Why we shouldn't criticize feminists by calling them ugly, fat, saying they don't have boyfriends etc

Maxwell1138 · 2021-08-18T09:54:47+00:00

If you believe in equality you shouldn't call yourself a feminist. Because the feminists that don't believe in equality also call themselves feminists. If you want to distinguish yourself from them you should use a different title. Whenever you call yourself a feminist and try to preach an equality standpoint or otherwise try to put forth an egalitarian or non-confrontational message you only give them more power and influence to push their messages of hate and segregation.

You are most aptly described as an egalitarian based on your statements here.

MathematicianNo4277 · 2021-08-18T12:45:26+00:00

So many people telling you what you are or aren't. Sorry.

I tend to agree with you, but also not. Movements who want to be heard cannot remain polite all the time.

I heard Karen Straughan say in an interview that the most extreme among MRAs have a function: putting us on the agenda. The polite articulate ones can come in and make reasonable points once the issue is spoken about, but will be ignored or even villified as "extremists" without actual radicals for contrast. She's right.

The gay/queer movement, which has been incredibly successful at bringing social and political change in a short time, has lessons to give. The people shown on TV at Pride were the drag queens and the half naked men in leather. Then the more palatable activists were interviewed about the actual issues.

On the other hand, our success was also linked to our "extreme but in a fun way" attitude. We never insulted or attacked (at least not before the rise of the SJW in the Anglo Saxon world, when the work was already done).

I don't like insults and bullying. I always believed in "when they go low, we go high", but I also know people like us are good at making a point, but not at catching the attention of the public.

I wish there was a option for radicalism without hate in the men's rights movement, or in feminism for that matter.

JTheberge83 · 2021-08-18T10:19:39+00:00

Oof

Someone still thinks the word "feminist" means equal rights between men and women?

LastRounder · 2021-08-18T12:26:16+00:00

So I'm a feminist (In that I believe men and women are equal and both need rights) and female men's advocate

You are not a feminist, you are egalitarian. They are quite anti-feminist, because modern feminists are...well, you know. Aggressive, hypocritical and overall not the people you would like to be associated with. Oh, and they want, mostly privilege for themselves in expense of others. That is an opposite of equality, actually.

1) Insulting the opponent's appearance or personal character instead of discussing their argument is an example of the ad hominem fallacy.

In any other case, I'd say that it is bad to do so. But feminists exploited ad-hominem so often, that they deserve to be subject of ad-hominem themselfs.

It is a case of lex talionis in action. And dura lex sed lex, as you may know.

Honestly, calling them femcells or not calling them femcells does not matter for their attitude (they don't care about anybody else aside from self, than why should I care to not to harm their feelings?) because only way to stop them is to erode their social acceptance. And all means are good for this.

Bobwinsit · 2021-08-18T11:12:39+00:00

The women’s rights crowd is openly misandrist. No need to walk on eggshells for them. That’s what they want.

EmirikolWoker · 2021-08-18T09:53:08+00:00

How prevalent is the attitude you're calling out? The link you've provided is to a post with links to statistics and research with 90+ comments, not anything specific.

Personally, my criticism of feminism is that all forms of feminism are based on Patriarchy conjecture, which has some pretty awful implications when you examine what needs to be true for it to be valid. As such, even the "just about equality" people are coming at it from a place of bigotry.

lightning_palm · 2021-08-20T19:39:57+00:00

I was browsing Chloe Roma's videos. If you don't who she is, she is a MRA on TikTok and YouTube. She's slightly famous, so I was watching her. Sometimes she has good points, but alot of the time she insults the feminists personal appearance or relationship status

She gives me very odd vibes. Makes money off of her videos on both her Patreon (link removed) and her own shop (link removed) (domain name is nodiqk.com). Not that that is wrong per se, but the types of things she sells (e.g. No DIQK Hoodies) make her seem sketchy.

we should fight this by carefully explaining why we disagree with some feminists rather than saying "haha feminists get no diqk"

Agreed.

So I'm a feminist

If every feminist was like you, I'd be 100% on board with feminism. But your version of feminism really doesn't reflect the reality of 99.99% of the other feminists.

Keep-_-Out · 2021-08-18T09:51:42+00:00

The ad hominem fallacy is being used by both “parties”, and I don’t think it will ever end.

PARACHUTING_MOOSE · 2021-08-18T14:01:01+00:00

Yeah, them being ugly is not relevant.

Comfortable_Ad_9154 · 2021-08-18T14:37:09+00:00

But you think generalizing about men is ok?

This is my problem with some feminists, they have zero problem generalizing about men and contributing to an anti male bias. But generalizing is wrong when done to other groups, I'm sorry the hypocrisy pisses me off.

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TikiBoyYt · 2021-08-18T10:49:19+00:00

Look i see the point that is being made here and ik its tough when ppl say this stuff but idk what it is but the only ppl whp say this stuff to each other ARE WOMEN, the amount of girls that attack each other and rip each other down to shreads is beyond me (and ik ur gonna come back with a response like all ppl do that and im not discrediting that we all do its in our human nature), but this mens right subreddit so dont get upset with what im saying or anyone else (Btw u called urself a feminist pls read ur first few lines again)

Title	Why we shouldn't criticize feminists by calling them ugly, fat, saying they don't have boyfriends etc
Author	JackieNaper1907
Upvotes	8
Comments	24
Date	August 18, 2021 9:45 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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