"Wokeness" aside, neither side oughta be doing this but this was still funny.

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No, first link says there is a hormone cycle but then says it's not the exact same as with women - which is not actually relevant. Most womens cycles aren't even the exact same, shifting with age (just as mens do) and based on a variety of genetic and environmental factors, regardless of broad generalized similarities. Women just have a really easy metric for tracking the matter and a longer cycle length.

What is the hormonal process related to menstruation?

That's right: A CYCLICAL HORMONE PROCESS

The frequency shouldn't preclude men getting due consideration, particularly in relation to the behavioural impacts of those hormonal shifts - an issue where women are regularly 'accommodated' and men are consistently ignored if not attacked for trying to raise it as an issue.

This willful choice to ignore the issue is based in the classic toxicity that is "Man up and deal with it".

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So if a women is infertile or post-menopausal, they shouldn't have a say in abortion?

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Ok, and what if they don't have a pregnant partner? Do they have a say in abortion legislation?

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Because, according to these people, gender =\= sex. Sex is biological, gender is performative.

I still think what they describe as gender is more about personality, and they're just manipulating language as a means to give themselves special privileges and deconstruct the current paradigm of the western world. But if we start from the assumption I laid out in the first paragraph, then yes, men can have periods. But only men who are actually biological women acting as men.

As a former therapist, I feel confident saying that this is all a convoluted collection of bullshit that is perpetuated by three groups: enablers who aren't really paying attention, the mentally unwell, and those who use compassion to amass power. I could write a book on the complexities of how and why each of those groups participates in this culture, so I won't elaborate more. But either way you slice it, it's mostly bullcrap.

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So you aren't aware that transitioning is recognised as the best treatment for gender dysphoria by major health organizations? If you don't know that it really speaks to how much authority you actually have on this subject.

Edit: No reply? I'll keep going then. I think what we really need to to discuss is why you are either so evil or so willfully ignorant that you hate trans people this much. We need to figure out why you act so pompous and all-knowing despite being so clearly uneducated on the topic you're debating. You don't even know what gender is compared to other forms of identity, you don't know that transgenderism stems from gender dysphoria and the need to treat it, you call trans people insane, you don't know that this chromosome argument has been debunked for years, you resort to trolling when people genuinely try to debate or educate you, and yet you claim to be an expert on this subject. Why? Do you just want people to get mad at you so you can chuckle because you pwned the libtards? Is the outrage of an already suffering group of people funny to you? Why are you so pathetic, u/AbovePosterLies ?

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I know of the same facts and statistics cited from the same resources that are copy and pasted ad nauseam into every discussion about gender dysphoria, and the wonderful effects of cutting off sex organs. Odd that those suffering from gender dysphoria still commit suicide in record numbers after receiving "treatment". Perhaps it's time to stop coddling the delusional and start telling them that the world is a harsh place, and simply using your overactive imagination to reinvent yourself in an effort to forget how utterly pathetic you are isn't a cure to a mental disorder. Do I care if you identify as something other than a male or female? No, I do not. Nothing anyone does bothers me until it infringes on my unalienable right to pursue happiness. We will never see eye to eye and I am not upset about that.

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I am not afraid of transvestites, not sure why you're trying to diagnose me with phobias. I don't go out of my way to say anything to people I don't know. Suicides are at a similar rate before and after treatment. People with gender dysphoria have a higher rate of suicide than the general populace, those stats speak for themselves. We'll never see eye to eye because anyone you disagree with gets a label, they're abusing you with their...beliefs! Sorry cupcake, the world isn't peace and rainbows no matter how much the internet tells you it should be. It's been fun chatting with you (truly, me and my employees have been loving your canned responses), but I gotta go eat dinner with my heteronormative, gender binary family now. Maybe play some scrabble and talk about our days. Buh-bye now cupcake.

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they are not men. they are transgendered men.

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I’m not gonna bother formatting this comment because I doubt you’re actually interested in discussion but for anybody else that might see this I apologize in advance

