Was I wrong about feminism?

EricAllonde · 2020-07-07T00:24:12+00:00

Your description of feminism and feminists sounds accurate to me.

However, it doesn't sound like you are really a feminist.

You want women to have free choices, even if they choose to stay home and raise kids.
You see men & women as equals.
You don't feel personally oppressed because you are a woman.
You've noticed that feminists spout a lot of hatred against men and you don't think men should have to bear that.

All of those views are anti-feminist perspectives. You don't sound like a feminist at all to me.

mgtowolf · 2020-07-07T00:19:17+00:00

Feminism was always man-hate. First wave, ~~women~~ feminists were fighting for a women's right men didn't even have, the right to vote, out of one side of their mouth. Out the other side of their mouth they were participating in the white feather campaign, meant to shame men into joining up in the war and go kill and die to keep them safe.

Michael3227 · 2020-07-07T00:20:30+00:00

Sadly this is exactly what feminism is. The advancement of women at any means necessary, including automatically believing all allegations.

A women has to say 3 words and a mans life is ruined. “He raped me” or “he hit me”

How many feminists do you see actively advocating for men and against issues of men?

LuckyKiwi2 · 2020-07-07T00:41:26+00:00

Feminism is about advantages for women... The first thing they did? Secure the right to control the Us’s decisions without the responsibility part... Have you seen any feminists arguing that women should be in the draft??

KDulius · 2020-07-07T00:20:40+00:00

Feminism does what a lot of effective movements/cults do; they lure you in with a wedge issue that sounds totally reasonable on the face of it (womens rights) and then uses your membership to push for insane reforms that very few people actually agree with if you told them up front what those would be and the impacts it would have on others.

Janice Fiamengo and Karen Straughen (girlwriteswhat) have come done some of the best work in rebutting feminist narratives, as has Cassie Jayes 'The Red Pill' and I suggest you look at them.

Hannah Wallen has also produced some great stuff detailing how bad feminist lobbying has broken the legal system (she detailed how a friend of hers was abused by the legal system that is set up to believe women no matter what; she called it Seven years in hell on her blog

GalileosTele · 2020-07-07T00:38:16+00:00

Yup. It has. You just have to read the feminist literature to see. Being about equality is a marketing ploy, as is convincing you that without it, all men would hate you. Over the 15 years I've spent in academia, I've watched professors aggressively convince female students that the men are out to destroy them and that they must stand together to overcome.

How feminist groups coerce young women into joining the sisterhood

NotherThrowaway284 · 2020-07-07T00:55:59+00:00

A person will not see what they are unwilling to look at.
Feminists (today) are ideologically unwilling to look at the harm they have done.
(This one is easy to finish.)

ArthurDent4ever · 2020-07-07T03:03:44+00:00

Congratulations 🎉🎊 your an egalitarian, not a feminist.

defiantnd · 2020-07-07T05:06:13+00:00

I think all of us stories related to this. The problem is that when guys share them, they're met with humiliation instead of being supported.

I was harassed multiple times at work by a female employee, like to the point where I refused to use the elevator because she would jump on to try to make me feel uncomfortable. My office was on the 8th floor and I would walk stairs that far multiple times a day to avoid her. I was young (22 years old), and when I complained to the HR person she literally told me that young guys can't be harassed by women and absolutely humiliated me. So I just avoided her as much as I could to cope with it.

Many years later, a very outspoken feminist at the same office outwardly admitted that she refused to hire any men in her department because they "weren't good at math". The mind blowing thing is that she was a mother with 3 boys....

One day at the office, 5-6 women, including her, were sitting in the kitchen talking in graphic detail about their experience with childbirth. Then it turned into various women's health issues, but not using work appropriate language whatsoever. It wasn't just talking about basic medical stuff. It was graphic. I tuned it out. The guy in the office next to mine, who was much much younger (just out of college) literally was blushing and I could tell that he was unbelievably uncomfortable hearing that conversation. I politely asked the group if they would change the subject to something more work appropriate, and was absolutely blasted about being a woman hating bigot and they had every right to talk about their ladyparts in front of whoever they pleased (not kidding - but they didn't use "ladyparts"). I complained to HR (same person as before), was humiliated again.

So, next day, I recruited my next door male coworker, and got 2 others from another office on a video conference, and we decided to have a very graphic discussion about circumcision and prostate exams (lol, that's all we could come up with). After a few key words were said to get some attention, my feminist coworker proceeds to come over and complain to me about talking about work inappropriate things. It happened to be Movember (men's health month if you're not familiar), several of us were participating in. Not only was I (and my coworkers) berated for talking about men's health issues that our company had even mentioned about us participating in (and fully supporting - which was a total joke), she filed a complaint with HR and I was written up as the "ring leader for creating a hostile work environment". I told them that I literally did this on purpose to prove that the policies were not being enforced equally, and again, was humiliated by HR. I had been at the company for over 15 years. The company was in transition (merger), and I didn't have quite as many allies in management as I had in the past, so I basically had to shut my mouth and let the women in the office do whatever they wanted just to keep my job.

