I'm very confused.

sparkledragon45 · 2022-04-03T10:42:07+00:00

Female red pill and male red pills are different. They are both dating strategies, but serve different purposes. A lot of the advice given here is for women to get through the entire dating process and weed out the "fuck boys/red pilled men" via vetting. Contrary to what you may think, a lot of the advice here actually suggests for women to avoid dating a red pilled man due to those things you read.

The game for red pilled men is for women to give up sex and the goal for red pilled women is to get a worthy man to give her commitment.

wannaberunner131 · 2022-04-03T15:45:01+00:00

The purpose of RPW is to find a high quality man that exhibits red pill and blue pill traits. You want someone with a mix, because you need a leader but a leader that is committed to you and the relationship. RPW helps you use your feminine energy to help the relationship instead of sabotage it.

2022-04-03T10:36:27+00:00

Maybe this post will clear things up for you.

pieorstrudel5 · 2022-04-03T14:57:41+00:00

Until you have built up your confidence, don't go over there. We can help you find a HVM right here. Over there, It's just a bunch of 18-25 year old lost boys whose bark is bigger than their bite. Eventually, if they put in the work, they'll be High Value one day.

Just remember.... People are more likely to write about what goes wrong than what goes right. So the loudest voices in the male space tend to be men who have had truly awful experiences with women and are excited to be told that being promiscuous is just his biological desire to protect his dna.

Once saw some conversation about how women with high body counts are more likely to get divorced. And I absolutely agree. But because RP loves to slut shame women but they sure like to be sluts themselves, I asked myself "And what did the statistics say about men with high body counts?" Of course the RP post had no such statistics about men because that doesn't fit their narrative. A quick google search and I found quite a few respectable sources that basically say.... The sluttier you are... Man or woman.... More likely you'll get divorced. I, as a HVW,don't want a slutty man just as much as a HVM man doesn't want a slutty woman. But if someone wants to plow through partners, by all means - that is their prerogative.

All that to say.... It's been said many times. RP is a tool box. Take what you need and leave what you don't. So come to RPW to learn how to be a high value woman and you will find your high value man.

randomf87yte · 2022-04-03T17:25:27+00:00

I think marriage is seen as beta bc the way most devorces work out the women ends up taking a large majority of their wealth and usually in marriage that end this way the man tends to be the majority bread winner. Rpm is basically men looking for ways to increase their chances to attract and be with attractive women. And keep those women from cheating on them. We'res to rpw is finding high vale men meaning men that are seen as attractive and have a high value in society wich usually means being wealthy/ successful. For men an attractive woman that is not a pain to be around is considered high value and those women have lots of options wich can but doesn't mean it will lead to septation/cheating. For women a man that is successful charismatic etc is considered high value. those men also tend to have lots of options wich can but dosent mean it will, lead to septation/cheating why bc both hvm and hvw are desired by corresponding parties. Mind you that's just my take.

boofthegirl · 2022-04-03T10:53:15+00:00

TRP for men is different than that for women.

TRP for men is for men to make relationships what they may want. That might be casual hookups/fwbs (spinning plates), regaining control in LTRs/marriages, sometimes it’s even about straight up shitty behaviour like pickup artists or the fuckwits (“she’s not yours, it’s just your turn”) that endorse abuse, etc.

TRP for women is also about making relationships what they may want. Mostly it is about obtaining security and using male and female dynamics to our advantage. Really, it can even illicit some shitty behaviour in women, too. There’s a lot of judgement towards other men and women who choose another life. Like, we’re no better. That’s the beauty of the 21st century, we get to choose. You don’t have to take 100% of it on board. Lord knows I don’t. Actually, most probably don’t.

Basically, yes there are some garbage men in TRP. Any movement that tells men they might be able to regain some control in their relationships will undoubtably attract some fuckin weird women hating psychos. You just have to ignore them as you would in real life. Bad apples, you know.

Submersiv · 2022-04-04T00:43:46+00:00

I thought the red pill was about finding a high value partner, a man and a woman, and forming a good and quality LTR/marriage.

