TheRedPill is not that bad

MRB2012 · 2013-11-26T02:29:22+00:00

None of what they're saying is all that offensive or radical if you flip the genders. Go to any major bookstore chain, like Barnes and Nobles. Check out the "Relationships" section. Over 90% of the books will be targetted towards women, and the vast majority will have demeaning labels and stereotypes of men.

Saying "other people do it too" doesn't mean that it's not bad for you to do it. The fact that the idiots peddling dating advice to females suck doesn't mean that the idiots peddling dating advice to males don't suck.

lokidemon731 · 2013-11-26T04:19:53+00:00

So, again, it's about changing behaviours in a digestable way by changing the person's frame of mind.

If a woman needs to be told that the man she supposedly loves is simple minded, childlike, and lazy in order to digest any sort of information, she is not the kind of woman I want to hang out with. The same goes for TRP: if a man needs to be told that women are helpless and never mature beyond a teenager in order to digest some sort of information, no matter how constructive that information is, I'm not interested in hanging out with that guy.

The offensive fluff is beside the point.

It's really not. In fact, it's the whole point. The message is good when simplified, and it's a message you can get other places. The offensive fluff is just that: offensive and entirely pointless. It only encourages people to judge others based on genitalia.

deliberately demeaning women and making them sound helpless to their biology

Encouraging hypoagency is not something most MRAs are for. Neither is encouraging rigid gender roles.

In fact, there are even "good/positive alpha" behaviours that are talked about.

Some of them come across as really decent people. A lot of them are just angry.

And frankly, a lot of them seem very well read.

Do they? Some of them seem well read and intelligent some of them are "fuck women, they are all the same you beta mangina bitches will screw you over they are such cunts all they want is alpha dick and they hamster about it while drinking Starbucks with their slut whore friends".

I hope we don't have to be as hypocritical or hypersensitive as the majority of reddit and be more logical and perceptive.

TRP can be very hypocritical and hypersensitive, actually.

raptorrage · 2013-11-26T03:18:14+00:00

Red Pill theory isn't that bad. No one should jump through hoops just for the opportunity to date someone, and if someone isn't as into you as you are to them, drop them.

But when they post articles about why you should date a girl with an eating disorder, recommend snooping through Facebook and texts, and compare women to dogs, they make themselves look very bad.

rapey_raperson · 2013-11-26T02:48:26+00:00

It's really not: TRP is just advising men that being a white knight mangina is not - I repeat, NOT - in their best interests. The majority of men figure this out as they get older anyway, so it's not new stuff. Much of the philosophy can be summarized by "don't buy in to any of the games women play; focus on getting laid."

Unless I'm mistaken, that's pretty much common sense dating practice: it may not be politically correct to state it like that, but if you can cut through all the PC bullshit and posing most people do, that's what you'll find is their bottom line when they are dating.

Trying to win Fair Lady's heart by being a White Knight and "earning" her love - the PC model of romance and love - is just bullshit. All that will get you is a rusty fucking lance and a saddle-sore ass.

Me, I say TRP should keep encouraging men to keep their lance well-polished - and their ass out of the drama saddle.

Horrorbuff2 · 2013-11-26T03:11:35+00:00

It is the male equivalent of radical feminism. Many Red Pillers believe women should not have the right to vote, and see women as mentally inferior to men, the same way Rad-Femmes see men as mentally inferior to women. If Rad-Femmes want a Matriarchy, Red Pillers want a Patriarchy. MRA's should learn from the mistakes of feminism, and rather than just being indifferent to a fringe yet very loud minority, completely make it clear, that the MRM does not condone or support The Red Pill, Return Of Kings or any extremists like them.

The MRM should be about equality and humanism, and is dedicated(from what I have seen) to ending awful gender roles. TRP is all about gender roles and traditionalism and is a direct threat to the MRM.

To give an example, take a look at this threaD:

http://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/1rfic9/why_women_still_need_husbands/

Now look at those upvoted comments.

"Because they're fucking detestable, unappreciative, self-entitled, lacking femininity, unskilled, obnoxious... western women (mainly women of the anglosphere) are the fucking joke of the world followed closely by the feminist bitches in western europe and Scandinavia (at least they are better educated than anglosphere women though), as an Englishman the few times I have met an English woman of quality she has been incredibly old or she's non-English and from Eastern Europe/Southeast Asia.