It'S a BiOloGiCaL fAcT tHaT tHeRe ArE oNly 2 sExeS. The brain is sexually dimorphic. Men and women literally have different brains. This differentiation starts in the womb. It is caused by hormones. Ever hear of murphys law? Chromosomes are like blueprints. Shit goes wrong in nature, human development can get fucked up. XX is supposed to be the female path and XY is supposed to be the male path. Everyone starts off on the same path, that’s why men have nipples. The Y chromosome doesn’t actually do much. It pretty much just signals a flood of testosterone to occur and diverts the fetus down the male path. Which path the brain and gonads go down is all set by hormones. The brain and the gonads develop at different times, which is why mismatches can occur. Too much testosterone exposure during brain development in the womb can make an XX individual develop a male brain gender. Lack of testosterone exposure during brain development in the womb can make an XY individual develop a female brain gender. There has been a ton of studies on this. There are biological factors. The Wikipedia page is a good start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality#Biological_factors This paper represents the first comprehensive review of the scientific evidence that gender identity is a biological phenomenon. http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/840538 There are numerous studies that show there is a neurological basis of gender identity, which forms during gestation and does not always match the rest of one's anatomy. This wikipedia article is a good place to start reading. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causes_of_transsexuality#Brain_structure TrAnSiTiOn DoEsN't HeLp. It's a myth that the suicide rate is still extremely high for trans people who have transitioned. You should know that this is from a purposely misrepresented study and spread by an anti LGBT hate group. Unfortunately these lies were picked up and spread by the media. The infamous 40% statistic is specifically referring to lifetime risk, without regards to whether the patient attempted suicide before or after transition. When looking at studies that do distinguish between suicide attempts before vs. after transition, we see that nearly all of these attempts happen before. After transition, the rate of suicide attempts drops to around the national average. This is very literally life saving medical treatment. Transition vastly reduces suicide risk. The farther along in transition a trans person is, the lower the suicide risk becomes. After transition, and when spared discrimination and abuse, the rate of suicide attempts among trans people people are about the same as the national average. The ability to transition, along with family and social acceptance, are the largest factors reducing suicide risk among trans people. There are a lot of studies showing that transition improves mental health and quality of life while reducing dysphoria. Not to mention this 2010 meta-analysis of 28 different studies, which found that transition is extremely effective at reducing dysphoria and improving quality of life. The claim that transition does not dramatically reduce suicide risk is a deliberately dishonest misrepresentation of this study, popularized by Paul McHugh, a religious extremist and leading member of an anti-gay and anti-trans hate group, who presents himself as a reputable source but publishes work without peer review. His claim to fame is having shut down the Johns Hopkins trans health program in the 70's, which he did not based on medical evidence but on his personal ideological opposition to transition. Johns Hopkins has resumed offering transition related medical care, including reconstructive surgery, and their faculty are finally disavowing him for his irresponsible and ideologically motivated misrepresentation of the current science of sex and gender. That study's lead author Dr. Dhejne had emphatically denounced McHugh and his misuse of her work. Her study found only that trans patients who transitioned prior to 1989 had a somewhat higher risk of suicide attempts as compared to the general public. These rates were still far lower than the rates of suicide attempts among trans people prior to transition, and Dr. Dhejne specifically identified the higher rates of abuse abuse and discrimination trans people suffered 27+ years ago as the source of greater risk of suicide attempts among this population. Dr. Dhejne's study found no difference in rates of suicide attempts between trans people who transitioned after 1989, and the general public. This overwhelming evidence for the efficacy and necessity of transition, is why it is the only treatment for dysphoria recommended and recognized as an effective by all major US and world medical and psychological authorities. • Here is the American Psychiatric Association's policy statement regarding the necessity and efficacy of transition as the appropriate treatment for gender dysphoria. More information from the APA here • Here is a resolution from the American Medical Association on the efficacy and necessity of transition as appropriate treatment for gender dysphoria, and call for an end to insurance companies categorically excluding transition-related care from coverage. • Here is the policy statement from the American College of Physicians • Here are the guidelines from the American Academy of Pediatrics • Here is the resolution from the American Academy of Family Physicians • Here are the treatment guidelines from the Royal College of Psychiatrists • Here are guidelines from the NHS. More from the NHS here. tRaNs PeOpLe ShOuLdN't TrAnSiTioN tHeY sHoUlD gEt MeNtAl HeLp InStEaD. Some have a lot of dysphoria, others a little. Many after finding support and access to medical care find the dysphoria lessens greatly. Many after they reached their transition goals don't even feel like it's an issue anymore. The biggest factor is how much distress the dysphoria causes. How you respond to dysphoria is the indicator of mental stability or lack of. If depression or anxiety or profound dysfunction arises in conjunction with the gender identity, then it is treated, with evidence-based care. Seeing a psychiatrist and other mental health professionals is part of the transition process. You are constantly being evaluated and offered services as needed. You have to meet with psychologists and all surgeons require it. You need to get letters of recommendation from mental health professionals and the doctors that have been overseeing your transition. Here is a surgeon and she herself is trans. She still makes you get multiple letters of recommendation from doctors and shrinks that are overseeing your transition. http://www.drchristinemcginn.com/services/srs/ If you are against transition, do you think everything listed in the The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders shouldn't be treated with evidence based care or just Gender Dysphoria? Gender Dysphoria has a known and effective treatment and that's transitioning. It's the only known effective treatment with a high success rate. Which is why every major medical association agrees recognizes the efficacy, benefit and medical necessity of gender transition treatments for appropriately evaluated individuals and calls upon public and private insurers to cover these medically necessary treatments. The existence of trans people has recently become a hot issue but trans people have always existed. There are many decades of research behind the current standards of care. There is a very long history of conversion therapy and denying gender affirming care. There is a very long history of that not working.

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Women will absolutely win a gross out contest, do not test them or you will regret it.

They can piss all over the place like a man can, the only thing we have on women in that regard is precision, which doesn't matter when making a mess on purpose.

They can shit all over the place exactly like a man can, so that's a wash.

It's true that we can jizz all over the place, but they can turn that into a person, eventually doubling their effective ability to produce shit and piss. And if they weaponize babyshit, that is game over.

And they can do so much more. I'm not even sure what all messes they can make with their bodies.

I have three daughters and they had their own bathroom they shared and in their teenage slob phase...I don't even know how to describe some of the messes.

I've seen things.

When you see a crazy lady making a mess on purpose, deal with that however it needs to be resolved but don't start a competition, you will be crushed and whoever has to clean up will get ptsd

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The irony of you posting to a discussion forum and putting down people using it for its intended purpose.

Also:

It irony of you

If you're going to try to be edgy, at least proofread your shit.

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Title	"Wokeness" aside, neither side oughta be doing this but this was still funny.
Author	daddy_big_smoke
Upvotes	5580
Comments	426
Date	June 26, 2020 4:52 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/pussypassdenied/comments/hgb8yi/wokeness_aside_neither_side_oughta_be_doing_this/
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