The Purple pill

_wingnut_ · 2014-08-02T20:40:04+00:00

But they ARE damaged, to men looking for wife material.

rredfox · 2014-08-02T20:53:39+00:00

TRP has some good self-improvement tips; the focus on individualism in the philosophy is positive; I do think they're right about some things in regards to women, for example a large number of them are attracted to men with dominant personalities; men and women are different and we often ignore that because it's politically incorrect to say so; there are some men who have more "beta" characteristics than others and there are others who have more "alpha" characteristics.

On the TBP side, TRP is way too extreme and jumps to conclusions backed up only by confirmation bias and anecdotes constantly; men and women may be different but neither is superior to the other, we need both to have a successful society; there is nothing wrong with women having a career and many are more suited to that path than the old fashioned housewife role; there is nothing wrong with women sleeping around, just as there's nothing wrong with a man doing the same, and the justifications TRP uses to make this double standard are silly; TRP talks too often about things as if they're specific to women even though men do the same shit (e.g. hamstering); the idea of a marketplace cannot be used to sufficiently model human interaction.

PigsNowFly · 2014-08-02T22:15:16+00:00

You know you'd be surprised at what the folks over in RedPillWomen believe. It's essentially the same thing as you, except for the part of women who sleep around being damaged equally to the men who do. I don't know, it seems like the people on this sub take the sometimes uncharacteristic responses of heavy TRP posters and take that as gospel when it isn't. The guy and girl flavored versions we see are pretty different and I think the milder (female) one is the one we should take in to account more often, seeing as the main TRP sub is often emotionally damaged men who come there for a release (see: /r/atheism).

Jacksambuck · 2014-08-02T21:29:50+00:00

Agree with

RP: Feminism is shit. Mainstream dating advice doesn't work for men, even demonizes and guilt-trips them. The dating script, typical relationship counseling, marriage, etc, is biased in favour of women. Misogyny is blown out of proportion. There's nothing wrong with trying to sleep with women. There's also nothing wrong with sleeping with drunk women.

There are major biological differences between men and women. Acting like a doormat leaves you gf- and dateless. Acting like a minor asshole is an easy way to lose your inhibitions and doesn't hurt when picking up women.

BP: RPers are often bitter and mean. Getting sex is not the most important thing in the world. TRP theories are mostly pseudo-scientific. Having a first mate pet-wife is no fun and too much work. Sluts are okay.

Women in general are not particularly irrational. Spousal rape is a thing, consent shouldn't be assumed, women should vote.

Skratt · 2014-08-02T18:05:53+00:00

Calling the Purples in! Props to you, fam!

Red Pill: [Some] women are attracted to the alpha persona. Being soft and letting people walk over you is seen as unattractive. Women get away with a lot of stuff, I agree with that. Men and women are typically stronger in different areas. Aaand...that's it for now.

Blue Pill: I don't believe in TBP as a theory, it just makes fun of/opposes TRP. But I'll try...um. All women are not inferior to men and I don't believe having a job is going to make me dump my man in the trash. By inferior, I mean we aren't...intellectually challenged, and shouldn't be allowed to vote and stuff. I see that thrown around on TRP. Common sense is common sense. Um...TRP is fun to make fun of. xD

Purple Pill: TRP is full of jackasses and TBP is full of naïve and slightly arrogant boys, but both sides have some rational people and cutie pies.

pickup_sticks · 2014-08-02T22:39:11+00:00

Just wanted to say this is a great topic.

Wolfsouls · 2014-08-03T05:22:03+00:00

Red pill: Attractive young women are not held accountable for their actions, but they're also assumed to be incompetent. Women are generally attracted to strong, capable, masculine men. A mix of both alpha and beta traits are needed for a long term relationship. Women are hypergamous and generally seek to reproduce with the best they can get. Most males are invisible sexually to a lot of women because they're not good enough.

Blue pill: Women were oppressed for most of history and have only recently acquired equality. Women who sleep around ARE NOT damaged and can make great wives. Thankfully there are plenty of men secure/successful enough in their sexuality to not to care about whether the woman they want to be with was once a "slut". Rape is bad and primarily affects women.