These mother tongue English speaking bitches need to fucking up their game and get to work on that SMV instead of being the weak entitled little princesses that they are, their sisters abroad are showing them the fuck up. Why the fuck would I settle for an English/American/Australian/Canadian woman? No fucking way ladies, you're inferior, your application for the position of wife is being fucking outsourced. Enjoy the cats.

PS: I'm 23."

"No matter how strong and independent a woman claims to be, she will always want marriage. All bitches want marriage. When people get married, they do so for starting a family. Everyone expects the new husband and wife to start a family, that was the purpose of marriage, to raise children in a stable environment.

That ideal is no longer. Now marriage has been declining due to "feel good" views that marriage "is about love" and a new hostile environment against one's finances. We now have "childless" bitches wanting to get married. For what? Because bitches want marriage. There's something ideal about a marriage that completes a bitch. It brings status to her from society. Just look at Jennifer Anniston. She's pretty, accomplished, but she's still looking for a man to get married to.

Why do childless bitches want to participate in an institution that is primarily aimed at rearing children? The answer makes sense when you consider that all bitches want in life is status -- validation from society. The fear of living a life of spinsterhood is also a good motivation to get hitched. They'll need a partner when they get old to validate them because no one else will then.

Status -> validation makes a bitch content. Understand this and you will be successful in every single interaction with women."

Now imagine a rad-femme wrote that, and replaced "Bitch" with "Dick", and imagine how you would feel? They use vast generalisations that are viciously misogynistic, the same way rad-femmes uses vast generalisations that are viciously misandric.

They are hurting the MRM, because it's too easy for a feminist to say we are all like that, and why is it so easy to do that? Simple. Because we are indifferent to them. End the indifference and make it clear that they are not us, and they do not speak for us.

I_am_Norwegian · 2013-11-26T03:04:26+00:00

Thanks for the really insightful comment. I completely agree, I've seen /r/TheRedPill do a lot of good for a lot of people. I've given up on trying to defend the subreddit though. They write to me like I'm trying to convince them of Nazism every time.

sens2t2vethug · 2013-11-26T02:21:44+00:00

3 - None of what they're saying is all that offensive or radical if you flip the genders. Go to any major bookstore chain, like Barnes and Nobles. Check out the "Relationships" section. Over 90% of the books will be targetted towards women, and the vast majority will have demeaning labels and stereotypes of men. A lot of them will outright tell you how to "manipulate" men and not even be shy about the terminology. "Why?" Because it makes it easier for a lot of women to think that way and deal with the men in their lives. No one ever gives a shit about that. We don't get all hypersensitive and demand all these books be pulled from the market, all these sites being pulled from the internet, all the cable networks boycotted, etc. It's rather hypocritical to be complaining about a small corner of the internet where a lot of men go to vent or share experiences.

Yeah that's all true but I think a better response than being demeaning ourselves would be to point out the manipulative and insulting nature of the books aimed at women, and to show the kind of harms they can cause in society.

Sometimes, the fluff actually has a purpose. E.g. deliberately demeaning women and making them sound helpless to their biology... in order to put more responsibility on the man himself. "Oh it's not her fault. She can't help herself. It's up to YOU to change your pathetic beta behaviour." This is the same tactic used in many women's self-help books that I've seen.

Yes but calling insecure guys "pathetic betas" so that they change their behaviour is not very wise imho. How many professional counselors adopt that technique of helping people gain confidence and assertiveness?

And the derogatory attitudes and simplistic generalisations about women aren't going to help men in the long run either, imho. There are some good things about TRP but also some bad things.

tallwheel · 2013-11-26T02:30:17+00:00

subreddits dedicated to beating women

I can't believe /r/beatingwomen still exists. That subreddit should have been deleted a long time ago. It is a clear attempt to make MRA's look bad. Worst of all, there are actually a lot of people who think it is real and used by MRA's and similar-minded people.

sillymod · 2013-11-26T04:29:14+00:00

TRP topics belong in TRP. This is not the place for TRP.

rightsbot · 2013-11-26T01:32:17+00:00

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2013-11-26T06:00:03+00:00

misogynists confirmed

bunker_man · 2013-11-26T02:17:04+00:00

Yes it is. It's only "not that bad" relative to the fact that the rest of Reddit has people that bad anyways, they just veil it slightly more.

guywithaccount · 2013-11-26T01:39:57+00:00

Yes it is.

Title	TheRedPill is not that bad
Author	fiat_lux_
Upvotes	6
Comments	43
Date	November 26, 2013 1:31 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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