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[–]Satanarchrist 27 points28 points29 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand how the service charge is higher for men.
Also, I'd just buy a woman's ticket, and if they stop me at the door I'd say I identify as a woman, and tell them to check their privilege.
[–]TracyMorganFreeman 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
The reason is because men often pay for things in general, and also many places like this also realize that having more women there means more men.
[–]TRAUMAjunkie 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, it has little to do with discrimination and more to do with maximizing profits by exploiting basic sociology. Nobody is buying drinks at the sausage fest.
[–]rykocolor6 points 12 years ago [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link
The reason for doing it might have nothing to do with discrimination, but it's still discrimination regardless of the motive.
[–]TRAUMAjunkie -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I don't mind. I think its a good business model. I WANT more women at a club! Just think of it as the management trying to facilitate more hookups. Its better for everybody.
[–]rykocolor1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
That's the same kind of argument made by crazy surveillance state supporters right now. The NSA is doing a good job, and I WANT to be more safe, so just think of it as the government trying to protect us, it's better for everybody. /s
What it actually ends up meaning is that I can't afford to go at all...
[+]TRAUMAjunkie -6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Which is the VERY reason they charge more. They don't want broke men in the club. Too many of those put off all the attractive women and not enough attractive women means the men who are WILLING to pay are going elsewhere. So now you're left with a room full of broke neckbeards. You need to make payroll! Its a business model that ensures you stay in business.
Have you ever actually BEEN to a club? When I go out to meet women, I'm going to go to the establishment that attracts the most women. This seems pretty basic.
[–]rykocolor1 points 12 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Tell me more about how you prioritize your life on women, and how poor men shouldn't be allowed to go have fun in nice places 'because their poor'...classy...
[–]TRAUMAjunkie -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't think you understand. How old are you?
When I want to meet women, I don't wanna spend a lot of time and money doing so. Going to a club that doesn't attract women is not a place I'm going to spend my money. I might go out once every third weekend, does that mean I prioritize my life around women? I guess you're the judge here.
Also, if I'm just looking to "go have fun" with friends I'd rather go to a restaurant/bar than a night club.
[–]rykocolor2 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
My understanding is that this post was about tickets to some sort of concert, where the main activity is not hitting on girls but listening to good music? I like concerts, and I like going with my friends - why should I have to pay more?
[–]TRAUMAjunkie-1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If that's the case then your outrage is completely justified.
EDIT: just checked OP'S source. Its actually a club venue in Vegas.
[–]anonlymouse 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is stupid thinking? Do you really want the type of women who expect men to pay for everything to be there?
[–]JamesJohnHardy -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly, it has little to do with discrimination and more to do with maximizing profits by exploiting basic sociology. Nobody is buying drinks at a Negro joint.
[–]blakeomega 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you would think that doing something like that so in the open would be illegal because it is sexism, but i guess that only happens if females were charged more then males
[–]cobysan 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Someone should sue.
[–]dandsed 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Clubs have been doing this forever though. Free entry if you have a vagina.
[–]giegerwasright 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is equality. The reverse is not. Go feminism!
[–]ThatCynicalCynicism 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
Perhaps they think it's a good money making tactic? Men are more affluent and less eager to complain, ergo; we'll pocket more cash from men who are being dragged along by their demanding spouses/girlfriends.
From a legal point of view, I think businesses should be allowed to set their prices as they wish. However, I would not buy a ticket from a venue that wanted to charge me more for simply being male. I would encourage other men to take a similar line.
[–]circuitology 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men are more affluent
Tell that to my bank account, motherfucker.
I think businesses should be allowed to set their prices as they wish.
So do I. Set the price, charge it to everyone. Still get to set their own price, don't they.
Now, I decided a long time ago that I didn't want any part in this sort of bullshit, so you won't find me at any event like this, but it's still extremely unfair and also (arguably) degrading to everyone involved. We all know the reason the prices are as they are is because women are objects and the men are there to see if they can get sex from them. You don't generally see this sort of pricing model from any decent businesses, only the seedy underbelly seems to do this. Essentially the men are buying the women for $20.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
From a legal point of view, I think businesses should be allowed to set their prices as they wish.
Preach on, my libertarian brother.
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
General admission (white): 30.00
General admission (black): 50.00
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Movie tickets Babies, toddlers: free Kids $6 Adults:$8 Seniors:$6
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Being at a particular stage of mental development and independence is rather different from being of a particular race or sex.