It is. There are a lot of blackpill/MGTOW losers that pollute the space. Redpill at its core is about awareness and self-improvement in order to handle long term relationships. It warns about marriage because of the way the laws have been corrupted by feminism, but otherwise there's no point to be redpill if you're not after long term relationships with women, since otherwise that's just PUA.

Don't listen to the defeatist morons.

americancoconuts · 2022-04-03T10:41:14+00:00

Seems like these people belong in a MGTOW or casual hookup group. The men who are looking for the women in this group are the opposite. We're looking for men who need women, want to get married, and don't consider a high paying career like a doctor to be beta. I think the "marriage is beta" or MGTOW people are either young and haven't met decent women (which could be their own fault or they just haven't had good luck), or they got married to the wrong person, had a nasty and expensive divorce, and think of marriage as bad for men due to their own experience. Or they see people around them in unhappy marriages and they think "why do I want to be part of that?." So in a way I can understand their criticisms considering the impact the wrong person can have on your life, but if they have this attitude moving forward, they likely won't find the right woman or will stop looking.

Marriage or a relationship definitely sucks if you work all day, come home to obnoxious kids, a crappy home cooked meal (if she isn't good at cooking), a nagging wife who let herself go after the wedding and looks like a different person, and a messy house.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2022-04-03T18:45:42+00:00

I thought the red pill was about finding a high value partner, a man and a woman, and forming a good and quality LTR/marriage.

It is…for women. It can also be for men who are so inclined. But for us TRP is about self-improvement and increasing our sexual options and success. If those goals do not seem congruent, that’s because they aren’t. A lot of guys would be perfectly happy running a soft harem - we need sex like we need air, and the worst thing that can happen to us is to give exclusivity, get dumped and have to start all over. For most guys, that’s a real drag. This it’s ideal for men, in terms of sexual strategy, to keep a few girls on the go, so you’re never caught out with no ready access to sex.

I realize this is probably horrifying to you, but imagine being a guy in the bottom half of the SMP. Even the bottom 80%. You can look forward to a life of struggle. I sometimes think the best thing my mom ever did for me was marry a tall guy. Thank God.

2022-04-03T13:05:16+00:00

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Odd_Fudge_5064 · 2022-04-03T19:36:33+00:00

OP, watch the Ted Talk "Meeting the Enemy" if you want to fill the holes in the reasoning behind the MGTOW/Red-pill ideals..

bobbyM00N · 2022-04-03T12:06:16+00:00

I want a high value man who won't cheat on me and doesn't support hook up culture.Q - Would you be a dutiful wife? Do you have a low bodycount?
Many posts were also about how to get as many women as possible.Q - Just like women want a HVM, men want to fck
I thought the red pill was about finding a high value partner.Q - Red pill is about the truth about intersexual dynamic. Anything branches out of that is not truly "redpill", but appreciation/utilisation of redpill, which, varies across different post/youtuber/platform
men who don't want to work but want to get as many one night stands as possible and are generally against marriage.Q - Contrary to your belief, men need to work extremely hard to get one night stands. Second, give me 1 benefit of marriage, for any 1 benefit, we can list 3 downsides. It's all about risk-reward

Judging from your post, "I want a high value man who....". Among 200words in your post, none of it consists of "how can I improve myself" or "what do HVM want in women". Which signals the selfish nature of it.

I know the language I used here is harsh, but what's the point of naming it "redpill" if we sugarcoat around everything we said

Yamahooooo · 2022-04-03T21:59:36+00:00

Im confused too, its strange over there. Is there a place like redpillwoman for men yet also without the 'wierdness' of RPM? A place for guys who hold traditional values but want a balance of Alpha/beta as defined by this sub?

2022-04-03T22:01:25+00:00

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chrisdidwht · 2022-04-04T05:04:54+00:00

Most of those men are going through a phase. Most of them are good men. They are just very hurt and very angry. If you want to date a Redpill man because you feel you would have the same values then i would recommend someone who is past their rage phase. Also yes there are some men that have given up hope in relationships completely and they dont beleive in marriage either and thats ok.

Title	I'm very confused.
Author	Able_Examination_673
Upvotes	62
Comments	40
Date	April 3, 2022 10:21 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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