Xeusi · 2014-08-05T05:54:12+00:00

I agree with most of your base premise. However I think sex outside of marriage is extremely damaging for the family unit, the future relationship, and any innocent children/victims along that line. I believe that to be an important reason for people to wait. I do think both men and women are overly sexualized, and yes society isn't doing enough to hold both parties accountable for their actions.

The age of personal responsibility as a whole seems to be being lost. I mostly agree with basically everything you said in redpill part of your post, but I also think that women should also within reason try to prevent rape through avoidance of those situations like if it is dark out...and you MUST be out...you should have another person with you or let someone know and use networking to try to avoid rape. It isn't their fault that they are desired, but a partial result of the over hype of sex in society as a whole.

Men tend to look more unrealistically at what they want and honestly don't realize what they want until it's in front of them. Do some guys make judgements solely based on physical appearances: yes, but being superficial too much I would argue they are as superficial as women are with guys to be fair. THAT might be a hard pill for some women to swallow.

Women have equality these days in the workplace, and from a business perspective if they on average get paid less, is that taking into account months of decreased work productivity, time off for a pregnancy and skill levels of the same amount? That would be an interesting study to see if they compared results of the same women and men doing the same jobs and pay grades. If it isn't equal results an employer shouldn't have to pay more. That's just robbing a business. I will also argue though that if the woman is outperforming the man and is being paid less though that the woman should be paid more. Pay should be based on RESULTS and Position in companies regardless of gender. That's where feminists kind of annoy me.

fizolof · 2014-08-02T22:23:31+00:00

yes women were "oppressed" for most of history (but we aren't now).

That depends. I heard that there's for example a bias against women in science, where women's papers get judged more harshly than men's. So there are probably some disadvantages for women still.

Women who want to sleep around aren't "damaged" anymore than a man who sleeps around is.

That's unacceptable. It comes out of the belief in the mythical "symmetry" between sexes. Kill it with fire.

(Many but not all) men are often very superficial when it comes to the traits they desire in women

So what? I don't think anyone in TRP would deny this. Isn't it TBP which promotes the idea that relationships are about "love", not about superficial features?

Rape is bad and primary affects women.

I think most TRPers would agree.

pickup_sticks · 2014-08-02T22:29:23+00:00

I pretty much agree with everything OP said. On this one:

women aren't held accountable for their actions and dont often face consequences

I think that changes quickly as women age. No, they don't "hit the wall," I mean that I've observed a huge difference in maturity level (probably because of a lot of hard knocks) between a 21 year old and a 27 year old. They're still more emotional men, but seriously pursuing a career teaches women of all attractiveness level teaches that actions have consequences.

squishles · 2014-08-03T14:53:01+00:00

I'm purple enough to be really flexible in how this runs.

You're basically trying to function as you're own beta provider. Which let's you keep an alpha who might not be good at that aspect around longer term. The worry for a guy in that position would be hypergamy. Really hard to keep you tingling as a homemaker, and if he has a job he needs to be doing something that would impress you. The number of guys who can do that is small, and they have easier options; not to say you couldn't still get one. You're actually a safer option in a way; even if you do divorce, little/no alimony and better shot the kids will be split 50/50, if he's a homemaker he might even get them 100% if he's lucky.

Used to do martial arts, it's basically the lifestyle of every one those guys. They run a martial arts studio sometimes at a loss their wife covers.(you want that, keeps them loyal, the alternative is quit and remain glued to him 24/7, which I guess isn't that bad) Their wife comes home from work to see: fit, entrepreneurial, sweating working out, giving commands to a group of 20-30 people who pay for the privilege of it, other women giving preselection, and they're all really good with children. That combination makes ovaries explode. I imagine other things that work under the same model gym's/yoga instructors/ect do the same thing.

Work with one woman, her husband retired from being an accountant to become a farmer, to get her working again; he's basically working that muscly farm boy fetish. She complains about it, but watch her actions and she's willing to do a lot to keep that lifestyle going.

Title	The Purple pill
Author	rredfox
Upvotes	8
Comments	102
Date	August 2, 2014 5:41 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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