", if you buy the sexist definitions they use). And 80% of those men were raped by women. In fact, I think if you include women groping men and kissing them unwantedly (considered to be sexual assault), I suspect women commit more "sexual violence" than men do. I mean, I've been sexually assaulted by girls several times. Ass grabs, forced kisses, etc. While I never sexually assaulted a girl.

SgtSplacker · 2025-12-09T12:21:08+00:00

For every woman actually raped there are 5 men falsely accused of rape.

Technical_Bet_9785 · 2025-12-10T03:15:08+00:00

De stigmatizing sex work (aka prostitution) hasn’t solved the issue, and CAN’T effectively solve the issue long term. It prevents stable households by encouraging behavior not geared towards stable marriage and family that is shown to protect drastically against psychopathology and anxiety, depression, trauma etc. Every “sex worker” is someone’s daughter, and the value of human life and of sexuality and the sexual act as being about intimacy is culturally diluted and effectively lost with the normalization of socio-sexuality. The risk of pregnancies is enough to know it’s wrong, because any kid unfortunate enough to be conceived in those circumstances will either be killed by their own mother to avoid accountability or grow up traumatized by the environment OR MAYBE have a really good chance at life if left at a fire station (legally protected form of childcare responsibility shifting), and if offered to a foster care system. Although that system has a lot of rot that needs to be taken care of as well and may be trafficking children, but that’s another conversation because the trafficking of children is a result of the normalization of socio-sexuality and hedonism.

In practice, prostitution (aka sex work) brings infinitely more risks than benefits, if not just for the women, for all parties involved, for children, and for those who may never see a prostitute face to face but will know it’s socially acceptable in their area.

The REAL solution is very harsh penalties, and as gruesome as it seems, mutilation, castration, etc may be the most effective way to prevent crimes. It’s not about whether that INDIVIDUAL will reoffend, it’s classic B.F. Skinner behaviorism, which is the default setting for many criminals lacking empathy or having antisocial personality disorder, psychopathic traits, narcissistic traits, and Machiavellian traits.

I’m taking a course on treatment of sex offenders, this is a bleak issue because in the end, we actually do have to choose. Will we protect the victims and future potential victims? Or over-optimistically attempt to help the perpetrators. My point is, we can do a bit of BOTH, but the priorities HAVE to stay hierarchical in order to prevent future problems. Victims come first, perpetrators second, and do what we can within those boundaries. If the problem is culturally large enough (like in the UK where rape has gone up 241% since 2014), the only solution is to make an example of all guilty parties man or woman, and accept that THEY have decided to castrate THEMSELVES the moment they chose to tear a woman’s clothes off, push her into the ground, threaten her life, and force themself into her (or them) against their will while holding them down. It’s extremely graphic beyond that description, and we need to know exactly how awful the reality is to be informed about our choices.

Title	Rape and Justice
Author	RestoringJustice9321
Upvotes	6
Comments	48
Date	December 9, 2025 5:56 AM UTC (8 months ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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