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The vanishing American man

Dizzirron

March 18, 2023
38 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.deseret.com/2023/3/16/23627559/vanishing-american-man-boy-crisis-failure-to-launch
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Title The vanishing American man
Author

Dizzirron

Upvotes 38
Comments 22
Date March 18, 2023 11:17 AM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/11ulktv/the_vanishing_american_man/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/the-vanishing-american-man.1180407
https://theredarchive.com/post/1180407
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[–]Standard-Broccoli107 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Why bother going out into a hostile environment to find a job and a girlfriend when the need for a sense of achievement, along with sexual desire, can be sated in your childhood bedroom, however artificially?

Why indeed? Im so happy im a bit older, because I feel sorry for the youths of today.

[–]Ferbuggity 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a lot older, and pretty much agree with the article in many respects... except the bit about employment, I'm not sure us Gen X'ers as a whole really get how very tough it is for young men to get steady, satisfying work these days. Especially if they're not college educated, which is a minefeild in itself.

How are our boys and young men expected to walk tall and carry responsibilities well, when everything in their environment is bent on crippling them?

I just had a weekend visit from my 18 month old grandson, just a radiant, happy, healthy little boy so full of joy, love and self-confidence. It's hard to imagine what his future is going to look like, I hold grave fears for him.

[–]Standard-Broccoli107 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Congratulations on your grandson. And who knows, maybe we have managed to make things better before he grows up?

[–]Full-Bluebird385 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

What is a yute?

[–]Standard-Broccoli107 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

There isnt written yute anywhere in my post or the post I reply to.

[–]Full-Bluebird385 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, I kid, you wrote youth, I was quoting a famous scene from the movie My Cousin Vinny. All good.

[–]neveragoodtime 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m old enough for that reference.

[–]Full-Bluebird385 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd1CijCUj8w.

[–]Standard-Broccoli107 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, that went right over my head, sorry.

[–]masakothehumorless 39 points40 points41 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

"I fear they are growing up in a society that no longer values the time-honored principles of self-reliance and communal purpose"

Anyone else reading the code here?

Self-reliance = Handle your own problems,

Communal purpose = and my problems too.

​

This is just a typical tradcon, bemoaning, "Oh where have all the stoic manly men-slaves gone? Now men want to express emotion and not work every day of their lives for a family that barely notices they exist! What a moral failure!"

[+]AdBeginning676 -17 points-16 points-15 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean, your very concerning implications towards your politics aside, its the exact thing MRAs have been referring to when we point to the 2 major causes of the West's decline:

  1. Men no longer acting as the foundational stones and willingly walking to the meat grinder of their nations needs.
  2. Men becoming increasingly childish and weak, both physically and mentally. With no incentive to "grow up" men don't learn important skills and remain helpless, and with no reason to be mentally or physically strong (employment, mating strategies, survival) they stay as perpetual children and marinate in their emotions often exacerbating the issues they face.

[–]masakothehumorless 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I am confused by your statement. You seem to be implying that MRAs think we(men) should "willingly walk to the meat grinder". What I have heard on here reflects exactly the opposite viewpoint, that people, all people, should be equally responsible for meeting the nation's needs and it shouldn't fall entirely on men's shoulders.

​

Your second point can be dismissed entirely, as it is a gross generalization and ignores the fundamental issues at play, but I'll address it anyway. Men are no weaker or more childish than they ever have been. They have different challenges to face than any generation before them, so what few role models they had were not up to the task of preparing them for the modern world. Physical strength is virtually meaningless, when it comes to living in the West. If you lack it, there are ways to make a life anyway. Mental strength is subjective and circumstantial. Someone could be perfectly at home in the woods or on a fishing boat and have a panic attack if forced to navigate through the simplest tasks in a city.

​

I'm not saying there aren't people of both genders that haven't learned all the wrong lessons of the modern world. Men who have lost all ambition and hope, women who have lost all perspective and humility. This doesn't speak to any fundamental flaw with a generation, as these people have always been around, they have just looked different in previous times. Weak people have always existed. Weak people will always exist, but as times change, what is weak will also change. Refusal to change when times demand it could be framed as sticking to principles, but could also easily be a cowardly/lazy refusal to face the truth.

[–]chukostufr 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

your very concerning implications towards your politics aside

downvoted for that sentence alone

[+]AdBeginning676 -9 points-8 points-7 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean, you're welcome to disagree with me.

I just find anyone throwing "tradcon code" around like its normal language worrying. Seems a bit extreme in a non-political sub.

[–]chukostufr 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My guy you are on Reddit.com. Everything here is political, especially a sub literally discussing rights issues. People are gonna use whatever weird lingo they can that you wouldn’t consider “normal language” cuz that’s internet

[–]AdBeginning676 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A fair point.

[–]WhereProgressIsMade 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Reminds me of the line from the 1983 movie WarGames. "“A strange game. The only winning move is not to play."

If you want young men to play the game of being contributing adults, fathers, and husbands, then there needs to be a way for them to win. I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised they try to avoid a society that keeps trying to convince everyone that they're bad and there's nothing they can do to change that. If every available path ends with them losing (or a high likelihood), the only rational choice is to not play. How dare they be rational!

My nephew is 16 and on this track - failing in school, only cares about his GF and videogames.

[–]Serious_Goat160 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

He managed to romantically connect with someone which is great because it means he's relatively more stable and self confident unlike a big chunk of that group unfortunately.

[–]FH-7497 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking lost me at a Josh Howley quote

[–]Character_Pirate_618 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Once you figure out how our corrupt, anti-male system works, no matter your misplaced, naive, initial exuberance, you leave the system to die a well deserved and overdue death.

[–]Early-Department-234 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lots of men are afraid of going outside in fear of being accused of criminal harassment, at least in Canada, UK and Japan.

[–]icedragon71 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Once again,an article that's written by a woman, presuming to know and tell men what's wrong with them. I knew it would be nonsense when the author,un-ironically, wrote about the "persistent wage gap for women" while then going on immediately to say about how women are out earning men.

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