Later I found out that several of the other women there also felt very uncomfortable being in some of those conversations with her. But they just went along because they felt like they couldn't say anything either.

I don't think these stories are that unusual, which is absolutely horrible.

Dnile1000BC · 2020-07-07T04:41:16+00:00

Feminist don't want equal rights, they want special rights. Feminism's basic tenant is "women are oppressed and men are oppressors". Not only is this a lie it is also blatently man hating. I don't know how you can spin that any differently no matter what kind of word salad you use.

If you don't believe in any of that then maybe you're not a feminist.

JustJamie- · 2020-07-07T06:49:54+00:00

I was banned from 2 feminist reddit groups. THEY decided I was not a feminist because I had my own opinion that did not completely align with theirs. Do they want to empower women or just the women who think like them.

iainmf · 2020-07-07T08:02:40+00:00

I think you should ask yourself a practical question. "Do I want to be associated with these man-haters?"

Technically many people here are 'liberal feminists', which is basically what you described in your second paragraph. However, like many others, I don't want to call myself a feminist because that would support the feminist movement, which is mostly not 'liberal feminism', but 'intersectional feminism'.

Intersectional feminism is the idea that society is best described by dominant groups oppressing other groups. A person can be a member of more than one oppressed group, and that is called 'intersecting oppression'.

The idea that men are the dominant group and they oppress women has lead to intersectional feminists thinking it is okay to hate men because they believe that it is righteous for oppressed people to hate their oppressors.

Ody_ssey · 2020-07-07T05:10:49+00:00

You are not a real feminist if you are supporting thw truth. She said it correctly.

irrelevantmoniker · 2020-07-07T12:30:41+00:00

Feminism is the project to maximize the social condition of the female sex.

You're not a feminist, you're an egalitarian.

Honestly I think female dating strategy is an honest expression of feminism's goals just in the area of relationships. 'maximum female benefit' with the unstated add on 'no matter how many men or children have to suffer as a result'

Some say that the feminist project is unaware of the harm they cause.

I'm not so sure.

I think they know.

But they don't care as compassion is a commodity reserved for female human beings.

OkLetterhead9 · 2020-07-07T12:58:46+00:00

Do you have 20 min ? watch this video.

Men Share Their Experiences With Sexism: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JsFDvU9h7E&feature=youtu.be

feminism is biased against men, feminists only talk about women's issues while labeling all men as oppressors and ignoring men's issues. today discrimination against women is illegal but discrimination against men is called "positive discrimination" !! why ? why discrimination against you is evil but against me is a good thing just because i'm a man ? how is this fair ? where is the equality in that ?

In 2015, the University of York announced its intention to observe International Men’s Day. A torrent of criticism ensued, including an open letter to the university claiming that such a day “does not combat inequality, but merely amplifies existing, structurally imposed, inequalities”. The university cancelled the plans and affirmed that “the main focus of gender equality work should continue to be on the inequalities faced by women”. In contrast, its observation of International Women’s day a few months earlier was a week long affair with more than 100 events.

True gender equality = women's rights + men's rights.

Pooper69Scooper · 2020-07-07T15:16:15+00:00

It’s more so a tool, that can be used differently, guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

It’s very common to see people use something (especially something that gets met with full angered force such as sexism, racism, and oppression) to place themselves as a victim, because they want more out of life and see it as an easy path to take. This can be influenced from group think mentality. I don’t think I would do any different in their shoes. But ultimately this isn’t trying to be equal in terms of rights, it’s attaching one’s own definition to a term for unruly benefit.

It’s up to you in the end, how you use whatever tool, whatever term. If you want my opinion, it’s best to just distance yourself away from terms that will make people get the wrong idea, and really just say what you believe in specifically, while backing up those claims through your actions

This goes for a lot of labels out there, labels have preconceived notions from all sorts of things, and it’s better to show the world who you truly are

japanese-bo1 · 2020-07-07T23:22:34+00:00

you are not a feminist, which is a good thing because nowadays feminism is much more about hating men

if you want equal rights, then you are closer to a mens rights advocate because as of right now men have much more and generally bigger problems that women such as feminism itself

PunkerWannaBe · 2020-07-07T00:21:09+00:00

The first wave of feminism was about real equality, nowadays is just political left-wing propaganda and misandry. It is sad because this generation is growing with so much hate.

Title	Was I wrong about feminism?
Author	FutureHearted100
Upvotes	35
Comments	26
Date	July 6, 2020 10:03 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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