[–]Chie_Satonaka 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. We are all (generally) going to go through those stages so I feel in this case it wouldn't be discriminatory. That said I do think ageism is a legitimate concern, especially when related to things like insurance, the job market, etc. But that's a whole other can of worms.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
yeah, I don't know what I was trying to add. It was just something else you can't control and can be put at a disadvantage for.
[–]ZeroError 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But you will, in a matter of time, get older. If you're black, you won't, in a matter of time, become white.
[–]circuitology 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Unless, of course, you are Michael Jackson.
[–]0xstev3 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
If you dislike it, do not shop there. I wouldn't, and I would encourage you not to.
non-violent means to ends <3
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
And what about in places where people would?
Banning an unethical practice is not violence.
[–]0xstev3 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
hm? would what?
You would need to uphold your law, and that requires threats of violence both towards the people breaking it and towards the people you are going to force to fund it.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Would shop at a place that discriminated in such a way. c.f. the US South 1865 - 1970.
You have a broad-ass definition of violence. What is violence? Is revoking a license violence? Is a fine violence?
[–]0xstev3 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
You have a broad-ass definition of violence. What is violence?
I use the dictionary definition.
vi·o·lence /ˈvī(ə)ləns/ Noun Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.
Is revoking a license violence? Is a fine violence?
If you agreed to be fined should you not provide a service or something, via a contract, then that is violence still, but you've agreed to pay it. I would say that is a just use of violence, along with defending yourself from the initiation of violence.
Saying to a peaceful person you've never even met before, never mind contracted with, "If you don't charge all races equally we'll fine/jail you" is unjustifiable violence (or threat of) towards a peaceful person, in my opinion. As is saying "we're going to take money from you to enforce this law, whether you like it or not, and if you resist we will fine/jail you, and if you resist that we'll use whatever violence is required to jail you".
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something If you agreed to be fined should you not provide a service or something... then that is violence...
Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something
If you agreed to be fined should you not provide a service or something... then that is violence...
Explain.
[–]0xstev3 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
If I agree to build you a wall for $10 and you pay me upfront, and then I don't pay you, then I would say it would be legitimate for you to dive on me and take your $10 back. I would say this is legitimate violence because the other person stole $10 from you.
If you dive on a stranger and he beats you up, I would say that is legitimate violence because it's self defence.
If you walk up to me and say "yo brah im the govt, give me your money so I can enforce this law, or I'll put you in a cage" I would say your threat of violence is not justified.
[–][deleted]1 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Isn't this a job for the government, since it's illegal (if contracted) not to pay in such a scenario? And if there is no government in this scenario, why don't I just murder you?
So how do you pay for police and roads and so on? Private police? Doesn't sound like a good idea to me.
[–]0xstev31 point 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
All free society questions will be answered in r/anarcho_capitalism
All questions ever will be answered in /r/EnoughLibertarianSpam
To sum up what's happened: You said something incorrect, I corrected it, now u mad.
Is that really your interpretation of the above conversation? Wow.
Are you saying you were correct here? It's pretty obvious that your claim is false, no?
Nope, not in the slightest. I honestly do not think it is violence when a government establishes a (post-representation) legal precedent to do it, and is within the human rights of those against whom said law acts.
You may think you've got the world figured out, but you do not, and it'll be pretty hard for you to get anywhere thinking that.
What happens to the peaceful people who do not follow your law?
What do you mean?
[+]kudosxv 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The reason it's cheaper is because of the assumption MEN will be buying WOMEN the drinks. Sadly, men will fall all over themselves to do it and that is why this shit continues.
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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It also encourages men to bring female dates, because they're cheaper and the guy typically pays for the dates.
[–]psilorder 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Put that way it sounds illogocal but another way to put it is "the assumption that women are there for the drinks and men are there for the women."
And making them pay full price to get something free would have lesser pull.
[–]TRAUMAjunkie -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its no so much charging men more as much as its charging women less to attract more.
[–]iproginger2 points 12 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
[Source] (http://getwet.wantickets.com/Events/ShowEvent.aspx?eventId=131793&affCode=44DFFD79FFB74177A0C2&forceredirect=1)
[–]IMULTRAHARDCORE 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The different prices make sense...I guess.
But what's what the difference in the service charge?
[–]Johnny_Pott 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is good though because more women will come. That's the point of it.
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